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the statue of a man was an image of the beast that was smote by The Rock Formed without hands.
Does this have anything to do with the 666 number calculation? Or what I was saying about it being 666 years? Daniel's statue was crushed to dust on the wind almost 2,000 years ago, and Christ's stone kingdom has been incrementally increasing in the world since then.

Your date of 597 BC for one of Nebuchadnezzar's deportations is not the date of the FIRST deportation of what God in Jeremiah called "the good figs" - Daniel and his three friends and those of Jerusalem's nobility. The year for Nebuchadnezzar's FIRST deportation of Jews was 607 BC, which was 666 years before John was writing Revelation.
Rev 13:2 is After Chapter 11 ...when 70 A.D. happened. i already explained this in the first post:
Revelation is not one long chronological account from beginning to end. John writes Revelation in a repetitive pattern, covering the same time period several times over, as well as including historical information - even ancient history - as a backdrop for the events that were soon to transpire in his days.
 
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Revelation is not one long chronological account from beginning to end. John writes Revelation in a repetitive pattern, covering the same time period several times over, as well as including historical information - even ancient history - as a backdrop for the events that were soon to transpire in his days.
Neither is the Bible if you want to get technical.

Does the Bible repeat the same event over and over again as well?

I don't think people understand that John is not repeating the same event over and over again. That is a human philosophical excuse to make up anything you want Scripture to say. John never makes that claim, and it is not self evident in the chapters as they are written.

This "parallel interpretation" is man made and has to be taught outside of the clear message given in the book of Revelation. The term "after" is used several times to indicate the natural flow of time progressing as things go from bad to worse.

Going back to view an historical perspective is not necessarily an indication that the same event is repeated over and over again. In fact the historical perspective points to the opposite effect. We know John is pulling from the OT his symbolism, but not pulling the events themselves from the OT. That is why John uses different symbols for each event. Symbols explain exactly who John is referring to, or should, as many seem to think the use of symbols just mean repeat events. If the event was a repeat, why not use the same symbols each time instead of moving to a different set of symbols? Symbols normally only refer to certain points. Not that the same point needs multiple symbols to describe that point.

If we say sheep and goats. The same person is not both a sheep and a goat at the same time. We then see wheat and tares. Certainly the same person is not a goat, a tare, a sheep, nor a wheat simultaneously. Why would the same individual be both a sheep and a wheat at the same time? We are talking about different individuals and they can only be one symbol not multiple symbols. The church is none of the above, not a sheep, goat, tare, nor wheat. The church is only a church, and nothing else. A sheep is only a sheep and nothing else.

Those removed from the earth in the Seals are not the same people removed in the Trumpets. If that were the case only a segment would ever be removed and the rest left. The point is that people are being systematically removed until none are left. That is why the removal is given in large chunks, and each set of events are different and have their own symbolism.

Many present a philosophy why the book should be repeats of the same event. No one can prove that is what John actually does.
 
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Many present a philosophy why the book should be repeats of the same event. No one can prove that is what John actually does.
I'm afraid you did not read my comment carefully enough. I did not say that all the events in the seals, trumpets, and vials were the exact same events repeated. I said these 3 groups covered roughly the same period of time. But all three groups of seals, trumpets, and vials conclude at the same time a resurrection event takes place at Christ's return.
 
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The gematria method is NOT the way John intended this 666 number to be interpreted. Most Preterists get this wrong. The 666 amount was supposed to represent the number of years that Sea Beast had existed up until the time John was writing Revelation. Anyone with a lick of sense in those days could have calculated backward in time those 666 years and arrived at 607 BC when King Nebuchadnezzar of the Babylonian empire had first deported Jerusalem's nobility to Babylon. This started the humiliating period of exile for them, which any Jew who knew anything at all about their history would never have forgotten.

We know the Sea Beast was as old as the Babylonian empire because that Sea Beast was described in Revelation 13:2 as having features from all of the former pagan world empires mentioned by Daniel: the leopard (Greek empire), the bear (Medo-Persian empire), and the lion (Babylonian empire).

This 666 number was called "the number of a MAN" because Daniel's image was a STATUE of a MAN which incorporated all those pagan world empires who were going to control the nation of Israel over time. This lasted up to the final Roman phase of the Sea Beast which was in power in John's days of writing Revelation (with Nero in power at the time).
The 666 is the number of a man called the beast who will get cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns.

