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I thoroughly understand you Jerry.
I don't see why you can't understand me, since I'm not speaking a foreign language, but what I am saying is simple enough for a child to understand.
I'm far from a child, and I have reread several of your posts, and all that I can see is that you don't think God's angels visit Earth and miracles stopped happening. Maybe I am wrong, and I mean no aggression. How and why God communicates or interacts with mankind is beyond me. Why did God send an angel to Mary and not just tell her Himself? What is the purpose to the plagues of Egypt? One would have been enough.
 
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It has nothing to do with me, but everything to do with whether Caiaphas understood what he was saying, let alone those who were listening to the words he spoke by the Spirit.

The Scripture doesn’t say one way or the other whether those listening understood what was said by God/Caiaphas; but even Elijah thought he was alone, like Simeon who knew the Christ would come in his lifetime, as well as Anna, and this before John the Baptist began preaching in the wilderness, or before a disciple was ever chosen ...

People are touched in different ways (according to the increase of Christ in them) or where they are at in the journey inwards) when they hear a word spoken from their local church (which 95% of the one's speaking (in lieu of God) have no clue to what their words mean to those who are listening to them), even though this is not by any means held to that ... though the scripture does not delve into this much (in a right out in the open fashion) … a voice comes from heaven , and the only one stated as recognizing whose voice it was is Jesus, even though he said it was for their sakes that it came … and we know the devil snatches the word away, when there is no understanding of the word …

Perception is everything ...

Comparing yourself with others is a carnal attribute … holding one above the other is as well, to the extent that Christ is included in this (for reason of the carnal minds of those the writer was addressing)… we are all one or we are not, there is no middle ground …

The story of Cornelius’s conversion depicts the whole gambit … as far as Peter was concerned (even after a vision (thrice) the gentiles were not in the picture (but thru a vision, a seed was planted), even though the scriptures (OT) state this as fact, and which (again) was known of Simeon, (most likely while Peter was still on his mother’s breast) … Peter's understanding was solidified by God in him with his encounter with a gentile (who was visited by an angel, who was not an apostle/disciple, and a gentile to boot ...) all to which Cornelius was not privy to before the arrival of Peter. This situation spoke to Peter, confirming what he was beginning by the communication of revelation to understand ...

... more then three pages ...

'People are touched in different ways (according to the increase of Christ in them) or where they are at in the journey inwards)

for the sake of typing ,,, i knew i was in a process of coming to something from about the age of six ,,, at a time i believed everyone around me was only there to aid me in this process and they were but robots of a sort to me, of course i had no vocabulary to ex[lain this to myself ... that is until i happened upon you which is interesting because i had no idea what you where saying at first but could see in the way you used words that the mind behind them was speaking to infants in a sense and from a place i had not heard from before ... in this was the first time my mind had been challenged (for a better word) ,,, angels/messengers seeds sown in our garden ... to me come in all forms seen and unseen ....
 
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Jesus and Satan are not brothers, and Jesus didn't give the Sermon on the Mount in South America.
How do you know that Jesus didn't give a Sermon on the Mount in South America.
How do you know that Joseph did not see that, even though you did not?

Another poster was saying he was visited by angels.
Two others are saying this.
There are three of you.

James 5:13-16: "Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working."
You are not going to convince me that God doesn’t still heal. It happened to me and people dear to me. I have known doctors who have seen it. I’m not talking about some silly televangelist. It is rare and usually private and quiet. Sometimes God does miracles-- when He chooses and not always when we choose.
I am not going to try to show you that this is spiritual sickness, if you read that and believe it refers to physical sickness.

I never wrote that God killed them. God knows the time of death for all creatures. I was just thankful it came when it did. You are reading into what I wrote.
Do you also believe that every living thing is predestined to die at a particular time?
Why pray for someone to recover then?

I don't know what you are play at here, but common sense makes it obvious.
I don't understand your response. Commonsense makes what obvious?
If you did not follow your moms instructions, you are not using commonsense, and making sure you only receive her messages.

It's the same with Jesus.
If you don't stick to the scriptures, you can't claim to study the scriptures, and commonsense.

So you are saying that God can only communicate through the Holy Spirit, because Jesus said He would send Him to teach and to guide. That is limiting the workings of God. If He wants to send a unicorn to lead me out of a forest, He can do it. One method of communication doesn't exclude another.
I did not say God can only.
You said you read my post, so how could you say this, when I said God chose to...?
I also quoted the scripture along with it.

