Sheep/Goat Jgmt works reward? Hmmm?

This doesn't answer your question, but it is an article looking at this passage from the point of view that works do count (not that salvation can in any way be earned by works, but that works play a part).

http://stmarycoptorthodox.org/10-the day of the lord.htm

not quite 1/2 way down the page, starting right under the page number 8 that got accidentally left in when it was put on the web.

from: http://stmarycoptorthodox.org/intor-abomination_of_desolation-introduction.htm

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What's your basis for saying those judged (sheep/goats) are non-Christians? I thought that most Christians believed that everyone's bodies would be ressurected, and then they'd go through this jugment?

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Before conversion we cannot obey God and are clothed with filthy rags. Works cannot justify us. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ...

After being justified by Christ and receiving Christ into our lives at conversion, now it becomes possible and necessary to obey. No more filthy rags. We have fine linen - the righteousness of the saints. God looks at our works and expects us to do them. We are created for that purpose. Now He writes His law in our hearts and we obey Him.

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

John 8:11...Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Heb 8:10 ...I will write my laws into their hearts...

 

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<FONT color=#0000ff>Matt. 25:1-13

Issue of Investigation: Need for extra oil.

Point of Division: Separation at time of bridegrooms coming - go out to meet Him. Based on having oil.

Classes separated: Wise and foolosh virgins.

Results of Separation: Wise go into the marriage; the foolish are shut out forever.
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Matt. 25:14-30

Means of Investigation: Use of the talents.

Point of Division: Time of giving account. </FONT>

Classes separated: Faithful and unfaithful servants.

Results of Separation: Entering the joy of thy Lord, or being cast into outer darkness.
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Matt. 25:31-46

Means of Investigation: Course of action pursued in life.

Point of Division: Coming of the King.

Classes separated: Sheep and goats.

Results of Separation: Everlasting punishment or life eternal.
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Matt. 22:1-14

Means of Investigation: Invitation, and inspection of guests

Point of Division: Separation first based on response to invitation. Second separation based on having on a wedding garment.

Classes separated: First those who rejected the invitation; second, those who had not the wedding garment.

Results of Separation: Bound hand and foot and cast into outer darkness.
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Matt. 13:24-30 (37-43)

Means of Investigation: Gathering of tares, then the wheat. Separation based on being a wheat or a tare.

Point of Division: Harvest.

Classes separated: Wheat and tares.

Results of Separation: Tares bound into bundles to be burned; wheat gathered into barn.
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Matt. 13:47-50

Means of Investigation: Examining for good and bad.

Point of Division: Separation at gathering in to the shore of the net.

Classes separated: Based on good or bad.

Results of Separation: Good put into vessels; bad cast away.
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Matt. 7:24-27 (Lk. 6:46-49)

Means of Investigation: Foundation examined by storm of rain, flood, and wind.

Point of Division: Distinction between two houses at time of storm based on different foundations.

Classes separated: House on sand; house on the rock.

Results of Separation: House on sand had a great fall.
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Matt. 7:13,14

Means of Investigation: Straitness and narrowness.

Point of Division: Separation at the gate.

Classes separated: Those who find the narrow way.

Results of Separation: Broad gate leads to destruction.
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Mark 13:34-37

Means of Investigation: Admonition to be prepared for the coming of the Master who is on a journey. Warning against sleeping. Watch for His coming.

Point of Division: Return of the master.

Classes separated: Those who are sleeping and those who are watching.

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Luke 12:35-48

Means of Investigation: Preparation and expectation of the Master's return.

Point of Division: The arrival of the Master when He knocks.

Classes separated: Separation between faithful and unfaithful.

Results of Separation: Wicked servant cut asunder. Commendation of those who are ready when the Master comes.
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Luke 14:16-24

Means of Investigation: Separation based on heeding invitation.

Point of Division: Made at time of supper.

Classes separated: Those who neglected the invitation, and those who accepted it.

Results of Separation: None of those first invited were to taste of the supper.
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Rev. 14:6-14

Means of Investigation: Rejecting or embracing the messages.

Point of Division: Hearing the message; and worship of the beast and his image.

Classes separated: Separation between those who heed each message, and finally receive either the mark or the seal.

Results of Separation: Tormented in the presence of the Lamb.
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you know a Christian by their works. It's not the works that save, but they're the evidence of their faith.

What's the charateristic of the sheep's life? Obedience. They repented. They're saved.

What's the chatactersitic of the goat's life? Disobedience. They never repented, they were never saved.