I do not know that man's name yet, and how 666 is the calculation of it.

What is the name of the beast man ? I don't think that the 666 years is the right key to knowing the name of the beast man.



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The 666 is the number of a man called the beast who will get cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns.
I agree that, in reference to the Sea Beast, Revelation 13:18 calls 666 the "number of a Man". But pay careful attention to how the Sea Beast's conglomerate history of empires begins.

We know that this Sea Beast was said to have leopard, bear, and lion features (Revelation 13:2). That means the Sea Beast had a history as old as the lion empire of Daniel - which was the Babylonian empire under Nebuchadnezzar.

Look at how Daniel 7: 4 describes that first "lion" empire of the four beasts coming out of the sea. "The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet AS A MAN, and "a MAN'S HEART was given to it".

Those whom John was addressing who knew their Daniel scriptures would have remembered this about the lion empire becoming like a MAN standing upon his feet, with a MAN'S HEART given to it. Nebuchadnezzar was the beginning of this conglomerate Revelation 13 Sea Beast. It eventually had a combined, calculated number of 666 years that the Sea Beast had exercised pagan empire control over Israel's affairs, up until the year when John was writing Revelation in AD 59/60.

In John's days, the Sea Beast had developed into its final phase (with Roman power this time over the nation of Israel), and was at that point in its 666th year of existence. Satan as the "Prince of this world" had worked behind the scenes of all those former pagan empires of Chaldean, Medo-Persian, and Greek, continually trying to disrupt God's plans.

In the final Roman phase of that Sea Beast's power, Satan had given his own throne in the city of Pergamos (Revelation 2:13) into Rome's control. The Roman Senate records tell us that the entire kingdom of Pergamum was given to the Roman Republic in 133 BC by the dying King Attalus III, who had no living heir to whom he could pass his kingdom. So "Satan's throne" in the city of Pergamos (the 40' tall altar of Pergamos in the temple to Zeus where Antipas was martyred) along with the whole kingdom and capital at Pergamos was bequeathed by Attalus III to his ally, the Roman Republic, in hopes that this would ensure a peaceful transition of power.

All the kingdoms which had composed the Revelation 13 Sea Beast were not simultaneously cast into the Lake of Fire - that was the other Scarlet Beast of Revelation 17 along with the Land Beast of Revelation 13 which were both thrown alive into Jerusalem's Lake of Fire for destruction. It was Satan and the entire demonic realm (which had operated behind all the ancient Sea Beast's pagan kingdoms) which was all crushed simultaneously into dust together, blown away on the winds after one strike of the Stone kingdom. Since then, Christ's Stone kingdom has been continuing to grow through the centuries, and will eventually "fill the whole earth" with its effects.

If you are looking to put a single name of a man on the Antichrist (the Man of Lawlessness), this can be done, but this single man was not the equivalent of either the Sea Beast, the Land Beast, or the Scarlet Beast themselves. All were different characters. The single man who filled the Antichrist role has been dead since AD 66, by the way - no threat to our generation at all.
 
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In John's days, the Sea Beast had developed into its final phase
I think you have mistimed when the beast comes out of the sea. It has to be end times, that the beast comes out of the sea, because there are only 42 months left in Revelation 13:5.



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If you are looking to put a single name of a man on the Antichrist (the Man of Lawlessness), this can be done, but this single man was not the equivalent of either the Sea Beast, the Land Beast, or the Scarlet Beast themselves. All were different characters. The single man who filled the Antichrist role has been dead since AD 66, by the way - no threat to our generation at all.
Not Nero. The person is an end times person who will get cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming.

Since it will be required for buying and selling to display that 666 number of the beast's name, the name of the beast, or the mark of the beast's name - the 666 number must have some special significance to the beast and false prophet.

I don't know what that name is yet. Nor the 666 key to know his name ahead of time. Not saying it is impossible. Just saying I do not know. I don't think the 666 years is the key. But keep trying, maybe you will break the code.
 
