The Liberals fall with Saddam!
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The marines are the real hero of this war. No one forced them to fight. When they came up against resistance their commanders told them to stop and wait. So there they sat in the middle of the dessert, with NOTHING to do. They wanted to fight this war. The last thing they wanted to do was to sit down in the middle of the dessert and do nothing.
The Iraqis had to hold a gun to the head of their soldiers, they had to threaten their family, in order to get them to fight. Because they did not want to fight, they would have been glad to sit down and do nothing.
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Today at 06:42 AM webboffin said this in Post #14
Correction the BBC did show the wonderous event of the statue falling on TV I saw it here in England
Yes, I watched it as well. I think the BBC was focussing on it for over 7 hours. Some amazing coverage.
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Today at 01:48 AM Auntie said this in Post #20
I'd believe anything Shep has to say, I think it's those eye-lashes.
Grandpas like me don't pay any attention at all to Shep. Nobody tells the complete truth like that tall blonde lady. My son and his mates on the Nimitz count on her for all their news.
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Thanks, I will relay the message in my next email to him. Being able to send and receive email from time to time is a big plus for the Navy. It's a shame that the other branches of service don't have some way to communicate with their families. There are times the email is shut down for security reasons, but we can usually send and receive email 3 or 4 times a week.
My son and I both know the real heroes are on the ground and in the air, but all branches should be proud of a job well done.
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Gordi, actually I congratulate you for not taking a stance. If you do not know enough or do not feel able to take a position on a subject, don't. Many people (including Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle, Jimmy Carter, and Mike Farrell) take a viewpoint without having facts to back it, and in the end cause damage because they were wrong. So good job Gordi!
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Hey there, now that's a good post!
Thanks for not taking a part in the demonization of the left.
500 blessing points to you m'lady.
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Auntie
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Everyone serving in the middle east is a hero, imo.
I'm so glad you can communicate with your son thru email, cool! Tell your son "hi" for me, and I hope he gets to come home soon. My dad was a Navy guy too, in WWII.
Grandpas like me don't pay any attention at all to Shep. Nobody tells the complete truth like that tall blonde lady. My son and his mates on the Nimitz count on her for all their news.
You must be talking about Ms. Lori Dew! Yeah, all the guys are crazy about her. Have you noticed how she makes eyes at that old Marine Col. Hunt?
It's a wonder he's able to stay focused on the reporting, must be the Marine training kicking in.
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Just for chigrins lets look at some of the Original Posters claims line by line:
"Saddam does not have weapons of mass destruction."
Everyone in America and abroad knows he has weapons of mass destruction because it was the right who paved the way for him to buy them from American companies and how to make and use them.
"The people want Saddam in power."
This is ridiculous, I cant think of anyone who wants a known mass murdering psycho in power, wait a minute, unless you count the right who once again helped him become more powerful by selling him the WMD.
"We cannot win this war."
This is ridiculous again, cant see anyone making this claim. We are the lone super power and they are already a decimated third world nation with bad management. Nevertheless, the premise of this war is about keeping America safe and thats the measure of victory.
"Saddam does not support terrorists."
Heck, the list of those who support terrorism is so long its ridiculous, with our friend Saudi Arabia, making Saddam look like a wannabe supporter. As far as a Government, it was the left who rightfully declared Saddam a terrorist under Carter, and the right who decided remove the title and support him, i.e., they supported a terrorist.
We as American need to step away from this right -vs- left we're right and you're wrong madness. As long as this mindset exists, if our leaders to do wrong, then in support it means that *we* are wrong, and they are defended by their supporters no matter what, because after all no one whats to be wrong. It is non productive as ever . All Bush is doing is cleaning up the mess the right helped to create in the first place. Besides in this gleeful celebration of vindication of positions in of all things a *war* isn't maliciously boasting a show of pride, isn't that one of the seven deadly sins?
These attiudes most change or else nothing gets done, kind of like congress and judge appointments today.
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"Saddam does not have weapons of mass destruction."
Everyone in America and abroad knows he has weapons of mass destruction because it was the right who paved the way for him to buy them from American companies and how to make and use them.
"The people want Saddam in power."
This is ridiculous, I cant think of anyone who wants a known mass murdering psycho in power, wait a minute, unless you count the right who once again helped him become more powerful by selling him the WMD.
"We cannot win this war."
This is ridiculous again, cant see anyone making this claim. We are the lone super power and they are already a decimated third world nation with bad management. Nevertheless, the premise of this war is about keeping America safe and thats the measure of victory.
"Saddam does not support terrorists."
Heck, the list of those who support terrorism is so long its ridiculous, with our friend Saudi Arabia, making Saddam look like a wannabe supporter. As far as a Government, it was the left who rightfully declared Saddam a terrorist under Carter, and the right who decided remove the title and support him, i.e., they supported a terrorist.
We as American need to step away from this right -vs- left we're right and you're wrong madness. As long as this mindset exists, if our leaders to do wrong, then in support it means that *we* are wrong, and they are defended by their supporters no matter what, because after all no one whats to be wrong. It is non productive as ever . All Bush is doing is cleaning up the mess the right helped to create in the first place. Besides in this gleeful celebration of vindication of positions in of all things a *war* isn't maliciously boasting a show of pride, isn't that one of the seven deadly sins?
These attiudes most change or else nothing gets done, kind of like congress and judge appointments today.
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There are good lefties and bad lefties. I call them as I see them.
It's just worth saying that these dangerous viewpoints that were spurred forth by many liberal policy makers fell short, and ultimately fell down.
