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Question On Spirit's

Do you believe wicked spirits give people the ability to see beyond physical barriers?

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“Did not my spirit go with you when the man got down from his chariot to meet you? 2 Kings 5:26
Please read 2 Kings 5:24-27

How did Elijah know where his attendant went, and what he did? Was Elijah there in spirit? Did Elijah have an "open window view" to the scene?
The reading suggest these possibilities.

Do you the same happens today?
Can people be given open windows to scenes of other people's life, activities, etc.?
Has anyone ever had a personal experience, or spoken to someone who related seeing beyond physical barriers... in other words, seeing persons from another "room" which is outside the scope of physical vision?

Do you believe that is possible?
See Clairvoyance
 

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Most likely wicked spirits are only going to deceive.
Thanks.
They seem to enjoy doing more than that.

Matthew 4:24
And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.​
Matthew 8:16 . . .they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word. . .
Matthew 8:30-32
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They enjoy making people miserable, and uncomfortable, and using friends and family, to stumble someone, is not something they shun.
Mark 8:32, 33
32 And he said this z plainly. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. 33 But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, a“ Get behind me, Satan! For you b are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”​

Anything that Satan and the demons knows can be a challenge to someone, they would use it, wouldn't they?
You don't think they would look for more advanced ways to carry on their sadistic pleasures?
 
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What you’re describing is commonly known as remote viewing and it does exist. It’s a prominent topic in the series Stranger Things and you can go down the rabbit hole and discover how it’s used by the government if you’d like.

I think some people see deeper into the spirit realm than others and some spiritual gifts may enhance those abilities. The consensus has always been that its presence is largely genetic and passed along a bloodline and the majority are women. I don’t think that’s wholly false nor would I encourage anyone to admit their experiences publicly.

There are a lot of groups that covet those abilities and use them for unwholesome reasons. You may draw unwanted attention to yourself and regret it. Bear in mind, a skill may be used for good or evil and there’s levels to everything. There may be reasons why God bestows the ability on someone. It could be situational or continuous. And it differs from clairvoyance and doesn’t require divination.

~bella
 
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What you’re describing is commonly known as remote viewing and it does exist. It’s a prominent topic in the series Stranger Things and you can go down the rabbit hole and discover how it’s used by the government if you’d like.

I think some people see deeper into the spirit realm than others and some spiritual gifts may enhance those abilities. The consensus has always been that its presence is largely genetic and passed along a bloodline and the majority are women. I don’t think that’s wholly false nor would I encourage anyone to admit their experiences publicly.

There are a lot of groups that covet those abilities and use them for unwholesome reasons. You may draw unwanted attention to yourself and regret it. Bear in mind, a skill may be used for good or evil and there’s levels to everything. There may be reasons why God bestows the ability on someone. It could be situational or continuous. And it differs from clairvoyance and doesn’t require divination.

~bella
Thank you very much. This is helpful.
"In early occult and spiritualist literature, remote viewing was known as telesthesia and traveling clairvoyance."
I expected any information on this to lead back to early occultism.

You have put me on the right path.
I found this interesting...
She further describes the concept of "third nature" or telesthesia, where devices such as television and the telephone create a platform which we use to communicate to people over large distances and not just a machine that we learn to operate individually. This is described in her book The Virtual Republic:
While it may feel natural for some to inhabit this media-made world, I suspect there is a fundamental change here that has a lot of people just a bit spooked. It's no longer a case of making second nature out of nature, of building things and getting used to living in the world people build. I think it might be interesting to consider telesthesia to be something fundamentally different. What gets woven out of telegraph, telephone, television, telecommunications is not a second nature but what I call third nature.
Source : McKenzie Wark - Wikipedia

