How the US Ruling Class’ Plot Against Trump Woke A Sleeping American GiantThe Making of The Plot Against the President

It's cool the way right-wing propagandists take the mot du jour ("coup") and corrupt the meaning into something else entirely. It's "controlling the narrative" at which they are fairly successful.

Sounds like a great work of fiction.

Valletta said:

The media’s role in Russiagate was indispensable. First, it was the platform for the operation itself, with the FBI and others regularly leaking information to the press to prosecute the campaign against the president. Even more significantly, it gave the conspirators cover. Without the media generating enormous popular support for the Trump plot, there is little chance a small cadre of spies would have risked their reputation, their liberty, and maybe their lives by attempting a coup against an American president. But had they, the criminals would have been isolated, discovered, betrayed by colleagues fearful of finding themselves also caught in the dragnet, denied access to the US public in front of whom they might plead their case, and buried in a black hole.

If that scenario, an America without media, sounds implausible, these are precisely the conditions that the Biden Justice Department has invoked to frame January 6 defendants as “insurrectionists” and win convictions for charges like “seditious conspiracy.” The political and national security establishment has imposed a media blackout so that the public at large is unaware that the Joe Biden White House has turned the law into a weapon to destroy its political opponents.

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I've dealt extensively with the media and the intelligence agencies and I am sad to say this is the way they too often work together. A concise and accurate summary of what happened.

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A lie that slanders others is a negative energy that Christians refer to as the spirit of the devil, and nothing good comes from it. It is historically documented when Trump started the Russia hoax by denying that Russia ever hacked the DNC to interfere in America's fair elections.

Here's Trump in continuous denial for over 3 years feeding the Russia hoax conspiracy that Russia never hacked the DNC server:

June 17 2016 Fox news reports:

Trump, for his part, isn’t buying the DNC explanation that this is the work of some nefarious outside hacker. “Much of it is false and/or entirely inaccurate,” he says in a statement. “We believe it was the DNC that did the ‘hacking’ as a way to distract from the many issues facing their deeply flawed candidate and failed party leader. Too bad the DNC doesn’t hack Crooked Hillary’s 33,000 missing emails.”

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Feb. 16, 2017 Trump tweet:
The Democrats had to come up with a story as to why they lost the election, and so badly (306), so they made up a story - RUSSIA. Fake news!


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July 16, 2018, Trump at Helsinki:

Trump:
So let me just say that we have two thoughts. You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven’t they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the democratic national committee? I’ve been wondering that. I’ve been asking that for months and months and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server and what is the server saying? With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others and said they think it’s Russia.

I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this. I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server.

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September 4, 2019, Trump asks Zelensky to find the server examined by Crowdstrike.

I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.

Valletta said:

The media’s role in Russiagate was indispensable.

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Like when they reported that candidate Donald said in a press conference that Russia would be rewarded for hacking his opponents email?

Shame on the press for accurately reporting what a candidate said in a press conference. The nerve of those people working to make Donald look bad by quoting what he said.

KCfromNC said:

Like when they reported that candidate Donald said in a press conference that Russia would be rewarded for hacking his opponents email?

Shame on the press for accurately reporting what a candidate said in a press conference. The nerve of those people working to make Donald look bad by quoting what he said.

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It is reported by crowd strike that it was Russia behind the breach of the DNC on June 14, 2016.

On July 27, 2016, Trump is signaling to Russia that he hopes they find Hillary's missing emails and he believes that they will be rewarded by the press. He is showing approval if Russia hacks and leaks documents.

In September 2016 Trump is claiming it could have been anyone that hacked the DNC, including the Chinese or someone "sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds.

Out of the 195 countries in the world and all the fat guys sitting on their bed that it could have been, Trump picked Russia first to hope in.

childeye 2 said:

It is reported by crowd strike that it was Russia behind the breach of the DNC on June 14, 2016.