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I think you have mistimed when the beast comes out of the sea. It has to be end times, that the beast comes out of the sea, because there are only 42 months left in Revelation 13:5.
No, Revelation 13:5 does not say that those 42 months of the last, Roman phase of the Sea Beast's activity conclude with the end of the world, if that is what you are presuming. It says that "it was given unto it to make war forty and two months." This was Nero's persecution launched against the Christians after the disastrous AD 64 fire at Rome which was falsely blamed upon them for causing it. For forty-two months until just before Nero committed suicide in AD 68, God allowed Nero's persecution against His saints to "overcome them" by killing them. (Revelation 13:5 & 7).

This forty-two months of war waged by Nero against the believers is also referred to in Daniel 76:25-26 when that "little horn" would "wear out the saints of the most High...and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." This 42 months / time, times, and dividing of time is yet another different traumatic period of a "broken seven".
Not Nero. The person is an end times person who will get cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming.
I agree that Nero is not the one man called the Antichrist, since the Antichrist would be one of many antichrists who were those going out from among those John was writing to in 1 John 4:18-19. That does not characterize Nero at all.

But the Antichrist was destroyed only a couple weeks after he came into power in Jerusalem in AD 66, after he exalted himself by entering the temple as the king of the Jews, dressed in Herod's royal garments stolen from Masada. This "king of the Jews" role was reserved only for the Messiah. This "man of lawlessness" was a term scripture used to describe the Zealot insurrectionists of the day. Christ was prophesied to be joined with the "lawless" in His death, and this was fulfilled by His being crucified between two Zealot insurrectionists. The Antichrist "man of lawlessness" was a first-century Zealot leader who was the first to rise to prominence and claim to be the king of the Jews in the temple in AD 66. His name was Menahem, son or grandson of Judas the Galilean in Acts 5:37 who had also been a Zealot insurrectionist who perished. This family history of Zealotry gave Menahem the title "Son of destruction" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
Since it will be required for buying and selling to display that 666 number of the beast's name, the name of the beast, or the mark of the beast's name - the 666 number must have some special significance to the beast and false prophet.
To have the name or the number of the Sea Beast's name - these would be those who were an integral part of the Sea Beast system itself which had existed for those 666 years up until John's writing of Revelation. All others who had received the mark of the Sea Beast imposed on them by the Land Beast could also buy and sell. This "mark" was the abominable-to-God Tyrian shekel copy which the priesthood had begun minting in Jerusalem by Rome's permission ever since 19 BC until AD 66 when the Zealot rebellion broke out. Significantly, 19 BC was the year Herod announced plans to begin his lavish, expensive Temple renovations. Obviously, Herod wanted a means of raising revenue for this, so the "mark" which gave homage to the Roman phase of the Sea Beast was the answer to this need for funds.

This Tyrian shekel was the only coin the religious leadership (the Land Beast) allowed for use in the Temple by one and all who came to worship and offer sacrifices. To buy or sell anything in the Temple or to pay the yearly Temple Tax required any foreign currency to be exchanged for that Tyrian shekel - for an additional fee collected by the moneychangers which Christ drove in righteous anger from the temple during His ministry. This Tyrian shekel coin had inscriptions and images giving homage to a demi-god of Rome and exalting the pagan idol-worshipping city of Tyre as "holy". It also had the initials "KP" on the reverse side standing for "kratos Romaion" meaning "by the power of the Romans" who had authorized the minting of that coin by the Jews.

Every time a Jew handed over their own currency and a fee in exchange for that required, abominable Tyrian shekel, they were reminded once again of who held the reigns of power over their country and over their own temple and its priesthood - against God's commands for those abominable images and inscriptions. It truly was a torment for those who resented the hold Rome had over their country and their temple system.
 
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Jipsah, orthodox preterist here. I've seldom seen so much rubbish, based on such profound ignorance, posted in such a short period of time. Congratulations!

Herewith, a concise explanation of orthodox preterism. OP believes that if a pprophecy says that something is to happen, and that thing subsequently happens, then the prophecy was fulfilled. End of.

For example:
Daniel says sacrifice and oblation will cease. They did. Prophecy fulfilled.
Our Lord said the Temple would be desecrated, that an abomination of desolation would stand in the Holy Place.
It happened. Prophecy fulfilled.
Our Lord said not one stone of the Temple would be left standing on another. No stone of the Temple now stands on another. Prophecy fulfilled.
Our Lord said that Jerusalem would be surrunded by armies. It was. Prophecy fulfilled.

