Uganda legislature passes a law making it a crime to be gay [law signed, includes death penalty for some cases]

Amen! Bravo!

How scary and sad.

Whew, going full Islamist on this.

rjs330 said:

Whew, going full Islamist on this.

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I’m afraid there’s a bigger Christian influence in this case. indeed to some extend an American Evangelical influence. How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa

rjs330 said:

Whew, going full Islamist on this.

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Only about 14% of Uganda's population identifies as Muslim. In contrast, 84% identify as some flavor of Christianity.

RocksInMyHead said:

Only about 14% of Uganda's population identifies as Muslim. In contrast, 84% identify as some flavor of Christianity.

Religion in Uganda - Wikipedia

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Right, but this is typically an Islamist idea that takes place in Islamic countries. I'm a bit concerned that there is some serious Islamic influence going on.

I'm not aware of any Christians of any flavor petitioning the government for the death penalty of gays. That's an Islamic thing.

rjs330 said:

Right, but this is typically an Islamist idea that takes place in Islamic countries. I'm a bit concerned that there is some serious Islamic influence going on.

I'm not aware of any Christians of any flavor petitioning the government for the death penalty of gays. That's an Islamic thing.

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It has been cheered on by Christians in the threads about it here. Including this one.

rjs330 said:

Right, but this is typically an Islamist idea that takes place in Islamic countries. I'm a bit concerned that there is some serious Islamic influence going on.

I'm not aware of any Christians of any flavor petitioning the government for the death penalty of gays. That's an Islamic thing.

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Yeah, there's an interesting regional component to religion.

This is going back some years, but back when I was still going to a baptist church (when my parents made me go, but that's neither here nor there), I remember missionaries talking about how Christianity (in it's current forms in the various countries of the world), seem to hang onto (or attempt to blend with) other religious ideas that are (or were once) prevalent in the region.

Meaning, if you had a region that was once heavily Hindu or Sikh, the current form of Christianity (even if Christianity was what a lot of the people identified as currently), would have a lot of "hold-overs" from the religion that was once prevalent there that the "old timers" grew up with.

The one that sticks out in my mind is a missionary who was in China. Despite the fact that the regional pockets he worked in had a lot of people identifying as Christian, a lot of them were still engaging in ritualistic practices more closely associated with Buddhism and Taoism, and many peoples' version of Christianity ends up being something of a blend between American Christianity and the religion they grew up with.

A lot of times people in oppressed regions see Christianity as a symbol of the "westernized society" they aspire to be, so they want to adopt parts of it, but that doesn't change the culture of a region overnight with regards to extraneous cultural aspects.

rjs330 said:

Right, but this is typically an Islamist idea that takes place in Islamic countries. I'm a bit concerned that there is some serious Islamic influence going on.

I'm not aware of any Christians of any flavor petitioning the government for the death penalty of gays. That's an Islamic thing.

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If you followed the link I posted, you'll note that a group of American Evangelicals pushed this, and paid for much of the PR. And there is plenty of homegrown anti-LGBT sentiment among Nigerian Christians. I don't think this is due to Muslim influence.

rjs330 said:

Right, but this is typically an Islamist idea that takes place in Islamic countries. I'm a bit concerned that there is some serious Islamic influence going on.

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"Kill the evil thing" is a historically Christian idea as well. See the Inquisition, persecution of Jews, witch burnings, the Crusades, etc. Western Christianity has largely moved past that stage, but that's generally due to the influence of Western society as a whole - I think you'll find that Western Muslims (meaning those born/raised in Western society) have similar attitudes about the legal punishments for immorality to those of Western Christians, for example.

Bottom line: if you're ministering to a culture that has a tendency to kill people/things perceived as evil, then you have a responsibility to be very careful about what you present as evil.

hedrick said:

If you followed the link I posted, you'll note that a group of American Evangelicals pushed this, and paid for much of the PR. And there is plenty of homegrown anti-LGBT sentiment among Nigerian Christians. I don't think this is due to Muslim influence.

