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How Dangerous Was The Covid - 19 Vaccine

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I almost never have a reaction to a vaccine. But a couple of days after my second dose I experienced some pain in my right arm.

The interesting thing is that I received that dose at Dodger stadium in my LEFT arm. No way could I be confused, this was early in the process and you did not get out of your car for the shot.
 
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I would not apply my circumstances to all and felt it was a personal choice. Neither I nor my immediate family contracted the virus including seniors. We took extensive precautions and didn’t frequent public spaces that might contribute to its spread. Three didn’t get vaccinated including the eldest and everyone’s fine. We used natural remedies and I advised them on their diet which diminished the risks.

I’m not a proponent for unnecessary medication but would seek help if needed. I prefer to allow the body to heal itself and work in tandem with the Lord and the methods shared above. The only thing I’ll take is Tylenol and it’s honestly for convenience sake and I need to let it go.

~bella
It's good to hear that you and yours avoided issues. A contributing factor is likely the precautions you took. My impression is that many who rejected vaccination did so in the belief it was unnecessary. Statistically they were mistaken. And equally there were individuals who took extreme precautions, had every vaccination, and access to excellent health professionals, yet still died.
 
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It's good to hear that you and yours avoided issues. A contributing factor is likely the precautions you took. My impression is that many who rejected vaccination did so in the belief it was unnecessary. Statistically they were mistaken. And equally there were individuals who took extreme precautions, had every vaccination, and access to excellent health professionals, yet still died.

I think it’s best to be informed and we were confronting an unprecedented situation which complicated matters. Nevertheless, I wouldn’t do as I did without some familiarity beforehand given the situation. We were already living that way and convincing my family to follow suit required some effort. They had to alter their shopping habits, buy in bulk, purchase a freezer and consume unfamiliar foods on my recommendation. Health wasn’t the only thing I addressed which required trust and leadership. They had the benefit of seeing the results in our lives beforehand which helped them accept my input after a little strong-arming.

I did a lot of things for my mental health during that period. I didn’t follow the news closely or engage in discussions on social media on the subject. I spent a lot of time investing in myself and my betterment. I was surrounded by professionals in the most important areas of my life. I had a life coach and another for business and one who focused on self-care. We were in a private community for homesteaders and taking classes with a well-known herbalist. I built a bubble around us intentionally to keep the world at bay and we weren’t exposed to a lot.

The conversations we had with the persons named happened privately in likeminded company. There were no arguments or debates on politics and vaccinations. We supported one another wholeheartedly while others chose differently. Health is many layered and more than medicine and good physicians. The psyche plays a part as does our environment and discourse. I’ve always had a holistic approach to the subject and that’s the greatest difference. Most people treat the body while ignoring the rest. That’s counterproductive in a crisis. You have to tackle it from many prongs.

~bella
 
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These extracts are from a National Library of Medicine artcile in 2022.


.... More than eight billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered globally so far and 44.29% of people are fully vaccinated....

.... There have been 55 cases of death after COVID-19 vaccination reported and a causal relationship has been excluded in 17 cases. In the remaining cases, the causal link between the vaccine and the death was not specified (8) or considered possible (15), probable (1), or very probable/demonstrated (14). The causes of deaths among these cases were: vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) (32), myocarditis (3), ADEM (1), myocardial infarction (1), and rhabdomyolysis (1). In such cases, the demonstration of a causal relationship is not obvious ...

Covid itself caused over 7 million deaths, many of which could probably have been avoided by vaccination. It also put a huge burden on health systems and the economy. Of the 55 deaths, the cause was not necessarily due to the vaccination, but it might have been a possibility.

The benefits of vaccination far outweighed the negatives.
 
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Ivermectin does not help against covid-19.
Perhaps, but what do you say to these claims from random people tweeting?

“Ivermectin eliminated the cancer on the skin of my shoulder and it only took 3 weeks,” one person wrote on X. “It’s also working wonders on my eczema,” another wrote on the platform.

As ivermectin goes over the counter, some pharmacists worry about a lack of guidance

The drug, used to treat parasitic worms, has not been formulated or labeled specifically for over-the-counter use, like aspirin or an antacid.

3 states have approved it for over the counter sales [although the FDA has not] A dozen or more other states are considering it.
 
