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Recently I spoke to a guy that grew up in a Reformed Church which he still attends.  He broke down and share with me that he believers himself to be elected to hell.  He's not going to be saved.  Is there anyway to know? 

I didn't know what to say has anyone ever heard of this or had someone express the same view?

 

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Today at 06:31 PM SoccerAaron said this in Post #3

He believes in double predestination most likely. Which is, simply, that at the same time God predestined some to heaven he predestined some to hell. He must think he is in the latter.


 

That is what I was getting at.  In Calvinist thought can you know you are going to hell?
 
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I don't think you can know that you are going to hell because we cannot see the future. Let's say a person that's gone to the church his whole life never believed in Christ. This person will know that he is on the way to hell unless something changes. This person however could be saved later in life. He then would be one of the choosen ones that God will take with him and will not go to hell. This person knew they were on the way to hell but God saved them. So my answer is no you cannot know that you are destined to hell but yes you can know that if something doesn't change in your life you will go to hell.
 
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Today at 03:21 PM Gideon4God said this in Post #4




 

That is what I was getting at.  In Calvinist thought can you know you are going to hell?

I would say that if he is sincerely worried he should not be. The elect yearn for Christ and desire to serve and please Him. If he is feeling out of sorts or is feeling convicted of sin and is worried about his salvation, he is most likely saved and going through a difficult time. There are many factors that could come into play concerning these feelings such as age, circumstance, etc.

The unsaved don't truly believe in God or hell. It is easy to say you believe, but without salvation TRUE belief is impossible. Thus, the thought of him not being elect would not be a concern for him. Am I making sense?

PM me and I will give you my email address. I would love it if you had him email me. I am an Elder in my church (reformed) and work with our youth quite a bit as well as teaching Sunday School. If he is willing to email me I would like to offer my help and prayer.
 
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Yesterday at 06:45 PM Gideon4God said this in Post #1

Recently I spoke to a guy that grew up in a Reformed Church which he still attends.  He broke down and share with me that he believers himself to be elected to hell.  He's not going to be saved.  Is there anyway to know? 



Your friend has misconcieved the idea behind predestination. We do know that there are two groups... those destined for heaven, and those destined for hell... however, you only really learn which group you are in once you get there or have God reveal it to you :) Only God can open our eyes to see the truth that God loves them and has sent Jesus to die for all men... yes all men. Those who accept that then are opened to the relization that you are one of the saved elect.

Only God knows the final outcome of everyone's life. Your friend should know that Satan is trying to twist his knowledge into a curse (kinda like what he did with Jesus in the desert... twisting the goodness of God)

Jesus died for all men and the underlying basis is that some people will believe that and some people won't. Those who do are saved.

Does that make any sense? I hope so... have a great day!
 
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Yesterday at 04:45 PM Gideon4God said this in Post #1

Recently I spoke to a guy that grew up in a Reformed Church which he still attends.  He broke down and share with me that he believers himself to be elected to hell.  He's not going to be saved.  Is there anyway to know? 

I didn't know what to say has anyone ever heard of this or had someone express the same view?

 

Gideon

Only the saved have a true desire to please God.  So, if your friend truly desires to be obedient to God then my guess would be he is fine.  As Gabe said maybe he is wrestling with something and it has him feeling like he'll never overcome it so he must think that means he's not saved or he's predestined to hell.  If you'd like tell him to feel free to email me as well.

God bless,

Don
 
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Today at 01:43 PM sbbqb7n16 said this in Post #8

Jesus died for all men and the underlying basis is that some people will believe that and some people won't. Those who do are saved.

I don't believe Jesus died for all men.  Does that mean that you think I'm not saved? :scratch: :confused:
 
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I don't believe Jesus died for all men.  Does that mean that you think I'm not saved?

I know this was inteded for someone else - but Im gonna sneak in if you do not mind.

I belong to a Refromed church - however am not a Calvinist (shock!!! :eek: ).

Regardless - if someone were to tell me I am going to Hell because I do not stand on all 5 points of T.U.L.I.P....that would be heresy. In the same way...regardless of whether the attonment was for the elect or all people - you, my friend (Reformationalist) are saved. I can tell simply by the fruits you display.

I am not Arminian either BTW....Can i be a 3 point Calvy?.....lol

HTD
 
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Today at 03:53 PM HopeTheyDance said this in Post #12

you, my friend (Reformationalist) are saved. I can tell simply by the fruits you display.

Well thank you.  Unfortunately, sometimes my "fruit" is pretty rotten. :D  

I am not Arminian either BTW....Can i be a 3 point Calvy?.....lol

HTD

Which points don't you agree with?

God bless,

Don
 
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This is a simple question that is not being answered simply. Your friend is simply very confused and deceived. Whoever gave him such a silly notion.

Your friends first concern should not be with elestion but rather with salvation. The Bible is very very clear about that, and oh yes you can know NOW if you are going to Heaven, and you do not have to wait to stand before God to hear "His decision" about that.

John 3:16 PLAINLY says "Whosoever". That means your friend also.
Romans 10:9,10 also applies to your friend, as does every other verse pertaining to salvation.

It is not a matter of God's choice, it is a matter of your friends choice.

It it by Grace through FAITH we are saved, and that is open to WHOEVER.

Titus 3:5: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"

Romans 4:5: "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

The Bible is clear that we ae saved by His Grace and our Faith. Your friend needs only to exercise that Faith, without doubting. In order to do that all he has to do is BELIEVE God's Word and not some man's silly idea. Salvation is not complicated. God has made simple enough for a child to understand.

Once you have exercised that faith there are many verses that ASSURE one of salvation. I have written on over 100 verses that assure you of salvation.

Jesus said, in John 11:36: "And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall NEVER die." My friend THAT is eternal life, and that only applies to those who go to Heaven.

Romans 6:23 says: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Once you have exercised your Faith in Jesus Christ you receive the gift of ETERNAL LIFE offered through the finished work of Jesus.

I Peter 1:23: "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
Note that when we are born again, we are born of INCORRUPTIBLE seed that lives forever.

I Peter 1:4: "To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Once you are born again there is an inheritance reserved for you in Heaven. How pray tell could you collect that inheritance in hell?

You see it is just a simple matter of BELIEVING God. To many liars and deceivers are busy filling heads with non sense that does NOT come from God's Word.

If you are alive you can be saved simply by accepting the Gift of salvation offered to "WHOSOEVER" by His Grace through FAITH.

I John 5:13: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

***Notice that in the above verse it plainly says that you may K-N-O-W that you H-A-V-E ETERNAL LIFE.

Again the choice is up to each individual. Either you will believe God or believe a deceiver who is a liar, because God CANNOT lie.

Titus 1:2: "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"

You see the old addage we have all heard is appropriate here. "The proof is in the pudding" In other words, by exercising your free will choice to accept Jesus as your personal Saviour, you have the PROOF that you are indeed one of God's elect.

Jesus PLAINLY said: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37

Simply come in simple faith. Did God lie? Did Jesus lie? Or was it satan, the father of lies, that has deceived your friend?
 
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Gerry,

Please don't turn this into a debate, that was not the intention of the original poster I'm sure. The person in question is a reformed believer. You pointing out why you think that is an incorrect position will only serve to further confuse.

I will delete any further posts that become debate. This is not the place, start a new thread and invite us all and I'll load up with ammo and gladly join in.
 
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