On July 27, 2016, Trump is signaling to Russia that he hopes they find Hillary's missing emails and he believes that they will be rewarded by the press. He is showing approval if Russia hacks and leaks documents.

In September 2016 Trump is claiming it could have been anyone that hacked the DNC, including the Chinese or someone "sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds.

Out of the 195 countries in the world and all the fat guys sitting on their bed that it could have been, Trump picked Russia first to hope in.

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What is a narrative? Crowdstrike is a Corporation assigned to investigate a hack. It being a corp, a dollar is its mainstay. Remember... same corp said Russia hacked a missle battery in Ukraine then had to retract that narrative as false. Furthermore , what corporation hired C.S.? We call it federal government but we know better , right?

We forget in our hubris the two descibers Corp/Fed Gov (<FG) are the same , why? They both rely on a dollar. Our reallity is a dollar weather we have a bunch of dollars or a few . With this "Truth" in mind, lets reanalize this narrative of not who but funding.

DNC RNC = FG and get their $ from us.
Corp gets big $ from FG and little $ from consumer yet all money here-in originated by us. A dollar must grow for corp thus they become multi national/globalist . C.S is one of those. Laws/policies constitutional ammendments to support the dollar growth through FG have been done since 1800 to rest controle of a republic to corp/elites as this thread uses as a desciber of who.

So we understand each other , a Trump can not set 200 years of ammendments back to the people because it would destroy his own global hotels. However, from his actions he cant be bought for he already has wealth.

The Game of lies/politics & Matt 6:24 : That is crux of truth , yet we will defend our wealth especially massive wealth. So lets look at our sources for our beliefs/facts... Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc... Are all what? Multi national/globalist serve money firstly and foremostly corps , right? What is truth to a dollar but that wich makes it grow by any means necessary?

With all that above lets get back to corporate DNC/RNC pays C.S wich actually means... Through corporate FG where our money given has no oversite by a people who gave it (taxation without representation) is given to a multi national corp (globalist) to investigate the benefacters (those that hired them in the first place) server? If we are caught in the pretending a DNC & RNC are different in "what" they serve. How do we elivate our truth gauge meters?

From what observed reallity is , lets submit that those playing the D vs R on a fed level participate in a lie with a complete lexicon/dictionary of terms that was/is taught in school so they can play the lie too. However, if we look at truth and understand a republic and a $ can not exist in same place and time as Matt 6:24 describes we must set one in front of the other & look at our reallity through money first as is dictated from the 1800. Then, it all clicks together for those that seek.

Have we noticed what sources are allowed & what sources are not allowed? Those that are captured by massive wealth are allowed , right? But those sources that seek no $ are disparaged by the captured under authorative source, trusted source etc... because $ is the source of the narrative .

Let me give another example : Fox News settles defamation law suit on Dominion Corp (<- Headline). Most know this, but a lot of non readers/diggers do not know same parent corp owns both wich actually is just a transfer of $ from one department to another. Yet, those that trust what is heard, think Dominion must be legit because none of the $ servers are going to tell the trusters of narrative, any differently.

Hope this helps awaken us in a truth.

FanthatSpark said:

What is a narrative? Crowdstrike is a Corporation assigned to investigate a hack. It being a corp, a dollar is its mainstay. Remember... same corp said Russia hacked a missle battery in Ukraine then had to retract that narrative as false. Furthermore , what corporation hired C.S.? We call it federal government but we know better , right?

We forget in our hubris the two descibers Corp/Fed Gov (<FG) are the same , why? They both rely on a dollar. Our reallity is a dollar weather we have a bunch of dollars or a few . With this "Truth" in mind, lets reanalize this narrative of not who but funding.

DNC RNC = FG and get their $ from us.
Corp gets big $ from FG and little $ from consumer yet all money here-in originated by us. A dollar must grow for corp thus they become multi national/globalist . C.S is one of those. Laws/policies constitutional ammendments to support the dollar growth through FG have been done since 1800 to rest controle of a republic to corp/elites as this thread uses as a desciber of who.