Did we give Saddam Hussein weapons of mass destruction? Yes, we did. We did that because it was the right thing to do then. He was our ally, he was a good guy. He was helping us against Iran. So we supported him. There was a time when we didn't support Britain. Does that mean we should not support them now? People change, situations change. What was right then is not right now. Should we chastise ourselves for our actions 25 years ago? No. It was a different world then. If we want to play this game then I think more appalling than the fact that we gave him weapons 25 years ago is that France, Syria, and Russia are currently giving him military tools, even with the strong UN sanctions (and people think the US is going against the UN!)
All those quotes that I mentioned were quotes directly put forth by members of the liberal left. If you think they are ridiculous, I truly agree! They are ridiculous because they do not go along with truth, reality, and history.
Let us not be prideful about the left being proved wrong (or anyone being proved wrong) but let us remember these things that have happened and think twice when we hear the next piece of liberal propoganda.
-Dr. Jonathan Morgan
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Today at 12:02 PM Auntie said this in Post #30
You must be talking about Ms. Lori Dew! Yeah, all the guys are crazy about her. Have you noticed how she makes eyes at that old Marine Col. Hunt?
I'd get in trouble with my wife if I knew her name.
I'm told that Ms. Lori Dew gets a ton of email from Servicemen. It would cause a morale problem if she got sick and missed work one day. Maybe the old Marine Col. can't see very well or his wife makes him leave his glasses at home.
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This war is used by the Bush administration to garner conservative votes, by appealing to the Christian sense of dignity and freedom.
Do you guys really trust someone as crafty as George Bush?
Do you guys really trust someone as crafty as George Bush?
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Isn't it strange that these do not appear to be the arguments that those who are against the war actually made? What does your bible say about false witness?
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That is yet to be determined. I had two main arguments against the war:
1: That the US should not thumb it's nose against the rest of the world because it will hurt the US in the long run to bahave as a rogue superpower.
2: That the extra hate against the US in the rest of the middle east will generate more terrorism in the long run.
We have not yet seen the consequences of either of those two risks.
Do you really think that those who were against the war were against it because 1: they thought that the US would lose the war or 2: that they thought that Saddam was a good guy?
You trutly do not understand the arguments of those who are against the war if that's what you think. Really it's dishonest to misrepresent the positions of those with whom you disagree.
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Today at 03:07 PM 357magnum said this in Post #34
I'd get in trouble with my wife if I knew her name.
I'm told that Ms. Lori Dew gets a ton of email from Servicemen. It would cause a morale problem if she got sick and missed work one day. Maybe the old Marine Col. can't see very well or his wife makes him leave his glasses at home.
ROFL
Very true, very true. I think Lori is enjoying all the attention, I heard a Marine ask Rick Leventhal to get Lori's phone number for him.
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You must be kidding. I would first ask what we are voting for. Yes, I trust George Bush. What lies has he told?
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Hi Magnum,
The pace at which events are occuring are very questionable. There are several separate controversies that have occured in American politics contiguously:
1) The 2000 presidential election controversy. VP Al Gore leads the election polls by a hair for the entire process until the state of Florida supposedly seals the election for George Bush.
2) The 9-11 tragedy. Media attention is led away from the president's economic policy to his militaric policy. Bush's good status in the opinion of the public skyrockets.
3) The 2002 congressional election controversy. Senator Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota), a vocal antagonist of the Bush administration is killed in a plane crash. The republican party sweeps the congressional seats.
4) The war on terrorism. The United States begins bombing Afghanistan citizens, in hopes that one (?) will land on Osama bin-Laden. No updates on whether this objective was met. "Terrorism" is transposed onto Iraq as a possible hiding place for bin-Laden in January of 2002. By March of 2002, "terrorism" is weapons of mass destruction. By April of 2002, "terrorism" is a secondary issue and liberating Iraqis takes primacy.
5) The coincidence that all militaric turning points which "lead to" the Middle East -- including the fall of the Towers -- coincides with the Bush presidencies.
This is not all hunky-dory. As Christians, we know that fighting and bloodshed are not options to us. Our sword is our Bible, our tools for survival are faith, hope, and love. Honestly Christians, where is your love? The only way we will keep our lands secure and our freedoms in tact is by confronting the perversities in our global policy which enrage world citizens.
The pace at which events are occuring are very questionable. There are several separate controversies that have occured in American politics contiguously:
1) The 2000 presidential election controversy. VP Al Gore leads the election polls by a hair for the entire process until the state of Florida supposedly seals the election for George Bush.
2) The 9-11 tragedy. Media attention is led away from the president's economic policy to his militaric policy. Bush's good status in the opinion of the public skyrockets.
3) The 2002 congressional election controversy. Senator Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota), a vocal antagonist of the Bush administration is killed in a plane crash. The republican party sweeps the congressional seats.
4) The war on terrorism. The United States begins bombing Afghanistan citizens, in hopes that one (?) will land on Osama bin-Laden. No updates on whether this objective was met. "Terrorism" is transposed onto Iraq as a possible hiding place for bin-Laden in January of 2002. By March of 2002, "terrorism" is weapons of mass destruction. By April of 2002, "terrorism" is a secondary issue and liberating Iraqis takes primacy.
5) The coincidence that all militaric turning points which "lead to" the Middle East -- including the fall of the Towers -- coincides with the Bush presidencies.
This is not all hunky-dory. As Christians, we know that fighting and bloodshed are not options to us. Our sword is our Bible, our tools for survival are faith, hope, and love. Honestly Christians, where is your love? The only way we will keep our lands secure and our freedoms in tact is by confronting the perversities in our global policy which enrage world citizens.
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