Hebrews 1:1, 2. You can read it.
God says what he used to use, and then says what he now uses.
It's his decision. We do not decide that because he used a particular method with someone, then he is obligated to use it forever.

God has chosen to use Jesus to teach his people.
The scriptures were completed under Jesus' direction, and the message God gave Jesus for the congregations that existed during the time of Jesus' last living apostle, and Jesus delegated the privilege to one of his angels.

That does not mean Jesus is obligated to send angels to people.
We have the complete Bible, and Jesus uses holy spirit to bring the things therein to mind, and guide his followers into the truths written therein.

Are you saying this is not enough for you?
If so, please carry on. I will not continue to trouble you.
However, let me answer your question.
Jerry N. said:
Are you saying that there are no more miracles? God no longer heals?
Please read Matthew 7:22, 23; Matthew 24:24; 2 Thessalonians 2:9
That tells me miracles do happen... often.
It also tells me the source of these miracles - Satan.
These scriptures also reveal that many people are being misled by these miracles, and God is well pleased to let them be, so that at the end of the day he can get rid of them, because they do not love truth.

I am also happy to leave these persons be, once I have tried to a reasonable degree to help them see the error they are making.
So, it was nice talking to you, Jerry.
I hope something I said "clicks" at some point, and the dots connect.

By the way, thank you for the reply button help. I can fix computers, but I can't use them very well.
I'm glad you got things working.
I'm always happy to assist, and if I know something that can help, I do not keep it to myself. I share it, freely.
That's why I spent this time talking with you guys.
However, I have said enough, but the three of you have your mind made up.

Take good care, and I hope we can talk on another occasion.
 
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I'm far from a child, and I have reread several of your posts, and all that I can see is that you don't think God's angels visit Earth and miracles stopped happening. Maybe I am wrong, and I mean no aggression. How and why God communicates or interacts with mankind is beyond me. Why did God send an angel to Mary and not just tell her Himself? What is the purpose to the plagues of Egypt? One would have been enough.
You are missing the point Jerry.
This has nothing to do with using angels as opposed to telling someone something himself.

God's angels are his messengers. He uses them.
Prophets are also messengers. God used them.

Jesus is God's chief messenger. God uses him.
The disciples are Jesus messengers. He uses them.

Do you not get the picture?
Jesus chooses to use people to help others come to know the truth.
That is why he sends them, That is why he appointed elders in the congregations... gifts in men - shepherds, teachers, etc.
Matthew 24:14; Matthew 24:45; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:8-11; Hebrews 13:17

Why did Jesus command his followers to stay in Jerusalem before he ascended?
Acts 1:1, 2
1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.’

Read that carefully Jerry, along with the previous verses.
Ask yourself... Why would Jesus appoint men to preach the gospel of the kingdom throughout all the earth... fill them with holy spirit so that they can do it... and increase the workers of the harvest...
Only to then send angels to people?

Does that seem like commonsense to you Jerry?
He might as well had not appointed the men. Who needs them when angels can do the job.. right.
Think about it. What purpose is there in making disciples by means of the preaching of the gospel?
 
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Angels have been a part of my life since memory ,,, i can hear and see them in everything ...
I believe you.
Many people have had angels in their life before the exited they womb of their mother.
I know of cases where people tried to get rid of these angels when they realized the danger they were in.
With God's help, many have succeeded.
 
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You are missing the point Jerry.
This has nothing to do with using angels as opposed to telling someone something himself.

God's angels are his messengers. He uses them.
Prophets are also messengers. God used them.

Jesus is God's chief messenger. God uses him.
The disciples are Jesus messengers. He uses them.

Do you not get the picture?
Jesus chooses to use people to help others come to know the truth.
That is why he sends them, That is why he appointed elders in the congregations... gifts in men - shepherds, teachers, etc.
Matthew 24:14; Matthew 24:45; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:8-11; Hebrews 13:17

Why did Jesus command his followers to stay in Jerusalem before he ascended?
Acts 1:1, 2

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.’

Read that carefully Jerry, along with the previous verses.
Ask yourself... Why would Jesus appoint men to preach the gospel of the kingdom throughout all the earth... fill them with holy spirit so that they can do it... and increase the workers of the harvest...
Only to then send angels to people?

Does that seem like commonsense to you Jerry?
He might as well had not appointed the men. Who needs them when angels can do the job.. right.
Think about it. What purpose is there in making disciples by means of the preaching of the gospel?
It has been interesting. I hope we will meet again.
 
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