So we understand each other , a Trump can not set 200 years of ammendments back to the people because it would destroy his own global hotels. However, from his actions he cant be bought for he already has wealth.

The Game of lies/politics & Matt 6:24 : That is crux of truth , yet we will defend our wealth especially massive wealth. So lets look at our sources for our beliefs/facts... Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc... Are all what? Multi national/globalist serve money firstly and foremostly corps , right? What is truth to a dollar but that wich makes it grow by any means necessary?

With all that above lets get back to corporate DNC/RNC pays C.S wich actually means... Through corporate FG where our money given has no oversite by a people who gave it (taxation without representation) is given to a multi national corp (globalist) to investigate the benefacters (those that hired them in the first place) server? If we are caught in the pretending a DNC & RNC are different in "what" they serve. How do we elivate our truth gauge meters?

From what observed reallity is , lets submit that those playing the D vs R on a fed level participate in a lie with a complete lexicon/dictionary of terms that was/is taught in school so they can play the lie too. However, if we look at truth and understand a republic and a $ can not exist in same place and time as Matt 6:24 describes we must set one in front of the other & look at our reallity through money first as is dictated from the 1800. Then, it all clicks together for those that seek.

Have we noticed what sources are allowed & what sources are not allowed? Those that are captured by massive wealth are allowed , right? But those sources that seek no $ are disparaged by the captured under authorative source, trusted source etc... because $ is the source of the narrative .

Let me give another example : Fox News settles defamation law suit on Dominion Corp (<- Headline). Most know this, but a lot of non readers/diggers do not know same parent corp owns both wich actually is just a transfer of $ from one department to another. Yet, those that trust what is heard, think Dominion must be legit because none of the $ servers are going to tell the trusters of narrative, any differently.

Hope this helps awaken us in a truth.

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I can appreciate the dialogue about global corporate interests and the geopolitical power struggle to control markets and also the hearts and minds of people. For what it's worth, I feel that in circumspect your articulation has good intentions, but I think it could and should develop further before I could say I agree or disagree.

For example, this is the base political dichotomy; Democracy/Autocracy. Any subjective and therefore subtextual references to policy should be heading toward one or the other according to the opposing positive/negative connotations of terms that form or transform in this dichotomy. Objectively speaking, both views should be represented without hypocrisy or bias. But more importantly I would point out that, "The Faith", is that Love will endure eternal despite the ways of this world, and in such reasoning, cynicism becomes the spiritual enemy to hope. With that in mind, it's not difficult to see what Words beget faith in the Eternal and which sentiments breed a cynicism that cripples one's love of others. I would need to hear more from you about that in your discernment of narratives.

As pertains to my post which you responded to, it remains an observable fact of reality to any honest person, that Trump shows favor to Putin and those oligarchs that stand with Putin. I would also add that for Putin and his oligarchs, this is about Ukraine and the Magnitsky act.

childeye 2 said:

I can appreciate the dialogue about global corporate interests and the geopolitical power struggle to control markets and also the hearts and minds of people. For what it's worth, I feel that in circumspect your articulation has good intentions, but I think it could and should develop further before I could say I agree or disagree.

For example, this is the base political dichotomy; Democracy/Autocracy. Any subjective and therefore subtextual references to policy should be heading toward one or the other according to the opposing positive/negative connotations of terms that form or transform in this dichotomy. Objectively speaking, both views should be represented without hypocrisy or bias. But more importantly I would point out that, "The Faith", is that Love will endure eternal despite the ways of this world, and in such reasoning, cynicism becomes the spiritual enemy to hope. With that in mind, it's not difficult to see what Words beget faith in the Eternal and which sentiments breed a cynicism that cripples one's love of others. I would need to hear more from you about that in your discernment of narratives.

As pertains to my post which you responded to, it remains an observable fact of reality to any honest person, that Trump shows favor to Putin and those oligarchs that stand with Putin. I would also add that for Putin and his oligarchs, this is about Ukraine and the Magnitsky act.