THere are many others, but those will do to go on with.

Yeah, I know, there are a multitude of "reasons" why those fulfilments "don't count". But the only actual reason is that those prophecies having been fulfilled sinks somebody's doctrine. We OPs say a fig for your doctrine; what has happened has happened. If that damages your doctrine then your doctrine is a crock.

Our Lord will return when it is His good pleasure to do so, and most of your cherished, made up, nonsensical, "end times" doctrines will be shown as the ridiculous kludges that they have always been.

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I'm afraid you did not read my comment carefully enough. I did not say that all the events in the seals, trumpets, and vials were the exact same events repeated. I said these 3 groups covered roughly the same period of time. But all three groups of seals, trumpets, and vials conclude at the same time a resurrection event takes place at Christ's return.
An event is a planned period of time. They don't conclude at the same time. That is the point. They are not 3 events running simultaneously. None of them end in a resurrection. All 3 sets of symbols covers the final harvest. But each set covers a different group of individuals. They don't overlap, nor happen simultaneously. Besides they are constructed as judgments, not actual events. The event is in context the final harvest, at the end of the world. Matthew 13:39


"The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

There is no other harvest, out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh, after these judgments. Harvest is the term used when it comes to sowing and reaping the Gospel in the hearts of humanity.
 
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The event is in context the final harvest, at the end of the world. Matthew 13:39
Matthew 13:39 says that was "the end of the AGE" - not the end of the world. And there are multiple ages in total for humanity on this planet. Paul's language in his epistles makes reference to at least five ages for humanity, with the possibility of more than that.
 
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For example:
Daniel says sacrifice and oblation will cease. They did. Prophecy fulfilled.
Our Lord said the Temple would be desecrated, that an abomination of desolation would stand in the Holy Place.
It happened. Prophecy fulfilled.
Our Lord said not one stone of the Temple would be left standing on another. No stone of the Temple now stands on another. Prophecy fulfilled.
Our Lord said that Jerusalem would be surrunded by armies. It was. Prophecy fulfilled.

THere are many others, but those will do to go on with.
YES.
 
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GOD waited until 70 A.D. to allow Jews to become jealous of Christians. And for Christians to be in a 40 Year Trial (Moses in the wilderness).
They could continue to call themselves Jews until 70 A.D. but they could Not get Eternal LIFE without JESUS.
ONLY Preterists believe this.

so in Chapter 11 is 70 A.D.
ONLY Preterists believe this
 
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Matthew 13:39 says that was "the end of the AGE" - not the end of the world. And there are multiple ages in total for humanity on this planet. Paul's language in his epistles makes reference to at least five ages for humanity, with the possibility of more than that.
Obviously there is the Day of the Lord after the final harvest.
 
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Obviously there is the Day of the Lord after the final harvest.
The particular "harvest" mentioned in Matthew 13:39 was going to take place at "the end of the AGE" - not the end of the world. Those are different Greek terms. And yes, I agree with you that there will be a final resurrection "harvest" for us. It would have to be in addition to that other Matthew 13:39 harvest, an event whose concluding point the seals, trumpets, and vials all pointed toward at "the end of the AGE" - not at the end of the world..
 
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ONLY Preterists believe this.


ONLY Preterists believe this
Maybe there is another eschatological view other than full preterist and futurist...

like one where they don't pretend 70 A.D. didn't happen ...but also don't believe in a nonsense future mark of the beast. there is nothing but cons out there to make you think you can't Enter The Kingdom Today ...imputed righteousness is from satan
 
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No, Revelation 13:5 does not say that those 42 months of the last, Roman phase of the Sea Beast's activity conclude with the end of the world, if that is what you are presuming. It says that "it was given unto it to make war forty and two months." This was Nero's persecution launched against the Christians after the disastrous AD 64 fire at Rome which was falsely blamed upon them for causing it. For forty-two months until just before Nero committed suicide in AD 68, God allowed Nero's persecution against His saints to "overcome them" by killing them. (Revelation 13:5 & 7).

This forty-two months of war waged by Nero against the believers is also referred to in Daniel 76:25-26 when that "little horn" would "wear out the saints of the most High...and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." This 42 months / time, times, and dividing of time is yet another different traumatic period of a "broken seven".

