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Donald Trump is building a strange new religious movement

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Akita Suggagaki

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No Christians desired here.
Just the opposite.. "No Christian exploitation desired here."

Christ did not come to establish a worldly powerful kingdom with tanks, missiles, and the wealthy get wealthier and the oppressed become more oppressed. Of course the Democratic alternative was no better in different ways. But they didn't really pretend to be doing anything in the name of Christ.
 
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If I awoke from a 12 year coma I would be ridiculously disappointed by the Christian support for Trump.
I have had a really hard time accepting it I just tell myself I must be wrong somehow and Trump supporters cannot be as depraved as they seem.
 
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If we ever wanted to know how the Nazi party rose to power in Germany and convinced mass amounts of people that throwing men women and children in ovens and gas chamber's was a good thing to do, well wonder no more.

There are plenty of good books on the subject. The rise of the NDSAP is well documented and studied. I would recommend starting with Richard J Evans' "The Coming of the Third Reich". The sequel "The Third Reich in Power" describes how they punished their enemies, overwhelmed their democracy, and took total control prior to going to war.
 
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It’s not like the Trump group is inventing a whole new religion. It’s more that they are elevating the influence of Christians (and others) who conceive of the state as pre-eminent and faith as maleable to the states ends.
All of this seems like a chapter from the playbook of history. Using religion as a tool of political power.
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I'm sorry but you people are sitting on a forum calling Christians like myself idol worshippers and non-Christian.

Why? Why is this even okay on this forum?

Will someone tell me why they can call Christians idol worshippers for voting for the Republican candidate and out current president

On what planet is this not as highly offensive and intentionally so as one can get?

Why don't we put a sign on the door saying Christians unwelcome? This is what is happening, whether the sign is up or not. That is the message being sent. No Christians desired here.
Nobody is “calling Christians idol worshippers” merely for “voting for the Republican candidate.” That’s your wildly inaccurate, emotionally manipulative distortion of what the OP article is describing. Perhaps if you’d taken the time to read it, you wouldn’t be in such a tizzy.
 
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So say there was a religion based on Trump, based on other religion names what would it be called?

Trumpianity
Trumpism
Trumpto?

No idea, but since science at times resembles a belief system but is not a religion - this Trump oriented ideology probably fits into the same category: Interacts with a religion, but not a religion.
 
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I'm sorry but you people are sitting on a forum calling Christians like myself idol worshippers and non-Christian.
How do you conclude we are talking about Christians like you?
Why? Why is this even okay on this forum?

Will someone tell me why they can call Christians idol worshippers for voting for the Republican candidate and out current president

On what planet is this not as highly offensive and intentionally so as one can get?

Why don't we put a sign on the door saying Christians unwelcome? This is what is happening, whether the sign is up or not. That is the message being sent. No Christians desired here.
We are not talking about all Christians and you know it.
 
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Coming from "across the pond" it does seem to be a rather biased article if I'm honest.

Personally, I felt as though the article was trying to paint MAGA as almost like a curse word, like if you're a "real Christian" you cannot be a MAGA supporter but if you do support Trump then you're not what the author of the article would deem 'Christian'.

Yet the news we got over here was that clearly the majority of US voters were getting fed up with not having their concerns addressed. Essentially, someone with the right 'political sound bites' promised to change the current societal climate and got in. I mean, look at the UK at the minute - we have basically gotten what the majority voted in and are suffering for it.

Maybe I need to read the article again when it's not sunny outside (clearly distracted that it's not raining in the UK and it actually feels warm)
 
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We're not. The article is about a new religious movement which borrows significantly from Christianity but is not Christian. Here is the meat of the religion.

People who adhere to this set of beliefs are not Christians.

I don’t know whether they’re clamoring for a theocracy, deluded or religious extremists. But I don’t believe we’re led by the same spirit nor should their foolishness be supported. If they want to stick their neck out on his behalf let them do so and step aside. The ax will follow and they’ll come to their senses or remain in their stupor with the rest.

~bella
 
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Our division come down to the role of government.

1) The Right seems to prefer limited government, smaller government and more self care except when it comes to regulating personal sexuality.

