Baptist Theology

Ed you've called us names so many times before, so remove the log from your own eye before seeing the speck in anyone else's. And of course Satan's days are short, but that has nothing to do with me. I'll be in Heaven.

The Rapture and once saved always saved are NOT basic tenants of the Christian religion. They are basic tenents of Fundamentalist denominations, but not of the religion as a whole. Most Christians and churches do not buy into those two ideas.

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So only fundies are OSAS. I find your statement to be narrow minded. I am OSAS myself and I am not fundie.

I didn't say Fundamentalists, I said Fundamentalist denominations. You attend a fundamentalist denomination, do you not? Baptist, right? So you've been indoctrinated into OSAS, even though it is an idea totally foreign to the historic Christian faith.

I attend an SBC church, yes, but not all Baptist churches believe the exact same things. Some are fundy but not mine. And I have been taught OSAS, sure.

Pearl, you sak what is Baptist "theology" right? Well I am a "Christian" baptized in the S.B. church, and was raised in a different Baptist church than I was Baptized in. I am an ordained Baptist preacher, and have fellowshipped in many different churches, and everyone that I have beenassociated with believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of GOD, and that the Bible is the authority, and not some church organization. We don't believe that the church is the athorty, nor do we believe that the church wrote the Bible, like is taught by the catholic church. I read on somne of these post that we are not a loving group of Christians, because we believe the things the Bible teach are sin, to be sin. The difference where we place authority is where the big difference in Baptist, and "most" protestant come in between us, and other religions such as catholic, and some others. We do believe that the Bible teaches that if you are ever "really saved" that you can't loose that salvation. If you could, GOD would be a liar; and He certainly is no liarJohn 10:27-29
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.(KJV))
Then we believe that salvation comes as a "finished work" of Jesus Christ on the cross, and comes from GOD'S grace apart from "any" work on our partEph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.)(KJV)

With the love of Jesus Christ.

Cartholicism is not another religion. It has far more claim to the term "Christian" than any Baptist sect ever will.

Originally posted by AlphaPhi


The Rapture and once saved always saved are NOT basic tenants of the Christian religion. They are basic tenents of Fundamentalist denominations, but not of the religion as a whole. Most Christians and churches do not buy into those two ideas.

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Alpha, judgeing from your posts, I wouldn;t hold you to any credibility when saying what is and is not christian.. nor do I think anyone else should, speaking as an admin of this board, of coarse.

Originally posted by AlphaPhi
I didn't say Fundamentalists, I said Fundamentalist denominations. You attend a fundamentalist denomination, do you not? Baptist, right? So you've been indoctrinated into OSAS, even though it is an idea totally foreign to the historic Christian faith.

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I'm curious as to what the difference is.

Pearl.....

I would like to add one important thing to the Baptist beliefs.. People are saying the Baptist believe in immersion - which is correct- but they believe its obedience to God's command.. to be baptised after you accept Christ as saviour - the Baptist do not believe or teach that you MUST be Baptised to be saved... Only the blood of Christ can save you..

also - you asked HOW to know - Most if not all Baptist Churches have a CHURCH Covenant.. the covanant pretty much spells out what that church believes in and follows... I have been in a Baptist church for many years now and was off and on before that - you need to look at the over all Doctrine they look into .. every individual person within the church may interpret the Word differently when it comes to legalistic items...

but the Church as a Whole have the same core belief system .. CHRIST and His Dieing on the cross for our sins - risen on the third day - ascended to heaven to sit at the fathers side... ALL HAVE sinned and fallen short of the Glory of GOD... the Road to Salvation....

Take care - God Bless.... Remember - ask the Pastor of the Church you attend for thier Church Covenant...

Originally posted by AlphaPhi
I didn't say Fundamentalists, I said Fundamentalist denominations. You attend a fundamentalist denomination, do you not? Baptist, right? So you've been indoctrinated into OSAS, even though it is an idea totally foreign to the historic Christian faith.

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As a Protestant, I feel as though we are being misunderstood and bashed by such an anti-Fundamentalist post..... Please, make it stop.

John

all baptist churches do not believe once saved always saved. I was baptised in the freewill baptist church, though that does not make me a freewill baptist, I am a sinner saved gy grace. I believe you must live a certain way, according to Gods commandments. I also think that you name can be blotted out of The Lambs Book of Life, for leaving the faith. Yes we have a church doctrine, and we are a Bible believing church. We think it is the infallible word of God. Church doctrines, most of them are just man made rules. Like don't condone the use, or sell of alcohol, help one another, and so on. I will print a copy of our church doctrine tommorrow. It just lays ground for a pretty good way to live, and love each other.

Alpha, You know what! You call me a fundy, and yet neither of us believe once saved always saved!

All, Free Will Baptist do not believe in Eternal Security, but you can be Eternally Secure if you don't become an apostate.

Thread owner, I suggest you go to your pastor and ask for the church articles of faith. He will provide you a copy as well as the official doctrine.

Concerning purely theological matters, Reformed Baptist are the most uniform among the different churches. A true Reformed Baptist church(possibly labeled as Southern Baptist, but with Reformed doctrines) will almost always take the five points of Calvinism into consideration in its doctrinal beliefs.

Baptists have varied beliefs. this is due mainly because of church governement which is a major difference between it and other denominations. Most Baptist churches have a very democratic form of church goverment. Almost everythng is voted on in the church by the church. We have business meetings where the whole church is invited and we all vote.

It is hard for me to describe but in Baptist theology each local church is autnomous. There is not a denomination head telling it what to do or what to believe. Now if a church gets way away from what the denomination believes it might be not fellowshipped with but it is not shut down.

for example the Unniversity Baptist church here in my town ordained some gay deacons. The Baptist association from my city disfellowshipped with them because of this. See both the denominational head and the local church is autonomous. But i want to say that there was many a debate about whether the association should do this because of our belief that the local church is autonomous.

Also we believe that every believer is a priest. Following Peter's own lead we say that we are all part of a holy priesthood. So we do not need priest to intercede for us and God. So the focus is taken off the church and onto the individual. I as an individual have the right to interpret scripture. The local church guides me but I can interpret it for myself.

Another main belief of Baptist is baptism by immersion. Most if not all Baptsits believe this.

Okay since the 1st 2 beiefs (individuals and local churches can decide their own beliefs) is true then Baptist churches have a more varied set of beliefs. I can walk into a church and pretty much say what they believe but no one is forcing them to be so strict in their beliefs.

I hope this helped and not confused things.

blackhawk

Hi, this is my first post ever, so please bear with me.

I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, but I do not believe He meant it to be used as a "textbook".

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does this automatically update?

I came to this forum because I work with a Baptist "fundamentalist" and I'm trying to understand his reasoning better...however, I'm not sure there's much reasoning going on. Certainly a lot of repeating cliches, etc...

Linda, in order to find out his reasoning you need to ask him. If he's only spouting cliches than perhaps he doesn't know what his reasoning is.....OR perhaps he really agrees with them, but he just doesn't yet know how to articulate them in his own words. Believe me, I hear alot of cliches too, but it's usually because we agree with what is said.