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Perhaps, but what do you say to these claims from random people tweeting?

“Ivermectin eliminated the cancer on the skin of my shoulder and it only took 3 weeks,” one person wrote on X. “It’s also working wonders on my eczema,” another wrote on the platform.
I think I would want to see some medical documentation that such unconventional uses were safe and effective.
 
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Quote - This football analogy from Del Bigtrees interview of Geert Vanden Bossche made me understand the HOW and WHY humanity is in such grave danger from the global mass vaccination campaign. This explains the very basics of how non-specific and specific antibodies are completely different and should be at the very centre of any and all covid vaccine discussions.

https://rumble.com/v44ns69-football...interview-of-geert-vanden-bossche-the-hi.html
 
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Quote - This football analogy from Del Bigtrees interview of Geert Vanden Bossche made me understand the HOW and WHY humanity is in such grave danger from the global mass vaccination campaign. This explains the very basics of how non-specific and specific antibodies are completely different and should be at the very centre of any and all covid vaccine discussions.

https://rumble.com/v44ns69-football...interview-of-geert-vanden-bossche-the-hi.html
Del Bigtree? One of the biggest anti-vax conspiracists? He's not credible. Don't know who Vanden Bossche is.
 
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That's not a very precise answer.
Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Tuesday that 1 in 5 patients that he treats for long COVID never got COVID-19, asserting on Newsmax that they got long COVID from the mRNA vaccine.

That is one reason vaccine manufacturers should cease being immune to class-action lawsuits, he said.

 
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Del Bigtree? One of the biggest anti-vax conspiracists? He's not credible. Don't know who Vanden Bossche is.
Ones here don't know what my name is; so . . .
got long COVID from the mRNA vaccine.
It seems to me, that the sickness is caused by the reaction of the body to the virus. The immune reaction is overdone so a person gets sick. The actual virus, of course, can be in the lungs or maybe in the nose. So, an immune reaction to it can show in the lungs or in the nose.

However, the mRNA vaccine starts in the arm where it has been injected. And it causes the body to react to a chemical part of the virus . . . not a whole virus. However, the reaction is not in the lungs where inflammation can result and then major breathing issues.

But, because certain people react badly to the mRNA vaccine, there can be symptoms. And the vaccine is intended to cause a *~long~term~* immunity. And so, if in a good case the immunity can be long-term, I suppose a bad reaction to the vaccine could be . . . long-term.
 
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What I have on this is the virus can cause a bad reaction, but at the time of infection maybe not much of the virus gets into the person. So, at first, there might not be much of a reaction. But then the virus can multiply and cause major inflammation if the virus reaches the lungs.

However, now we have the so-called "weaker" version of the virus, but it can be caught more easily. Why is it easy to catch but there are fewer really bad cases?

My opinion > it is easier to catch because it has more attachment sites on the surface of the virus. Therefore it is more likely to get stuck in the nose so it never reaches the lungs where it can cause real trouble. And so we see more sniffles cases :) But how come still the "weaker" virus does kill certain people? My opinion is the person sniffed some nose virus down into the lungs, or it dripped from the nose down the throat into the lungs, maybe while the person was asleep.

Also, of course, some number of us got shots before our first encounter with the little creature. So, our bodies were ready to cancel it quite quickly.

Meanwhile, we are indeed hearing about the people who get into major problems with the shot.

Well . . . I personally was told, long ago, that any vaccine can have a bad reaction in certain people; years ago, we were told to wait a while where we got some shot, so they could make sure we did not have a reaction. The problem is how a person is able to handle it well or react badly. Maybe like this, we have people who can die of one bee sting . . . not because of the bee, but because the person's body overreacts to the venom of the bee. I think it could be something like this; and I'll "bet" no one is saying for all of us to avoid locations of bees because of how certain ones can die of a sting!

But > I understand the mRNA vaccine is different than ones we have had before. We used to have had at least one vaccine that contained a partly killed virus! The idea was to make the virus harmless and put it in the person so you could get immune to it. And there might be no telling how many different substances would be in that virus and each substance could cause its own antibody production.

