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The Same Condemnation As The Devil

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I was reading this passage from 1 Timothy in a study of pride and its effects.

1 Timothy 3:1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of an overseer, he desires a good work. 2 An overseer then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);
6 not a novice, lest
being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Can a man of God, who by reason of pride fall into reproach unto the same condemnation as the devil still be saved, or is that same condemnation the lake of fire? I did note the word 'same' is italicized, not in the original or in the King James.
 
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Can a man of God, who by reason of pride fall into reproach unto the same condemnation as the devil still be saved, or is that same condemnation the lake of fire? I did note the word 'same' is italicized, not in the original or in the King James.
I don't think so because God knows our sinful nature. I was prideful and selfish in my youth and reaped what I sowed as far as my family was concerned. He provided a guidebook NT to show each one of us how to act with one another. The older I get the more I understand.
 
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I don't think so because God knows our sinful nature. I was prideful and selfish in my youth and reaped what I sowed as far as my family was concerned. He provided a guidebook NT to show each one of us how to act with one another. The older I get the more I understand.
Note that the context is someone desiring to be a leader of others in pride, and without qualification. Therefore, they are no longer just working out their own salvation, they are imposing on others, which is condemned in the prophets also.
Ezekiel 34:
17 ‘And as for you, O My flock, thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I shall judge between sheep and sheep, between rams and goats. 18 Is it too little for you to have eaten up the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture—and to have drunk of the clear waters, that you must foul the residue with your feet? 19 And as for My flock, they eat what you have trampled with your feet, and they drink what you have fouled with your feet.”

20 ‘Therefore thus says the Lord God to them: “Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. 21 Because you have pushed with side and shoulder, butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, 22 therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them—My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.
 
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6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
The result of failing to apply this teaching

was costly for the early church in Jerusalem.


Acts 6:

3 Therefore, brethren, seek out from among you seven men

of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom,

whom we may appoint over this business;

4 but we will give ourselves continually to prayer

and to the ministry of the word.

5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude.

And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit,

and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas,

and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch,

6 whom they set before the apostles; and when they had prayed,

they laid hands on them.

Revelation 2:

6
But this you have, that you hate the deeds

of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine

of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
 
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I was reading this passage from 1 Timothy in a study of pride and its effects.
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6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Can a man of God, who by reason of pride fall into reproach unto the same condemnation as the devil still be saved, or is that same condemnation the lake of fire? I did note the word 'same' is italicized, not in the original or in the King James.
One of the first and most difficult observation is this:

There are 2 separate and distinct parties involved. Man and devil. Not the same parties.

Can one dominate the other? Yes. And it goes both ways for all of us.

Sometimes the devil wins. Sometimes we win.

It was never a one or the other question
 
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One of the first and most difficult observation is this:

There are 2 separate and distinct parties involved. Man and devil. Not the same parties.

Can one dominate the other? Yes. And it goes both ways for all of us.

Sometimes the devil wins. Sometimes we win.

It was never a one or the other question
The condemnation of the devil is foretold.
Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them,
was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where
the beast and the false prophet are.
And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

By humility man can avoid becoming an enemy of God
and taking part in the devil's fate.
James 4:

4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that
friendship with the world is enmity with God?
Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world
makes himself an enemy of God.
5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain,
“The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
7 Therefore submit to God.
Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify
your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament and mourn and weep!
Let your laughter be turned to mourning
and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord,
and He will lift you up.
 
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