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Well articulated response ,

Lets answer in order of the three paragraphs.

All articulation to name a thing strays from source of currency. Ex: "Global corporate interests and the geopolitical power struggle to control markets and also the hearts and minds of people". The first above paragraph takes a truth of Matt 6:24 to focus the lens on pride of the human clay in agree/disagree of the author who seeks not approval or disapproval as to "What" is served firstly in Matt 6:24's truth by describers in parentheses above but not limited too those describers.

Paragraph 2 is reasoning to shape the face of God to fit the reasoner.
Ex: What is a religion but a face of God to a group of reasoners or individual and where "I" fit in judgment of mankind. If one is human we all do it as descibed here -> Rom:3:10

Paragraph 3 relates to 2014 in part & deals in morallity of nations leaders. Lets go to 2023 and analize 30 biolabs in Ukraine and one of those is described as Chyna. Sounds a lot like China , right? However, those two describers are not the same and depending where a person stops dealing in facts one could say it sounds like a Trump saying china, but it is actually, a nuance in descibers is at play. So , how do bad actors destroy evidence through chaos? Ukraine is a very interesting hub of money servers domain where a lot of topics converge in energy, biolabs, money, pharma, morallity of treaties but all these topics have one source... Money & people that serve money.

Observations ,
Who has time to dig on a computor after work and raising kids for that reallity of money? See the conundrum, and paradigm shift, of true info? The one button click on the remote to be propagandized by "sources close to the matter" while John Brennon tells us the truth . What is operation mockingbird , lol? What is a psy op? What is learned after "Safe and effective against transmission"? For me, trusting money interests for my truth is, anti love/Christ. We operate on what info we got and trusting mankind related to goodness when there is none in us actually is my reasoning today that can be changed in fluidity of reasoning with God.

Be well seeker.

FanthatSpark said:

Well articulated response ,

Lets answer in order of the three paragraphs.

All articulation to name a thing strays from source of currency. Ex: "Global corporate interests and the geopolitical power struggle to control markets and also the hearts and minds of people". The first above paragraph takes a truth of Matt 6:24 to focus the lens on pride of the human clay in agree/disagree of the author who seeks not approval or disapproval as to "What" is served firstly in Matt 6:24's truth by describers in parentheses above but not limited too those describers.

Paragraph 2 is reasoning to shape the face of God to fit the reasoner.
Ex: What is a religion but a face of God to a group of reasoners or individual and where "I" fit in judgment of mankind. If one is human we all do it as descibed here -> Rom:3:10

Paragraph 3 relates to 2014 in part & deals in morallity of nations leaders. Lets go to 2023 and analize 30 biolabs in Ukraine and one of those is described as Chyna. Sounds a lot like China , right? However, those two describers are not the same and depending where a person stops dealing in facts one could say it sounds like a Trump saying china, but it is actually, a nuance in descibers is at play. So , how do bad actors destroy evidence through chaos? Ukraine is a very interesting hub of money servers domain where a lot of topics converge in energy, biolabs, money, pharma, morallity of treaties but all these topics have one source... Money & people that serve money.

Observations ,
Who has time to dig on a computor after work and raising kids for that reallity of money? See the conundrum, and paradigm shift, of true info? The one button click on the remote to be propagandized by "sources close to the matter" while John Brennon tells us the truth . What is operation mockingbird , lol? What is a psy op? What is learned after "Safe and effective against transmission"? For me, trusting money interests for my truth is, anti love/Christ. We operate on what info we got and trusting mankind related to goodness when there is none in us actually is my reasoning today that can be changed in fluidity of reasoning with God.

Be well seeker.