Why not make a vaccine which causes a reaction to only one substance on the virus? And why not make it the substance which the virus uses to attach itself to the human cell?? This way, antibodies will grab the attachment chemical and clog it so the virus can't get into a cell . . . while the body also is sending killer cells to get rid of the virus.

Yes, to my knowledge, the mRNA is a factory chemical which produces only one specific substance of the virus. And that target substance is the one on the tip of the virus "spike" which attaches the virus to a human cell. And it produces a lot, I understand a lot more than any of the substances that would be in an injected whole virus. And so . . . then . . . "of course" . . . if some poor person is bad at reacting to the vaccine substance . . . it can be a super-bad reaction since so much of the substance will be produced by the mRNA vaccine.

The injected mRNA causes super-production of the chemical which attaches the virus to a cell in the lungs or nose or maybe somewhere else. So, you might see the efficiency of this > how, instead of making the body immune to various substances of the virus, just make it immune to the chemical part that makes the virus able to connect . . . to "hook" itself . . . to the cell. Then antibodies grab the "hooks" of the virus and block its ability to grab onto a cell, plus the antibodies mark the virus to be munched by killer cells while the virus is still stuck out in the open and not in cells.

But the thing is . . . if a person reacts badly to the hooking substance of the virus, there will be a very strong and harmful reaction since there is a *l~o~t* of that "hook" which was produced by the injected mRNA.
 
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Ones here don't know what my name is; so . . .
We're both anonymous posters on a message board, I don't think that matters.
It seems to me, that the sickness is caused by the reaction of the body to the virus. The immune reaction is overdone so a person gets sick. The actual virus, of course, can be in the lungs or maybe in the nose. So, an immune reaction to it can show in the lungs or in the nose.
A few of the symptoms of COVID and similar viruses (for example fevers) are part of the bodies reaction to or attempt to destroy the virus, but the damage from viral infections are generally caused by viruses damaging cells. (Some of the COVID cases, did involve a triggered immune overreaction, but that is not the only or primary cause of danger or sickness.)
However, the mRNA vaccine starts in the arm where it has been injected. And it causes the body to react to a chemical part of the virus . . . not a whole virus. However, the reaction is not in the lungs where inflammation can result and then major breathing issues.
All parts of the virus are "chemical". The reaction is to make an immune memory. The locality is not important to immune response. The mRNA vaccines work by having a chunk of messenger RNA (the intermediate stage in protein transcription), that passes into the cells and makes a few copies of the surface protein it encodes before falling apart. The immune system recognizes those proteins as foreign and makes an immune response to it. It works the same way as if you injected some proteins or dead viruses. It is a remarkable technology.
But, because certain people react badly to the mRNA vaccine, there can be symptoms.
Like any vaccine, the intent is to induce a immune reaction so that the immune system recognizes and attack any live virus before it can do any damage. Some of these reactions are stronger than others. I had a mild reaction to my second mRNA COVID vaccine that gave me mild symptoms the afternoon after the shot.
And the vaccine is intended to cause a *~long~term~* immunity. And so, if in a good case the immunity can be long-term, I suppose a bad reaction to the vaccine could be . . . long-term.
No, that's not how it works. The reactions are just the immune system doing immune system things like mild fevers. "Long COVID" is caused by viral damage or latent viruses. The vaccine doesn't cause those.
 
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Covid was nothing more than a bad dose of the flu & it was exaggerated out of all proportion.
The worst thing about COVID was that it really exacerbated any and all underlying diseases. It, itself, in a healthy person, is pretty non-life-threatening, but in the populations that were impacted the most (the elderly and those with heart disease and diabetes, and obesity, etc.) they were hugely affected and so everyone was eager to see a vaccine for it, and fast-tracking it meant that years of research was skipped. Yes, there are problems with the vaccine. For one, it's not a vaccine in the traditional sense, so it doesn't prevent you from getting the virus/disease. And yes, there have been many cases of heart issues, reproductive issues, for example that have been linked to the vaccine. The creator of the mRNA vaccine base has said that he would never take it because of the lack of research it has had in comparison to all the other medications/vaccines that are on the market, and ideally, while they fast tracked it for immediate use, IMO, it should have continued to be researched so we know what side-effects and untoward reactions it has, what it's efficacy is, etc. I know it is one thing RFK, Jr., is hoping to do as head of HHS. I'm hoping it gets done so we have all that information and can assess medical conditions that result from it.
 