I agree that Nero is not the one man called the Antichrist, since the Antichrist would be one of many antichrists who were those going out from among those John was writing to in 1 John 4:18-19. That does not characterize Nero at all.

But the Antichrist was destroyed only a couple weeks after he came into power in Jerusalem in AD 66, after he exalted himself by entering the temple as the king of the Jews, dressed in Herod's royal garments stolen from Masada. This "king of the Jews" role was reserved only for the Messiah. This "man of lawlessness" was a term scripture used to describe the Zealot insurrectionists of the day. Christ was prophesied to be joined with the "lawless" in His death, and this was fulfilled by His being crucified between two Zealot insurrectionists. The Antichrist "man of lawlessness" was a first-century Zealot leader who was the first to rise to prominence and claim to be the king of the Jews in the temple in AD 66. His name was Menahem, son or grandson of Judas the Galilean in Acts 5:37 who had also been a Zealot insurrectionist who perished. This family history of Zealotry gave Menahem the title "Son of destruction" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

To have the name or the number of the Sea Beast's name - these would be those who were an integral part of the Sea Beast system itself which had existed for those 666 years up until John's writing of Revelation. All others who had received the mark of the Sea Beast imposed on them by the Land Beast could also buy and sell. This "mark" was the abominable-to-God Tyrian shekel copy which the priesthood had begun minting in Jerusalem by Rome's permission ever since 19 BC until AD 66 when the Zealot rebellion broke out. Significantly, 19 BC was the year Herod announced plans to begin his lavish, expensive Temple renovations. Obviously, Herod wanted a means of raising revenue for this, so the "mark" which gave homage to the Roman phase of the Sea Beast was the answer to this need for funds.

This Tyrian shekel was the only coin the religious leadership (the Land Beast) allowed for use in the Temple by one and all who came to worship and offer sacrifices. To buy or sell anything in the Temple or to pay the yearly Temple Tax required any foreign currency to be exchanged for that Tyrian shekel - for an additional fee collected by the moneychangers which Christ drove in righteous anger from the temple during His ministry. This Tyrian shekel coin had inscriptions and images giving homage to a demi-god of Rome and exalting the pagan idol-worshipping city of Tyre as "holy". It also had the initials "KP" on the reverse side standing for "kratos Romaion" meaning "by the power of the Romans" who had authorized the minting of that coin by the Jews.

Every time a Jew handed over their own currency and a fee in exchange for that required, abominable Tyrian shekel, they were reminded once again of who held the reigns of power over their country and over their own temple and its priesthood - against God's commands for those abominable images and inscriptions. It truly was a torment for those who resented the hold Rome had over their country and their temple system.
I think you missed my point or perhaps I did not do a good job in communicating.

The 666 number of the beast person's name - we see as something horrible, rightfully so. But the false prophet and the beast person will initiate it as something wonderful - in their minds, enough to make it a requirement to buy or sell.

So where would they come up with 666 ? That's the big question , imo.

The 666 number of the beast's name is going to originate with the beast and false prophet. What will it be based on? I don't know. But it will become evident at the time.
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I don't think the 666 years is part of what their thinking will be.

Maybe the beast person will have 666 laws - called "'beast's name" laws.

The mark is also something the beast and false prophet will come up with. We have no way of reading their minds, nor should desire to.

As for us Christians, we are going to stick with Jesus. Please, come soon, Lord Jesus.
 
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The 666 number of the beast person's name - we see as something horrible, rightfully so. But the false prophet and the beast person will initiate it as something wonderful - in their minds, enough to make it a requirement to buy or sell.
The number of the Sea Beast's name just meant the number of years since that Sea Beast creature first began its named existence. We always give something a name when it begins its existence, don't we? A child is born - it is given a name. A business is begun - it is given a name. A person joins a forum as a member - they give themselves a name to identify themselves. Adam named all the animals at the beginning of creation, and gave his wife the name Eve at the beginning of starting their family, etc.

Giving the Sea Beast a name from the beginning of its lengthy, numbered existence was the same thing. Daniel identified the beginning of this Sea Beast which was begun by the lion kingdom / aka the "head of gold", which Daniel told King Nebuchadnezzar, "Thou art this head of gold" (Dan. 2:38). The "head" of something represents the beginning source of that thing. And we are told that the Sea Beast had features of the lion, leopard, and bear kingdoms (Rev. 13:2), so that means the Sea Beast's biography first began with the lion kingdom (headed up by Nebuchadnezzar), and it continued to exist from that point forward to John's time.