Despite extensive study, some aspects of electromagnetic waves remain not fully understood. For instance, the exact nature of how electromagnetic fields interact with matter and the full implications of their wave-particle duality are still subjects of ongoing research. 5 Additionally, the interaction of electromagnetic waves with living organisms, particularly at low frequencies, is not entirely clear, with some studies suggesting possible biological effects that require further investigation. 5 The electromagnetic spectrum, which includes a wide range of wavelengths from radio waves to gamma rays, also presents challenges in understanding how different types of radiation interact with various materials and environments. 6 While significant progress has been made, particularly through the work of scientists like James Clerk Maxwell, who unified electricity and magnetism into a single theory, there are still many mysteries surrounding electromagnetic waves that continue to intrigue and challenge physicists. 7

Quantum physics is often considered difficult to understand due to its counter-intuitive nature and the challenges it poses to classical notions of reality. Many physicists and scientists have expressed that quantum mechanics defies our everyday experiences and requires a new set of intuitions to grasp. 2 For instance, the idea that the act of observation influences what is observed is a fundamental aspect of quantum mechanics, and few can agree on what that means. 4

I'm not interested in the babble about scientific evidence, since I expect to see this kind of thing, when it comes to God, angels, spirit, etc.
What is amusing Bella, is how this claim is made...
Methodological naturalists limit their scientific research to the study of natural causes, because any attempts to define causal relationships with the supernatural are never fruitful, and result in the creation of scientific "dead ends" and God of the gaps-type hypotheses. To avoid these traps, scientists assume that all causes are empirical and naturalistic, which means they can be measured, quantified, and studied methodically.​
However, this assumption of naturalism need not extend beyond an assumption of methodology. This is what separates methodological naturalism from philosophical naturalism — the former is merely a tool and makes no truth claim, while the latter makes the philosophical — essentially atheistic — claim that only natural causes exist.​
Source: Methodological naturalism

Then the said scientists pretend they have the means of verifying supernatural phenomenon. Ha Ha. That's funny.

Anyway, this information is quite helpful, and indeed answers the questions I have.
So, people with connections to the occult used these 'abilities', and continue to do so... with the help of angelic beings, of course.
I see no scriptural reason however, why God would use this.
I see it as entirely demonic.
 
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“Did not my spirit go with you when the man got down from his chariot to meet you? 2 Kings 5:26
Please read 2 Kings 5:24-27

How did Elijah know where his attendant went, and what he did? Was Elijah there in spirit? Did Elijah have an "open window view" to the scene?
The reading suggest these possibilities.

Do you the same happens today?
Can people be given open windows to scenes of other people's life, activities, etc.?
Has anyone ever had a personal experience, or spoken to someone who related seeing beyond physical barriers... in other words, seeing persons from another "room" which is outside the scope of physical vision?

Do you believe that is possible?
See Clairvoyance

You're referring to dreams from GOD.

Normally when GOD gives me a sort of predictive dream I see myself in it, involved in the situation happening, almost like a movie in ways. The proper understanding of it tends to come later.
 
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You're referring to dreams from GOD.

Normally when GOD gives me a sort of predictive dream I see myself in it, involved in the situation happening, almost like a movie in ways. The proper understanding of it tends to come later.
No, I'm not referring to dreams from God.
What part of the OP makes you think I am referring to dreams from God.
 
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I'm actually surprised that no one here... but me :grin: believes that people get their ability to see beyond physical barriers from angelic beings.
Actually "I'm actually surprised" is an under statement. I'm shocked into being :dizzy:.

Telecommunications and the occult
Electronic telecommunications were popularly associated with the occult from the start.

The laying of the earliest working overland and submarine telegraphic cables in the late 1840s and early 1850s coincided with the birth of ‘spiritualism’—a widespread belief that the living could communicate with the spirits of the dead.

The electric telegraph ushered in a new era of long-distance communication. Its workings were popularly likened to the operation of spirit communication, which similarly relied on the transmission of messages between intelligences at a distance.

Many of the most influential developers of electric telecommunications technologies were directly involved in the scientific investigation of spirits and other ‘psychical’ phenomena like telepathy (direct communication between minds at a distance).

Many could see how communication can occur over distances and barriers.
How do spirits beings do it, and can they not give humans access to communications through electronic waves?
If it's so easy for man, imagine how much easier, and far beyond, for a spirit being.