2) The Left seems to prefer more government, more social programs to help people but also more individual personal freedom.

One would think religion has no place in these two philosophies of Res Publica.

But what we see is religion being used to justify option 1.

What disturbs me is that Jesus Christ and the Bible speak a great deal about care and love for the least of His people, compassion for the poor and vulnerable, yet these important aspects of Religion seem ignored. Why did people bring crosses on January 6th? To validate their misbehavior. They knew they were doing wrong and compromised by bolstering with the most powerful symbol of faith we have.

But I remind myself that even Jesus turned the temple tables over. Is there some valid comparison here? Attacking the capital and attacking the temple money changer? I don't think so. Not by a long shot. That would require sacralizing the capital and congress. Do we really want to do that.

I can see a desire and need to enact laws and ethos that are based on Biblical values. I think we all want that. The problem is in the diversity of interpretation of what those values ought to look like in 21st century and where the priorities ought to be.

The most important one that is currently being discarded is care for the poor, the marginalized, and the vulnerable.
 
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Coming from "across the pond" it does seem to be a rather biased article if I'm honest.

Personally, I felt as though the article was trying to paint MAGA as almost like a curse word, like if you're a "real Christian" you cannot be a MAGA supporter but if you do support Trump then you're not what the author of the article would deem 'Christian'.

Yet the news we got over here was that clearly the majority of US voters were getting fed up with not having their concerns addressed. Essentially, someone with the right 'political sound bites' promised to change the current societal climate and got in. I mean, look at the UK at the minute - we have basically gotten what the majority voted in and are suffering for it.

Maybe I need to read the article again when it's not sunny outside (clearly distracted that it's not raining in the UK and it actually feels warm)
It’s not a great article - it’s shallow and weakly sourced, but I do think that it’s broadly accurate.

If all you got from it is that “MAGA != Christian”, then you might be unfamiliar with the specific dynamics of contemporary American evangelicalism and the way many of its figures are, as the article rightly points out, molding their religious doctrine to prop up their politics.
 
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Our division come down to the role of government.

1) The Right seems to prefer limited government, smaller government and more self care except when it comes to regulating personal sexuality.

2) The Left seems to prefer more government, more social programs to help people but also more individual personal freedom.

One would think religion has no place in these two philosophies of Res Publica.

But what we see is religion being used to justify option 1.

What disturbs me is that Jesus Christ and the Bible speak a great deal about care and love for the least of His people, compassion for the poor and vulnerable, yet these important aspects of Religion seem ignored. Why did people bring crosses on January 6th? To validate their misbehavior. They knew they were doing wrong and compromised by bolstering with the most powerful symbol of faith we have.

But I remind myself that even Jesus turned the temple tables over. Is there some valid comparison here? Attacking the capital and attacking the temple money changer? I don't think so. Not by a long shot. That would require sacralizing the capital and congress. Do we really want to do that.

I can see a desire and need to enact laws and ethos that are based on Biblical values. I think we all want that. The problem is in the diversity of interpretation of what those values ought to look like in 21st century and where the priorities ought to be.

The most important one that is currently being discarded is care for the poor, the marginalized, and the vulnerable.
Reminds me of

 
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Trump is no theologian.

In the Lutheran tradition we often say that everybody is a theologian, even atheists are theologians. Everybody has thoughts about "God" (in air quotes because I want to emphasize the nebulousness here), including people who don't believe in God/gods (not believing in a god at all is still a perspective on the divine, "there is no god" is a theological statement even if it is a theological statement of negation). That would also apply to apatheism (apathy in regard to ideas about God/gods/the divine).

So Trump is a theologian. Because everyone is.

Is Trump a Christian theologian? That's a different, and a far more complicated, question.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It just looks similar.

Since MAGA only has 4 years, it's like apples and oranges.

I think that's highly optimistic. MAGA isn't going to go away just because DJT isn't in the white house.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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When will our brothers and sisters in Christ realize this deception? :prayer: :sigh:
Who's falling for it? I think it's a mistake to presume people are stupid before knowing first hand what they think. Very arrogant, IMO.
 
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