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So how does one tell lies from the Truth? This is my observation:

Godliness/reverence is the norm which in a state of innocence is what became corrupted. The purity of innocence sees others as oneself and trusts in Love/God. Those who have learned to distrust are still qualified as lamenting the loss. Wherefore the truth that we are all the same and trustworthy precedes the lie in existence, since the lie only exists to subvert the Truth and our faith in Love. By observing what people say and whether those sentiments reflect the Spirit of the Christ we can discern the Light from the darkness. The semantics show that the Image of God that sacrifices oneself to save others is in contrast to the image of god that sacrifices others to save oneself. Wherefore, any reasoning based on falsehood will always end in a contradiction, which results in the same hypocrisy that manifests when we don't love others as ourselves.

But apart from the mechanism of reasoning, the Truth we reason upon can only be apprehended through faith to begin with, and hope is the evidence of the direction of Truth both subjectively and objectively, and both inwardly and outwardly. Objectively to Love God with all your heart mind and soul is the prime directive, and subjectively the words and actions that reflect God will result in loving others as you would love yourself without hypocrisy. Love God with all your being and love others as yourself; That is the simple Truth that all lies of God's enemies seek to subvert through unbelief. I'm talking about spiritual warfare, and spiritual entities that inhabit the darkness of a soul through false beliefs, whose words and actions promote and exist upon a false image of god.

The purpose of propaganda is to misguide someone's love by appealing to the carnal vanity within mankind. By carnal vanity, I mean the comparing of ourselves with others, and feeling either put down or lifted up in doing so. This is why God alone is good, so that one's love and servitude towards others is recognized as God's Spiritual attribute in mankind, and not attributable to the flesh. People who talk otherwise have not found purity of heart and are deceived and defiled in their conscience. They then project onto others their own impurity. The impure want to find fault in others so as to feel lifted up in their own stature, and they find fault even with the pure of heart. Whereas the pure of heart will inevitably see the fault in the impure of heart, but they grieve because they didn't want to.

In the spiritual realm of the unknown/darkness, the issue of putting a face on God is the whole point of the Christ, because the term "Christ" implies the True Image of God sent by God, and not imagined by mankind. The righteousness of God is displayed carrying a cross in this world, and there His Christ suffered the ultimate shame of being mocked, scorned, beaten, scourged, stripped naked and nailed to his cross to die in agony, and yet he did not revile against his enemies nor his unjust lot in this world, but instead in all purity of heart he prayed for his enemies that tormented him, that they be forgiven because they know not what they do.

The term "devil' means "slanderer/accuser". First and foremost, we need to reason upon facts rather than opinion when evaluating and discerning what we are told to believe about others. The pure of heart see others as themselves and should be wary of any thoughts or words that would undermine that Light that is comfort to the soul, hence the pure of heart can sense a discomfort because of the comforter (the Holy Spirit). While facts of reality are observable and are therefore learned, as opposed to opinions, slander is not compelling without some observable action or event that can be characterized so as to insinuate being deserving of our scorn, and in turn imply that all those who prefer and practice grace and would disagree or question that appraisal should likewise be looked down upon. In the occasion where there are not enough facts to make an informed decision one should not simply believe what they hear and let the devil "slanderer" in. When we are forced to form an opinion, then we should practice grace and side with the positive prejudice rather than the negative prejudice not fearing the sacrifice of self.

childeye 2 said:

So how does one tell lies from the Truth? This is my observation:

Godliness/reverence is the norm which in a state of innocence is what became corrupted. The purity of innocence sees others as oneself and trusts in Love/God. Those who have learned to distrust are still qualified as lamenting the loss. Wherefore the truth that we are all the same and trustworthy precedes the lie in existence, since the lie only exists to subvert the Truth and our faith in Love. By observing what people say and whether those sentiments reflect the Spirit of the Christ we can discern the Light from the darkness. The semantics show that the Image of God that sacrifices oneself to save others is in contrast to the image of god that sacrifices others to save oneself. Wherefore, any reasoning based on falsehood will always end in a contradiction, which results in the same hypocrisy that manifests when we don't love others as ourselves.