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I don't believe your link. It's an extremely biased article written by someone who obviously pro LGBTQ. It has all the rhetoric.

The other part of this I noticed was that this legislation wasn't about prosecuting gay people. It was about going after those who were having gay sex in while carrying aids. And those who were doing little boys. I would certainly those people need to be picked up.

RocksInMyHead said:

"Kill the evil thing" is a historically Christian idea as well. See the Inquisition, persecution of Jews, witch burnings, the Crusades, etc. Western Christianity has largely moved past that stage, but that's generally due to the influence of Western society as a whole - I think you'll find that Western Muslims (meaning those born/raised in Western society) have similar attitudes about the legal punishments for immorality to those of Western Christians, for example.

Bottom line: if you're ministering to a culture that has a tendency to kill people/things perceived as evil, then you have a responsibility to be very careful about what you present as evil.

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We moved past those things because Christians started learning about scripture for themselves instead of just entrusting their understanding to leaders who told them what the Bible said. As the people began to read the Bible and understand it for themselves they started to alter their beliefs. And much of the horrendous things we're done by the governments of the day which were notoriously cruel. People in general were far more brutal to each other way back when.

The Indians and Vikings were extremely brutal people. And the crusades? Let's not get started on the brutality of the muslims who were on a conquest mission and all the crusades were about was taking back what the muslims took in the first place.

rjs330 said:

I don't believe your link. It's an extremely biased article written by someone who obviously pro LGBTQ. It has all the rhetoric.

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rjs330 said:

Right, but this is typically an Islamist idea that takes place in Islamic countries. I'm a bit concerned that there is some serious Islamic influence going on.

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The death penalty was once the punishment for homosexuality in English Common Law where it remained a capital offence until 1861. The death penalty for homosexuality was also found in the law of many US colonies. I'm pretty certain this wasn't due to Islamic influence.

This article traces the legislative history ofstatutes prescribing the death penalty for sodomy in 17th-century New England and in the other American colonies.

Open discrimination against gays and lesbians has been evident in the Palmetto State almost from its founding. When the colonial government adopted English Common Law in 1712, it prohibited sodomy, saying “That if any man lieth with mankind as he lieth with a woman, they both shall suffer death.” The General Assembly refined the statute in 1814, writing, “[The] detestable and abominable vice of buggery [sodomy] . . . be from henceforth adjudged felony . . . and that the offender’s being hereof convicted by verdict, confession, or outlawry [unlawful flight to avoid prosecution], shall suffer such pains of death and losses and penalties of their goods.”

South Carolina, in 1869, was the last state to remove capital punishment for sodomy.

rjs330 said:

I'm not aware of any Christians of any flavor petitioning the government for the death penalty of gays. That's an Islamic thing.

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Here are a few.

rjs330 said:

We moved past those things because Christians started learning about scripture for themselves instead of just entrusting their understanding to leaders who told them what the Bible said. As the people began to read the Bible and understand it for themselves they started to alter their beliefs.

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Protestants weren't any better than Catholics in that respect. See Oliver Cromwell in England as well as the Salem witch trials for a couple examples.

rjs330 said:

The other part of this I noticed was that this legislation wasn't about prosecuting gay people. It was about going after those who were having gay sex in while carrying aids. And those who were doing little boys. I would certainly those people need to be picked up.

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The death penalty part, yes. Specifically for "aggravated homosexuality", which is somewhat loosely defined. However, the law also includes life imprisonment for anyone convicted of performing a sexual act with someone of the same gender and 7 years for "attempted homosexuality".

rjs330 said:

I don't believe your link. It's an extremely biased article written by someone who obviously pro LGBTQ. It has all the rhetoric.

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Some more reporting on the subject:

Friedrich Rubinstein said:

The more "the West" is "progressing" toward sexual deviance and open sodomy the more the rest of the world will have to implement such laws. Without the US and EU promoting LGBTQIP+ "rights" these African countries wouldn't even talk about legislature like this one.

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It should be a personal matter. And none of people business.BTW, Africa needs to worry more about the rapes against women. And the poor.