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Plus, you have no reason to think that the KJV is superior to any other translation.  If you assert that the KJV is the only version to use, you need to show why it is the best version.  Just because it is the first is not a good enough answer.  So the burden of proof is on you.  Show why you think that the KJV is the one and only version that should be used.
 
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How Important is The Bible TO YOU?



If modern English translations, such as the New American Standard

Version, New International Version, New King James Version, and Today's

English Version were easier to understand, then the Holy Spirit's message

to the Christian would flow freer and accomplish greater spiritual victories

in the lives of God's people on an individual basis. Yet it is sadly evident

that this is not happening.



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Job 26
2 How hast thou helped him that is without power? how savest thou the arm that hath no strength?
3 How hast thou counselled him that hath no wisdom? and how hast thou plentifully declared the thing as it is?
4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose spirit came from thee?
5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.
 
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The bible is important to me because that is how I come to know the gospel. I don't have a source like it to learn about Christ and the plan He enacted.

You also said that the Holy Spirit's message is not flowing free... or as free as it should or something like that.  Also you said that greater works would be accomplished by Christians if... I dont know what you said... Basically, what you said was jibberish and you should give evidence for claims. 

You have not argued at all for the KJV with what you have posted. So show why the KJV is the superior version. 

This should help you start your arguement:

1.  Find out how the KJV was linguistically compiled.

2.  Find out how the others were compiled.

3.  Compare.

 

We could start talking then.  Educate yourself.
 
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Today at 11:01 PM Jephunneh said this in Post #22

How Important is The Bible TO YOU?



If modern English translations, such as the New American Standard

Version, New International Version, New King James Version, and Today's

English Version were easier to understand, then the Holy Spirit's message

to the Christian would flow freer and accomplish greater spiritual victories

in the lives of God's people on an individual basis. Yet it is sadly evident

that this is not happening.



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Job 26
2 How hast thou helped him that is without power? how savest thou the arm that hath no strength?
3 How hast thou counselled him that hath no wisdom? and how hast thou plentifully declared the thing as it is?
4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose spirit came from thee?
5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.


Please explain your statement. How do you know there are less spiritual victories in an individuals life by using a Modern translation? Where do you gather your information? How many people have you asked?
 
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6th April 2003 at 05:42 AM Jephunneh said this in Post #11

God has used the KJV because it is His Word, which He has providentially watched over. Even though the KJV only goes back to 1611, nevertheless it is based upon the text and versions which preceded it. These texts and manuscripts are the ones that Bible believers have used down through the ages. It is a known fact that 85% to 95% of all ancient manuscripts are in basic agreement with the KJV, but not with the modern versions.

Known fact? I didn't know that. I think the ESV and NASB are both better translations. I've looked to the greek many times, never seeing "hath" "showest" and all the other old English in the definitions.
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31st March 2003 at 09:10 PM Ezra said this in Post #2



It's a fair question and has a straightforward answer. Bible societies publishing the KJV also publish in almost every other known written language, based upon the same Hebrew and Greek texts and/or the KJV. So in effect, every language had, and has it's own KJV. For example, Luther's German translation is a replica of the KJV, and during the Reformation all Reformation Bibles matched the KJV in various languages.

I'd disagree with you on the KJV being a "replica" of the KJV.  The KJV arrived on the scene in 1611.  Luther's first edition of the complete Bible was published in 1534, with his last revision published in 1545.

Both the Luther Bible and the Zürcher Bible (scriptures of the Swiss Reformation, earliest edition published in 1531) used a different edition of the Erasmian Greek text for the NT than the KJV.  1. John 5:7 is absent from both German translations--to this day, revisions of the Luther Bible still do not contain that verse-- so to say that all Reformation Bibles "match" the KJV is not entirely accurate.

But the versions do, for the most part, agree, some minor discrepancies due to language differences notwithstanding.

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9th April 2003 at 07:01 PM Jephunneh said this in Post #22

How Important is The Bible TO YOU?



If modern English translations, such as the New American Standard

Version, New International Version, New King James Version, and Today's

English Version were easier to understand, then the Holy Spirit's message

to the Christian would flow freer and accomplish greater spiritual victories

in the lives of God's people on an individual basis. Yet it is sadly evident

that this is not happening.

I agree with Jesaiah regarding the above quote.  I've seen the presence of God move more freely in some churches that preached from the NASB and NIV than other churches that were KJV only.  Of course, as you would expect, the former churches welcomed His presence more than the latter ones did.

The Holy Spirit is not quenched by the version of Bible you use.  Conversely, having the "purest" translation on hand (if there is such a thing) does you little good if you're bent on pursuing an agenda.

jth
 
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Problems with the translations are only true problems for the legalist. The message of the gospel is clean and clear. The point is, the same gospel is in all of the versions we have discussed. Leave out Acts 8:37 and we still have the same gospel. I am talking about the big picture. If you want to squabble and fight about wordings in texts, then yea its important. If you want the big picture of the gospel, it is rather irrelevant.
 
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Is Acts 8:37 the only verse that speaks about believing that Jesus is the Son of God?

There's 1 John 5:5, too--and lo and behold, it is in the NIV...

Furthermore, the NIV is careful to note that Acts 8:37 does exist in some, but not all, manuscripts, and it lists the verse out for the benefit of the reader.

There are tons of other verses that speak about believing in Jesus, faith in Jesus, etc., etc. The NIV does not omit them.

The bottom line is this--if you don't like the NIV, or any other version, for whatever reason, then simply don't use it. If another has the liberty to read from that version, then that's that brother's affair. If his walk with the Lord is solid, despite what version he reads, then it proves that faith comes from something other than the Bible version used.

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Today at 06:10 AM Aaron11 said this in Post #31

Problems with the translations are only true problems for the legalist. The message of the gospel is clean and clear. The point is, the same gospel is in all of the versions we have discussed. Leave out Acts 8:37 and we still have the same gospel. I am talking about the big picture. If you want to squabble and fight about wordings in texts, then yea its important. If you want the big picture of the gospel, it is rather irrelevant.
Amen.  Here's something else to consider--If your faith is so wound up in the wordings of a text, then where is your trust in the sovereignty of God?

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St. Peter at the gate:  Why should I let you into Heaven?

Recently deceased church-going person:  Because I read the KJV and only the KJV!

Pete (scratches head):  Hmmm.  But do you know Jesus?

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Acts 8
34The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?"
35Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"
38And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
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Acts 8
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
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Yesterday at 10:18 PM Jephunneh said this in Post #36

NIV
Acts 8
34The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?"
35Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"
38And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
© Copyright 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
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Acts 8
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
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So?
That verse isn't in the original manuscripts. Go to www.greekbible.com and put it Acts 8:37 and see.
 
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God is unchangeable. God's word is unchangeable too. In Matthew 24:35, the Lord Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

Why then are some so ready to accept changes to God's word in the form of different Bible versions?

The Authorized King James text has faithfully served the body of Christ for almost 400 years. During this time, and during its translation, Satan has viciously and relentlessly attacked it.

I now hear Christians attacking it too!

I've heard preachers and lay people say things like, "it's too hard to read" or "it doesn't properly reflect the true meaning of the original Greek". The issue about the original Greek sets my teeth on edge--which Greek, I mean WHICH ONE? There are Greek manuscripts galore.












Revelation 22:18-19, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


Proverbs 30:5-6, Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

 
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