Of course, the wicked spirits deceive people into thinking they are communicating with their dead loved ones, but outside of this fact, we know that communications do take place between the spirit realm, and earthlings... and I believe portals, and gateways are opened, which allow far more than most may have ever considered possible.

The Bible says, for example...
But the [Holy] Spirit explicitly and unmistakably declares that in later times some will turn away from the faith, paying attention instead to deceitful and seductive spirits and doctrines of demons, [misled] by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared as with a branding iron [leaving them incapable of ethical functioning], 1 Timothy 4:1, 2

Revelation 16:13, 14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

It's clear that people are receiving messages from demons. How?
Are the practices of the occult real, or make believe? How do you see them?
 
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Thank you very much. This is helpful.

I’m glad it helped and understood what you meant. I’ve studied many things over the years. ;-)

Then the said scientists pretend they have the means of verifying supernatural phenomenon. Ha Ha. That's funny.

Scientists aren’t ignorant of the supernatural but they’re not allowed to discuss it openly. When you go down that rabbit hole you’ll eventually encounter God. But their admission would put other teachings into question and jeopardize their funding.

Anyway, this information is quite helpful, and indeed answers the questions I have.
So, people with connections to the occult used these 'abilities', and continue to do so... with the help of angelic beings, of course.
I see no scriptural reason however, why God would use this.
I see it as entirely demonic.

It isn’t something that can be taught. That’s why I mentioned Stranger Things as a reference. They exhibited supernatural abilities beforehand that were being honed through the program. But they’re not adults they’re children. In the same vain, we observe native abilities that aren’t the result of training or influences. They’re born with them but it doesn’t mean they’re demonic.

The bible isn’t silent on the subject and the supernatural is plentiful. But it isn’t the focus. Signs and wonders have a purpose but they can become a snare for many. It’s best to be sober and Paul exemplifies this while sharing an experience.

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, [only] God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know that such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, [only] God knows—was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words which man is not permitted to speak [words too sacred to tell].

What is he referring to? When I see the text two things come to mind that we’ve defined. Some might assume it’s astral travel but it’s more in line with remote viewing than not if the body remained in place. You could make a similar argument for Isaiah’s and John’s visions and what of Philip’s experience in Samaria?

I’m not looking for answers per se. Just acknowledging the things of God are many layered and mystery is part of that. It’s possible that what we assign as visions may bear similarities with the other. It can be wholly observational or interactive. Do all believers have these experiences? Of course not. Some see in a waking state and others in dreams alone. And there‘s usually a gift of discernment and prophecy present. But the Holy Spirit isn’t the only One who bestows abilities and His are contingent on faith but the Father’s aren’t.

I‘ve always possessed an ability to see through people and situations at a young age and was wise beyond my years and adept at problem-solving. The spiritual equivalents enhanced what was there but God provided them first. My hunches were usually correct more than not and if I said something wouldn’t end well it usually didn’t. I apply the same today in greater measures and attribute it to the Lord. But a layman would view my experiences differently and use paranormal terminology to explain it. That’s the reference point they have.

Angels act on the behest of the Lord. They don’t move autonomously. Anything that comes from them is on His authority. And the Holy Spirit is the Dispenser. Fallen angels aren’t privy to the same and their endowments are given directly. Angels were never meant to instruct us without approval. Remember the Watchers.

~bella
 
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No, I'm not referring to dreams from God.
What part of the OP makes you think I am referring to dreams from God.

You asked this question,...

How did Elijah know where his attendant went, and what he did? Was Elijah there in spirit?

I'm saying yes, he was there by what GOD showed him,..... in a dream. I have this happen all the time when GOD is forewarning of things trying to happen.

If you wish to explore this in a more secular way, be my guest.
 
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I'm saying yes, he was there by what GOD showed him,..... in a dream. I have this happen all the time when GOD is forewarning of things trying to happen.

Dreams aren’t the lone way it happens. Hence his response. Many experience the same while awake.