But apart from the mechanism of reasoning, the Truth we reason upon can only be apprehended through faith to begin with, and hope is the evidence of the direction of Truth both subjectively and objectively, and both inwardly and outwardly. Objectively to Love God with all your heart mind and soul is the prime directive, and subjectively the words and actions that reflect God will result in loving others as you would love yourself without hypocrisy. Love God with all your being and love others as yourself; That is the simple Truth that all lies of God's enemies seek to subvert through unbelief. I'm talking about spiritual warfare, and spiritual entities that inhabit the darkness of a soul through false beliefs, whose words and actions promote and exist upon a false image of god.

The purpose of propaganda is to misguide someone's love by appealing to the carnal vanity within mankind. By carnal vanity, I mean the comparing of ourselves with others, and feeling either put down or lifted up in doing so. This is why God alone is good, so that one's love and servitude towards others is recognized as God's Spiritual attribute in mankind, and not attributable to the flesh. People who talk otherwise have not found purity of heart and are deceived and defiled in their conscience. They then project onto others their own impurity. The impure want to find fault in others so as to feel lifted up in their own stature, and they find fault even with the pure of heart. Whereas the pure of heart will inevitably see the fault in the impure of heart, but they grieve because they didn't want to.

In the spiritual realm of the unknown/darkness, the issue of putting a face on God is the whole point of the Christ, because the term "Christ" implies the True Image of God sent by God, and not imagined by mankind. The righteousness of God is displayed carrying a cross in this world, and there His Christ suffered the ultimate shame of being mocked, scorned, beaten, scourged, stripped naked and nailed to his cross to die in agony, and yet he did not revile against his enemies nor his unjust lot in this world, but instead in all purity of heart he prayed for his enemies that tormented him, that they be forgiven because they know not what they do.

The term "devil' means "slanderer/accuser". First and foremost, we need to reason upon facts rather than opinion when evaluating and discerning what we are told to believe about others. The pure of heart see others as themselves and should be wary of any thoughts or words that would undermine that Light that is comfort to the soul, hence the pure of heart can sense a discomfort because of the comforter (the Holy Spirit). While facts of reality are observable and are therefore learned, as opposed to opinions, slander is not compelling without some observable action or event that can be characterized so as to insinuate being deserving of our scorn, and in turn imply that all those who prefer and practice grace and would disagree or question that appraisal should likewise be looked down upon. In the occasion where there are not enough facts to make an informed decision one should not simply believe what they hear and let the devil "slanderer" in. When we are forced to form an opinion, then we should practice grace and side with the positive prejudice rather than the negative prejudice not fearing the sacrifice of self.

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One must ask , why we both are here when one reads above perfection in state of being , correct? The above is beautiful in a mind at peace.

So we both particapate in opinion of observed events and comment on them here in CT with chains attached in rules herein on what is acceptable sources. Railing against the machine of dishonesty and can not give reciepts due to rules herein by an individual-s that decides a source is credible and credible is propaganda of concent to be led and/or trust. Yet , a CT in a CF makes me scratch my head kinda like
that nik of Public Hermit . Brilliant !


Now how do we discuss the topic of this thread with chains ?

FanthatSpark said:

One must ask , why we both are here when one reads above perfection in state of being , correct? The above is beautiful in a mind at peace.

So we both particapate in opinion of observed events and comment on them here in CT with chains attached in rules herein on what is acceptable sources. Railing against the machine of dishonesty and can not give reciepts due to rules herein by an individual-s that decides a source is credible and credible is propaganda of concent to be led and/or trust. Yet , a CT in a CF makes me scratch my head kinda like
that nik of Public Hermit . Brilliant !


Now how do we discuss the topic of this thread with chains ?