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The worst thing about COVID was that it really exacerbated any and all underlying diseases. It, itself, in a healthy person, is pretty non-life-threatening, but in the populations that were impacted the most (the elderly and those with heart disease and diabetes, and obesity, etc.) they were hugely affected and so everyone was eager to see a vaccine for it, and fast-tracking it meant that years of research was skipped.
Not skipped -- compressed. All of the normal clinical trials were executed. The use of mRNA as a vaccine had been researched generally for many years. I believe one of the two companies was working on an HIV vaccine using the technology.
Yes, there are problems with the vaccine. For one, it's not a vaccine in the traditional sense, so it doesn't prevent you from getting the virus/disease.
The responsiveness of a vaccine to the virus it protects against is about the virus' activity, the nature of the disease, and the immune response, not the type of vaccine. As I recall, there were "traditional" vaccines that eventually hit the market (J&J? Russia/China?) which were *less* effective. Not all vaccines stop their diseases completely, not all prevent transmission. Sometimes it is enough to lessen the impact of the viral infection (or all that can be achieved).

And yes, there have been many cases of heart issues, reproductive issues, for example that have been linked to the vaccine.
None of which is credible.
The creator of the mRNA vaccine base has said that he would never take it because of the lack of research it has had in comparison to all the other medications/vaccines that are on the market,
Robert Malone was the creator of a small part of the technology. He is not a virologist or a vaccine maker. His "expertise" is not relevant.
and ideally, while they fast tracked it for immediate use, IMO, it should have continued to be researched so we know what side-effects and untoward reactions it has, what it's efficacy is, etc.
And they did. The answer is very little to no side effects. The mRNA vaccine can only induce the cells to make a small amount of the spike protein within a few days of the injection. Then the immune system responds to the "alien proteins" an makes a memory of it for future detection. (An immune response) After a couple days there are no mRNA remaining nor spike proteins, only the immune response ready for an actual viral infection. Any "bad reaction" from the immune system would occur in the same people whose immune system would attack them if actually infected with a larger dose of thoe proteins over a longer period of time.
I know it is one thing RFK, Jr., is hoping to do as head of HHS. I'm hoping it gets done so we have all that information and can assess medical conditions that result from it.
We have the info we need and anything Robert Kennedy cooks up will likely be distorted given how he is stacking the deck against the actual scientific results.
 
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Not skipped -- compressed. All of the normal clinical trials were executed. The use of mRNA as a vaccine had been researched generally for many years. I believe one of the two companies was working on an HIV vaccine using the technology.

The responsiveness of a vaccine to the virus it protects against is about the virus' activity, the nature of the disease, and the immune response, not the type of vaccine. As I recall, there were "traditional" vaccines that eventually hit the market (J&J? Russia/China?) which were *less* effective. Not all vaccines stop their diseases completely, not all prevent transmission. Sometimes it is enough to lessen the impact of the viral infection (or all that can be achieved).


None of which is credible.

Robert Malone was the creator of a small part of the technology. He is not a virologist or a vaccine maker. His "expertise" is not relevant.

And they did. The answer is very little to no side effects. The mRNA vaccine can only induce the cells to make a small amount of the spike protein within a few days of the injection. Then the immune system responds to the "alien proteins" an makes a memory of it for future detection. (An immune response) After a couple days there are no mRNA remaining nor spike proteins, only the immune response ready for an actual viral infection. Any "bad reaction" from the immune system would occur in the same people whose immune system would attack them if actually infected with a larger dose of thoe proteins over a longer period of time.

We have the info we need and anything Robert Kennedy cooks up will likely be distorted given how he is stacking the deck against the actual scientific results.
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What is confusing you my friend? Is it the lack of syllogisms, or hermenutics? Or is it that I seem to not reply to some of the posts...

Syllogisms? Wow, Hans, you really haven't been paying attention all this time. And here I thought you had me pegged.

As for my apparent "confusion" (or questioning, really), I'll just say that my son's initial symptoms from the vaccine didn't leave me and my wife feeling overly .............. eh.............how do I say this diplomatically?

I'll have to think on it a while.
 
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