~bella
 
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Dreams aren’t the lone way it happens. Hence his response. Many experience the same while awake.

~bella

Then that would be a vision.

We should be trying to understand these manifestations from GOD in the context of the bible, but if people wish to explore the secular understanding of such things, it's a big rabbit hole full of lies.
 
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I’m glad it helped and understood what you meant. I’ve studied many things over the years. ;-)



Scientists aren’t ignorant of the supernatural but they’re not allowed to discuss it openly. When you go down that rabbit hole you’ll eventually encounter God. But their admission would put other teachings into question and jeopardize their funding.



It isn’t something that can be taught. That’s why I mentioned Stranger Things as a reference. They exhibited supernatural abilities beforehand that were being honed through the program. But they’re not adults they’re children. In the same vain, we observe native abilities that aren’t the result of training or influences. They’re born with them but it doesn’t mean they’re demonic.

The bible isn’t silent on the subject and the supernatural is plentiful. But it isn’t the focus. Signs and wonders have a purpose but they can become a snare for many. It’s best to be sober and Paul exemplifies this while sharing an experience.

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, [only] God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know that such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, [only] God knows—was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words which man is not permitted to speak [words too sacred to tell].

What is he referring to? When I see the text two things come to mind that we’ve defined. Some might assume it’s astral travel but it’s more in line with remote viewing than not if the body remained in place. You could make a similar argument for Isaiah’s and John’s visions and what of Philip’s experience in Samaria?

I’m not looking for answers per se. Just acknowledging the things of God are many layered and mystery is part of that. It’s possible that what we assign as visions may bear similarities with the other. It can be wholly observational or interactive. Do all believers have these experiences? Of course not. Some see in a waking state and others in dreams alone. And there‘s usually a gift of discernment and prophecy present. But the Holy Spirit isn’t the only One who bestows abilities and His are contingent on faith but the Father’s aren’t.

I‘ve always possessed an ability to see through people and situations at a young age and was wise beyond my years and adept at problem-solving. The spiritual equivalents enhanced what was there but God provided them first. My hunches were usually correct more than not and if I said something wouldn’t end well it usually didn’t. I apply the same today in greater measures and attribute it to the Lord. But a layman would view my experiences differently and use paranormal terminology to explain it. That’s the reference point they have.

Angels act on the behest of the Lord. They don’t move autonomously. Anything that comes from them is on His authority. And the Holy Spirit is the Dispenser. Fallen angels aren’t privy to the same and their endowments are given directly. Angels were never meant to instruct us without approval. Remember the Watchers.

~bella
Thanks.
There's just one thing I believe, which is a bit different to you, and that is, I don't believe it's human abilities.
People can be selected at birth, as has been the case when God by spirit chose persons before they exited the womb. I believe Satan does the same, and if you want to know if this really happens, talk to Hattians, Africans, Guyanese...
They will tell you stories that are real.

As regards, "possessed an ability to see through people", everyone's abilities and dispositions are unique.
Some have more empathy than others, etc., but this is due to inherited traits, and additionally, in the same vein, God takes children by the hand, when they are growing up, based on what no one else but God, may know.
Satan, likewise, takes some children by the hand, based on what they go through, and the potential he sees in them to do damage.

He uses adults in the same way, by using their disposition. If they are angry... bitter at heart,.. all the better.
Just feed them some bloody meat in the form of graphic and brutal killing with rock music in the background, and his children will continue multiplying.

I believe humans are connected to spirit, and there are only two.
If we aren't connected to God's spirit, we will be connected to Satan's spirit. Ephesians 2:2

What you mentioned about being carried in the spirit to see visions, this is what I meant by portals and gates opening.
I believe this is what Satan did when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness.
The Bible says Satan took him along...
However, we know Jesus did not leave the wilderness to follow Satan into the temple, and climb to the highest peak, to have Satan tell him, jump.
Neither did he take Jesus into space, to see all the kingdoms of the world.
This was by vision, some kind of "travel".