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Once the Mueller investigation began, some of those from the Obama administration began stating publicly that after Trump won the election and during the transition, they compartmentalized the sensitive parts of investigating Russian interference throughout the intelligence community so that the Trump administration would find it difficult to learn what they knew about Trump's ties with Russia and how it was gathered. They did not trust Trump with certain classified information they had gathered, and I seem to recall that it was implied that while the investigation was still underway, the leaking of information could happen intentionally if necessary, so as to notify the public of what the public should know about those ties. Here I would note that the IG report specifically states that the Steele dossier was not part of any leaks. Anyway, the article in the op seems to contain some re-packaging of those events into a counter narrative of how the Obama administration and the FBI plotted against Trump.

And the Obama administration was not alone in their concerns. As I recall one of the first legislative acts of a Republican controlled congress in the beginning of the Trump administration was to impair any ability as President to release the sanctions against Russia for invading Ukraine and annexing Crimea.

I said in my prior post that when forced to form an opinion one should side with the positive prejudice so as to avoid slander. If it were purely a matter of voluntary opinion, for me the neutral position would be to not voice an opinion either way. As pertains to the article in the op, the question should then be asked of me, how do I determine whether the article in the op is slandering the FBI or simply reporting how the "ruling class" and the FBI plotted to slander Trump? Because either the article is wrong and is slandering Obama and the FBI, or the article is correct, and Obama and the FBI were slandering Trump. Which one is it?

My response is that I would make that determination based upon whether it was factually true that there was a Bonafide effort to interfere conducted by the Russians so as to help Trump and hurt Hillary. After all, the initial impetus of the events is either an act of Russia or it isn't. In this view, the positive/negative aspects of all the connotations of the terms hinge on whether Putin wanted Trump to be President and that Putin interfered to hurt Hillary.

For example, the emails dated June 3 released by Don junior were presented as coming from representatives of the Russian government, with the expressed interest of helping Trump and hurting Hillary and is factual evidence of the Trump campaign knowing Russia wanted him to win and that they kept this secret. Publicly, any suggestion in the media that Russia wanted Trump to win was being denounced as a hoax by the Trump campaign; a false story made up by Hillary and the Democrats in collaboration with "the media" (fake news).

Similarly, the article in the op asserts that the FBI leaked information through the media to influence public sentiment that Trump had ties with Russia. But what the article doesn't say is that while campaigning Trump was also impressing upon his audience how he wanted to get along with Russia and how great a leader Putin was. Trump even said that he was open to lifting sanctions. At his rallies he read from the leaked emails that had purportedly been stolen by Russia, while playing down Russia as a possible benefactor, claiming it could have been China or a fat guy on a bed. Yet he chose Russia to say, "Russia if you're listening..." All of these events that came from Trump's own campaign messaging was influencing public sentiment towards believing Trump had some sort of affinity towards Russia and Putin.

I remember one time an interviewer asked Trump how he feels about Putin assassinating his political opponents. Trump responded by saying, what you think we don't kill people? He defended Putin by implying other American President's have done the same thing. When questioned if he knew Putin, Trump would say he didn't know Putin at all, but then Trump would turn around and denounce Hillary by claiming Putin would never respect the likes of her, as if he knew Putin well enough to make an informed claim; as if Trump knew Putin wanted Trump to be President, not Hillary.

My point is that I'm making a determination of the semantics at play based on observation of the events, Trump's own words, and not based on opinion.

FanthatSpark said:

Let me give another example : Fox News settles defamation law suit on Dominion Corp (<- Headline). Most know this, but a lot of non readers/diggers do not know same parent corp owns both wich actually is just a transfer of $ from one department to another. Yet, those that trust what is heard, think Dominion must be legit because none of the $ servers are going to tell the trusters of narrative, any differently.

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I read the most fascinating claims on CF. Just a cursory check shows that Dominion is a Canadian company founded in Toronto with an American HQ in Denver. It's primary stockholder (at 75%) is Staple Street Capital, a mid range equity company. Fox Corporation, of which Fox News is a subsidiary, is owned by the Murdoch's (39% of Class B stock which gives them a voting plurality and de facto ownership) with a number of institutional investors, mainly mutual funds, owning most of the Class A stock.

What supposed parent corporation owns them both?