What do the anti-war protestors make of this?

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Iraqis are rejoicing the demise of Saddam's evil regime.

The Daily Mirror was against the war from the start and instigated anti-war "Not In Our Name" marches throughout Britain. Now they are turncoats in the face of coalition victories and toning down their stance. :(

Can anti-war protestors still say that the war was still not justified?

 

 
 

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If you really truely cared about human kind and peoples freedom and rights I don't know how you could. How could you see the torture chambers that the regime used and not be filled with joy that no one will ever, ever have to die in such a place again. How dare they say that this war was about oil and money. Now we are finding out that the so called peaceful nations such as France, Russia etc... have been profiting from the Saddam regime for years. No wonder they wanted to keep us out. To them their oil contracts and weapon contracts are more important than the Iraqi peoples freedom and lives. I think that is THE BIGGEST crime of all and I wish the protesters would start protesting that.
 
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Hey Webboffin,

Here in the US, support for the war and our president is up to around 77% now. It has gone up since the war has started. How about over there in England? Have you noticed that things have changed since the war has started? What do the majority of Brits think?

Thanks :)
 
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Today at 01:46 PM Taffsadar said this in Post #5

I'm still staying by my point. We could have spent the money better in other places.


That is the coldest thing I have heard. What would you tell those Iraqis? Their freedom isnt worth the money? Is sweden flipping the bill for this war? You cant put a price on someones freedom. :(
 
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Today at 01:55 PM HGOtis said this in Post #6 




Is sweden flipping the bill for this war?  :(


You make a valid point, is Sweden paying for the war? No, US and the UK are paying for much of the war themselves and for countries that are playing a minor role if any at all should not tell the countries that are how to best spend their money.
 
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Ok, so when is the US going after Syria, Iran, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, China, North Korea, the list can go on... They are all guilty of violations of human rights.

If the US is going to give itself right to go to war to "liberate" oppressed people i expect to see US troops in those countries aswell, otherwise that position is nothing but hypocrisy!
 
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Today at 04:23 PM Religious Crisis said this in Post #7

You make a valid point, is Sweden paying for the war? No, US and the UK are paying for much of the war themselves and for countries that are playing a minor role if any at all should not tell the countries that are how to best spend their money.

I think that the plan was for Iraq to pay for the war. At least they will tap into the oil pipe to get the fuel they need to transport the troops&nbsp;around.&nbsp; We may have to pay for the bombs.
 
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I could be wrong, but I don't think this whoel thing is about money. ;)

Ok, so yeah. Since all these other countries are bad too, let's just not start ever. Let's just ignore it all.

:confused: That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Should we not have fought in the World Wars, too? We fought in those for a reason... or, for many reasons. Heh.

I read something interesting in a little Christian periodical thingy we get. Did anti-war protestors protest when IRAQ invaded some country? Not really. But they protested when we tried to stop that.

So... other countries can fight all the way, but if we ever try to intervene, that's bad... ?

Look what that mentality did - Germany got huge and ta da, a world power that had no morals and wanted to kill of all "inferior" people... I'm not entirely sure, but I think we PROBABLY could have intervened BEFORE that happened and prevented such a big war. Perhaps. Just speculation, but the point is still there, hehe.

I don't think anyone really is arguing that the war isn't justified morally, by the way. I haven't heard many people try to say that now. Heh.

Money spent better - America uses money for all the wrong places. Military is one place where people constantly try to cut spending in America. I find it interesting that the economy had a problem right after the former president William Clinton, who was everthing the democrats want.... and after all the good programs, where did it leave us? An economic recession...

I think this is probably some of the best spent money by the US in a while ;) hehe
 
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Comparing Saddam to Hitler just doesn't cut it, and never has. Stop repeating the same tired fallacies. (How will they turn that around, I wonder)

World War II was an all-or-nothing war. Hitler and Tojo really could have taken over the world. Saddam collapsed in three weeks, and we all knew it wouldn't take long. Saddam doesn't kill minorities because they're minorities, he kills them because as LARGE groups they could rise up and possibly overthrow him. Again, Saddam is NOT Hitler, and insinuating that is a pretty lame analogy.
 