However, back to the ability to see beyond barriers.
The sources I looked at, go back to Helena Blavatsky - an occultist, and even further.
People have long been fascinated with the occult. Even more so today.
God warned about staying away from these practices Deuteronomy 18:9-19, but the nations clung to them. Even his people were enticed.
 
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You asked this question,...

How did Elijah know where his attendant went, and what he did? Was Elijah there in spirit?

I'm saying yes, he was there by what GOD showed him,..... in a dream. I have this happen all the time when GOD is forewarning of things trying to happen.

If you wish to explore this in a more secular way, be my guest.
Okay, thanks.
However, Elijah was not sleeping, so it was not by dream.
By vision, then?
 
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Then that would be a vision.
We should be trying to understand these manifestations from GOD in the context of the bible, but if people wish to explore the secular understanding of such things, it's a big rabbit hole full of lies.
Let's talk about visions.
What's your understanding of a vision?
 
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Thanks.
There's just one thing I believe, which is a bit different to you, and that is, I don't believe it's human abilities.
People can be selected at birth, as has been the case when God by spirit chose persons before they exited the womb. I believe Satan does the same, and if you want to know if this really happens, talk to Hattians, Africans, Guyanese...
They will tell you stories that are real.

I’m not suggesting they’re human abilities. I shared the correlation because we’ve all witnessed it and spirit is no different. I’m familiar with their practices and they fall under the umbrella of african traditional religions. They aren’t chosen at birth in the manner you suspect. The majority are dedicated or there’s a covenant with the bloodline and they’re born into it without a choice. We‘ve seen similar behavior in the bible with Samuel and the Nazarite vow and that’s the probable influence (what was copied).

As regards, "possessed an ability to see through people", everyone's abilities and dispositions are unique.
Some have more empathy than others, etc., but this is due to inherited traits, and additionally, in the same vein, God takes children by the hand, when they are growing up, based on what no one else but God, may know.
Satan, likewise, takes some children by the hand, based on what they go through, and the potential he sees in them to do damage.

That’s why you have to observe children closely. Especially when they’re talking to themselves or have an imaginary friend. They don’t have the same guardrails as adults and they’re perceptive. Christian parents should be covering the child in prayer while in the womb and before conception as well.

I had a natural hunger for God at an early age which provided opportunities for instruction that were certainly His design. My siblings didn’t want the same and I remember being enthralled with the bible on tape and attending prayer meetings and revivals with a relative and multiple services during the week when I visited another. I was reading the bible too and that wasn’t something they emphasized in catholicism. When we mature we can see His fingerprints on our lives and destiny. Most of the things I value have their root in earlier periods.

He uses adults in the same way, by using their disposition. If they are angry... bitter at heart,.. all the better.
Just feed them some bloody meat in the form of graphic and brutal killing with rock music in the background, and his children will continue multiplying.

This is true as well. Whatever we feed will grow for our benefit or otherwise. We need a similar vigilance within ourselves and an equal degree of wisdom to navigate the world and oppose the evil one.

What you mentioned about being carried in the spirit to see visions, this is what I meant by portals and gates opening.
I believe this is what Satan did when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness.
The Bible says Satan took him along...

What differs between the two is the source and their authority. The devil’s portals will never carry us to God and they’re illegitimate for our entry. They move through dimensions and man was assigned to the earth. That’s the problem with “time travel” and entering a different sphere. If you’ve ever seen Star Trek you’ll understand. They often encountered problems because they didn’t belong.

However, we know Jesus did not leave the wilderness to follow Satan into the temple, and climb to the highest peak, to have Satan tell him, jump.
Neither did he take Jesus into space, to see all the kingdoms of the world.
This was by vision, some kind of "travel".

I agree. He didn’t physically depart. It might have been communicated telepathically. That’s how he talks with humans and why we hear him in our head.

However, back to the ability to see beyond barriers.
The sources I looked at, go back to Helena Blavatsky - an occultist, and even further.
People have long been fascinated with the occult. Even more so today.
God warned about staying away from these practices Deuteronomy 18:9-19, but the nations clung to them. Even his people were enticed.