To illustrate this, there is another parable like this one where it says, "and many will say, Lord, Lord, did we not cast out demons in Your name...." etc.... those were works! good works! even done in the LORD'S name! but what does Christ tell them? "I never knew you.."

This is an interesting subject, and certainly one of much debate, but I will give it a shot.

Man, made in the image of God, is composed of three parts, spirit, soul, and body.&nbsp;

The spirit of a man is composed of Communion(with God, which is dead from birth as a result of Adam's fall), Intuition, and Conscience.

The soul of man is composed of Mind, Will, and Emotion.

And, of course, the body of man is his flesh.

When a man is born again, he&nbsp;receives the Holy Spirit, which indwells, his human spirit and the two become one, as it is written;

1 Corinthians 6:17 - But <B>he that is joined</B> unto the Lord is one spirit

It is man's spirit that is saved when one is born again.&nbsp; This salvation is eternal, and the free gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.&nbsp;

Believers will receive resurrection bodies or be raptured etc, at the appropriate time.&nbsp;

The parables such as the man that built his house on sand or rock, the parable of the four soils, etc, ie the parables that discuss works, are speaking of the SOUL, not the born again human spirit.&nbsp; Being born again is only the beginning, not the goal of the faith.

Faith, itself, is God's gift, as it is written;

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that <B>not of yourselves</B>: it is the gift of God:

IE, you are saved by grace, because of the gift of faith, which God gives you.

The goal of your faith is as follows;

&nbsp;1 Peter 1:9 - Receiving the end of your faith, even the <B>salvation of your souls</B>.

Everyone likes the aforementioned verse from Ephesians, but usually stop short of mentioning verse 10 from the same chapter as follows;

<SUP>10</SUP> For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Paul describes, in great detail, various types of works of believers and what will become of the works, as follows;

1Cor3:1&nbsp; And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. <SUP>2</SUP> I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. <SUP>3</SUP> For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? <SUP>4</SUP> For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? <SUP>5</SUP> Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? <SUP>6</SUP> I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. <SUP>7</SUP> So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. <SUP>8</SUP> Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. <SUP>9</SUP> For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. <SUP>10</SUP> According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. <SUP>11</SUP> For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. <SUP>12</SUP> Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; <SUP>13</SUP> Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. <SUP>14</SUP> If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. <SUP>15</SUP> If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Notice, that Paul is writing to carnal BELIEVERS.&nbsp; These are believers, but they are not mature.&nbsp; The entire cosmic battle between God and the adversary, is over who will control the&nbsp;WILL of men.&nbsp; We stand before the tree of knowlede of good and evil, and the tree of life.&nbsp; There is no middle road.&nbsp; One is life and one is death.&nbsp;&nbsp;Our goal as believers is to become spiritual, not fleshly or carnal.&nbsp; This is accomplished over time, not instantaneously.&nbsp;&nbsp;It is the byproduct of practicing the faith daily,&nbsp;following the&nbsp;Spirit, not the flesh.&nbsp;&nbsp;

Paul&nbsp;makes this&nbsp;statement to the church&nbsp;at Rome;

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye <B>transformed</B> by the renewing of your MIND, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

Renew your mind with the washing of the water of the WORD.&nbsp; The WORD will lead you into good works.&nbsp; The good works will, at first, be conscious decisions and actions on your part.&nbsp; But, eventually, through the constant practice of good works, you will be changed, transformed even, until works of the flesh are more foreign to you than works of the Spirit.&nbsp; Holiness is not a gift, it is an attribute that is cultivated, gaurded, and maintained.&nbsp; For it is said of the bride;

Revelation 19:7 - Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath <B>made herself ready</B>.&nbsp;

&nbsp;On a parting note, if you will look closely at the last part of the long quote from 1 Corinthians, ie, this,

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


you will notice that the WORKS are consumed, yet the individual, is SAVED.&nbsp; The part that says "yet so as by fire", we will leave for another discussion.

Heya Pistos,

You wrote;

Results of Separation: Wise go into the marriage; the foolish are shut out forever

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What verse is it that says they are shut out forever?

Heya Ephod,

I believe the judgement of the sheep and the goats to take place in Rev20, just not at the great white throne, but at the point in time when satan is bound for 1000 years prior to the great white throne.&nbsp; The sheep continue to live on the earth, after armageddon and the glorious coming, for 1000 years, prior to the great white throne.&nbsp; If you want, I can go deeper as to why I think so, possibly on a new thread or something?

It is implied that they are shut out forever. There is no indication otherwise.

Pistos, can you list the specific verses to which you are referring please?

Can you?