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actually I wasn't trying to say he was Hitler. I think he's definitely like him ;) What I am saying is that the same general principle holds true.... we hsouldn't wait until Hussein becomes a BIGGER problem than he is now. I think we people had seen Hitler for what he was, and stopped him sooner, there would not have been such bloodshed.

And so, I think, if we stop Hussein (having seen him for what he is, or was), we will save a lot of blood from being shed.

I was not trying to say he was exactly like Hitler or anything. There are similarities though. And to Stalin, Mao Tse ... Tung? Tong? can never spell the last one :D ... etc... inhumane things :p
 
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Yesterday at 04:44 PM HGOtis said this in Post #3

Hey Webboffin,

Here in the US, support for the war and our president is up to around 77% now. It has gone up since the war has started. How about over there in England? Have you noticed that things have changed since the war has started? What do the majority of Brits think?

Thanks :)

The polls are beginning to turn around here. People that were initially against the war before it started are now more supportive of our PM Tony Blair and his handling of the war because of the successes.

http://www.mori.com/digest/2003/c030408.shtml

This is a Mori poll on April 5th

Come to think of it I have not heard much of protest rallies lately either.
 
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Yesterday at 10:43 PM Jutsuka said this in Post #8

Ok, so when is the US going after Syria, Iran, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, China, North Korea, the list can go on... They are all guilty of violations of human rights.

If the US is going to give itself right to go to war to "liberate" oppressed people i expect to see US troops in those countries aswell, otherwise that position is nothing but hypocrisy!


So you suggest we close our eyes to everything bad happening in the world? USA cannot do the impossible but tries to do what it can when it can. Unlike the UN which has been dragging it feet lately.

In fact Iraq is not the only country US has dealt with for human rights breaches and uses many diplomatic/sanctioning&nbsp;ways in punishing offending countries. With Saddam diplomacy and sanctions clearly did nothing&nbsp;except for him to&nbsp;turn it against his own people. Saddam also ruled in a part of the world which is very volatile and he was a great danger to not only the Iraqis but also his neighbours and chiefly Isreal. North Korea we will have to wait and see what will happen.

At the moment lots of people are glad to see the end of Saddam Hussein and his evil regime&nbsp;gone for good. That is worth rejoicing in itself and millions of people especially the Iraqis are going to enjoy this&nbsp;dawn of liberation regardless of&nbsp;the scepticisms&nbsp;of the few that didn't care about the Iraqi plight.
 
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Yesterday at 02:43 PM Jutsuka said this in Post #8

Ok, so when is the US going after Syria, Iran, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, China, North Korea, the list can go on... They are all guilty of violations of human rights.

If the US is going to give itself right to go to war to "liberate" oppressed people i expect to see US troops in those countries aswell, otherwise that position is nothing but hypocrisy!
Wellp, Jutsuka, the old term is "You've got to pick your fights". Even as brain washed by liberal media sources, as you appear, I'm sure there is some comprehension to the above quotation. You can ad "don't tread on me" to that as well. Anyhoot you seem to have left Sweden off your li’ll list there. :mad: :D

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That's not the point, the reasons for this war was the fear of Saddams WMD:s, that was stated over and over again.

Now that it begins to seem unlikely a "smoking gun" will be found the White House has changed it's tune in an orwellian manner of doublethink and are saying that the WMD:s are not even important what's important is
that the US has "liberated" the Iraqi people. No country can give itself the right to invade another soveriegn nation on those reasons, that is nothing but "might makes right".

"you have to pick your fights", wich in this case means beat up on the dictator that doesn't have nukes... Thats why North Korea is a "diplomatic situation"... What message does that send to other "rouge nations"? Get nukes fast or you're next?

And as for Sweden being on that list, I enjoy a greater amount of freedom than you ever will. We rank higher than the US in all aspects of human rights. And I haven't been "brainwashed by liberal media sources" but you have clearly watch to much FOX News, that stuff will rot your brain...

What is wrong with being a liberal anyway, can someon please explain that to me?
 
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