Blavatsky was an occultist with a sixth grade education who wrote a tome that would become the founding texts for theosophy. The mystery schools have always existed as has man’s interest in forbidden things. Most of it is the result of teachings from fallen angels or influenced by them. Our desire to know isn’t wrong. It’s the way we go about it that’s problematic.

~bella
 
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Then that would be a vision.

We should be trying to understand these manifestations from GOD in the context of the bible, but if people wish to explore the secular understanding of such things, it's a big rabbit hole full of lies.

You are welcome to respond to the OP as you see fit. I prefer to meet people where they are and go from there. I have no difficulty broaching the question from different vantage points and the end result is God at its conclusion.

~bella
 
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Let's talk about visions.
What's your understanding of a vision?

From my experience, it's normally a predictive bit of information being shown me. It has an informative sort of aspect associated with it. In other words, GOD is cluing me into something trying to happen or currently happening with me.

They are very similar to dreams, but I think visions are more of a "for the moment" type revealing whereas information in dreams can be way more long term, taking years to be fulfilled.

GOD utilizes dreams with me way more than visions, but either has GOD providing us information from His storehouse of knowledge.

When Elijah talked about "didn't my spirit go with you when the man got down from his chariot,..." it immediately reminded me of how GOD can have me watching me in a dream doing something or having something happen around me. It's like a quick movie or picture show from GOD revealing something going to happen, and I just happen to be one of the characters in that movie I'm watching.

That's about the best way for me to explain it.
 
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I’m not suggesting they’re human abilities. I shared the correlation because we’ve all witnessed it and spirit is no different. I’m familiar with their practices and they fall under the umbrella of african traditional religions. They aren’t chosen at birth in the manner you suspect. The majority are dedicated or there’s a covenant with the bloodline and they’re born into it without a choice. We‘ve seen similar behavior in the bible with Samuel and the Nazarite vow and that’s the probable influence (what was copied).
That's what I meant.
Some of the adults' practices fall on the children, making them opened to these activities.

That’s why you have to observe children closely. Especially when they’re talking to themselves or have an imaginary friend. They don’t have the same guardrails as adults and they’re perceptive. Christian parents should be covering the child in prayer while in the womb and before conception as well.

I had a natural hunger for God at an early age which provided opportunities for instruction that were certainly His design. My siblings didn’t want the same and I remember being enthralled with the bible on tape and attending prayer meetings and revivals with a relative and multiple services during the week when I visited another. I was reading the bible too and that wasn’t something they emphasized in catholicism. When we mature we can see His fingerprints on our lives and destiny. Most of the things I value have their root in earlier periods.
From experience, I can relate to that.

This is true as well. Whatever we feed will grow for our benefit or otherwise. We need a similar vigilance within ourselves and an equal degree of wisdom to navigate the world and oppose the evil one.



What differs between the two is the source and their authority. The devil’s portals will never carry us to God and they’re illegitimate for our entry. They move through dimensions and man was assigned to the earth. That’s the problem with “time travel” and entering a different sphere. If you’ve ever seen Star Trek you’ll understand. They often encountered problems because they didn’t belong.
What about the vision of the transfiguration... how do you figure that happen?

I agree. He didn’t physically depart. It might have been communicated telepathically. That’s how he talks with humans and why we hear him in our head.
It needed to be real, so that rules out telepathy.
Telling Jesus to jump and God will rescue him, would not be a temptation, if it's only in one's head.

Blavatsky was an occultist with a sixth grade education who wrote a tome that would become the founding texts for theosophy. The mystery schools have always existed as has man’s interest in forbidden things. Most of it is the result of teachings from fallen angels or influenced by them. Our desire to know isn’t wrong. It’s the way we go about it that’s problematic.

~bella
I believe it's important to know.
I don't think a lot of people are aware of the level of demonic practice in this world.
Aside from being in things like astrology, it's in a great percentage of music, movies... not to mention reading material.
Lot's of people are opened to this stuff, with more than passing curiosity.
 
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