Six hundred and sixty-six years later after the first deportation of Jews from Jerusalem, including Daniel, John told his readers to "calculate" that number of the Sea Beast by counting (backward in time) those six hundred and sixty-six years. By using just a little wisdom, John's readers would have recognized the beginning of the pagan Sea Beast powers which had all held control of the nation of Israel continuously over the centuries. One after the other, the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and finally Roman empires had held control over the nation of Israel except for a brief period of about 80 years under the Maccabees victories, (when Israel as the "Scarlet Beast" had existed as a sovereign nation). This is why the disciples asked Christ in Acts 1:6 if He was then going to "restore again the kingdom to Israel", because at that point in time, Israel as the Scarlet Beast had lost its existence to the control of the Roman phase of the Sea Beast.

The two-horned Pharisee and Sadducee religious leadership of the Land Beast was acting in collusion with the Roman phase of the Sea Beast in those first-century days, and in the very eyesight (Rev. 13:14) of the garrisoned Roman troops in Jerusalem's Fortress of Antonia overlooking the Temple's operations. This collusion of the Land Beast with the Sea Beast was done in order to keep the flow of money going into the priesthood's own pockets via the required, abominable Tyrian shekel - the "mark" which gave homage to the Roman phase of the Sea Beast.

Rome did not initiate this "mark". The required "mark" was handed out by the "den of thieves" money-changers (for a fee) at the direction of the priesthood. The Jewish leadership as the Land Beast / False Prophet did this to their own nation and to everyone from any nation who was coming to the Temple for worship. None could buy or sell sacrificial items for use in the Temple without that abominable Tyrian shekel "mark", imposed on everyone from 19 BC until AD 66. That was when the Zealot rebellion started minting the independent nation of Israel's (the Scarlet Beast's) own currency once more, and cast off their Roman governance.

The calculated 666 number is not a threat to us today. Neither is the "mark" of the long-dead Land Beast in honor of the Sea Beast a threat hanging over our heads. Neither is the existence of the Sea Beast or the Scarlet Beast a threat. Neither is the existence of Satan and the demonic realm a threat anymore.
 
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We always give something a name when it begins its existence, don't we? A child is born - it is given a name.
Yes, but we don't attach or emphasize a number to go with that name - as a requirement for everyone else to buy or sell.

Since in Revelation 13:16-17, it will be the false prophet who causes everyone to take the mark of the beast in their right hand, or in their foreheads - that no man will be allowed to buy or sell without the mark, name, or number of the beast's name - that law will enacted by the false prophet.

...but, it also says in Revelation 13:11 the false prophet speaks as a dragon - i.e. the false prophet will be getting his instructions from Satan.

So, the 666 and mark, appears to originate with Satan. And perhaps even the beast's name. i.e. that person will go by a different name, once he has been killed and comes back to life - as the beast. A name we do not currently know, but will add to 666.
 
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Yes, but we don't attach or emphasize a number to go with that name - as a requirement for everyone else to buy or sell.
That's immaterial to the point. We really do start numbering a child's years of life starting from that birthdate. It was the same for the Sea Beast when it first came into existence under the lion kingdom's Babylonian deportation of Daniel and those like him (the "good figs" deported from Jerusalem).

John attached a calculated number of years to that Sea Beast's biography for those to whom he was first writing. Anyone who had existed as part of that Sea Beast system had the calculated, numbered age of the Sea Beast's name connected with them. Roman citizens also used the abominable Tyrian shekel as well in those days, since everyone high and low of whatever nationality was required by the priesthood from 19 BC forward to use that Tyrian shekel "mark" giving homage to the Sea Beast if they wished to purchase or sell sacrificial items in the Temple.

However, once Eleazar the governor of the Temple in early AD 66 refused to allow any more sacrifices for or by anyone connected with Rome or any foreign nation, then that "mark" which had formerly been imposed by the two-horned Israelite Land Beast giving homage to the Sea Beast was eliminated.

I repeat - neither the "mark" nor the calculated 666 numbered age of the Sea Beast in John's days composes a threat to us today. It's ancient history.
 
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