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.... and an expert in bible prophecy, if you can grasp all the information on this timeline chart of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9 - day 1 to day 2520.

On the chart below, the little horn as the prince who shall come > becomes the Antichrist > then is revealed as the man of sin > then becomes the beast.

Also, the three woes to the inhabitors of the earth, first spoke about in Revelation 8:13, are shown on the chart.

And all of the seals in relation to each other.





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"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."
Leonardo da Vinci

The more complex and specific eschatology you create, even to the level that you need various charts and graphs, the higher chance its wrong and useless.
 
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It is serious error to mix up the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls.
They are separate things and must occur in the sequence given in Revelation.

Thinking the Sixth Seal will happen when Jesus Returns, is obviously wrong, as He Returns in glory to rule the world not to destroy it. As we are told in Revelation 19:11-21, Jesus only destroys the armies gathered at Armageddon and then by the Sword of His Word; NOT by fire.
Fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis are Prophesied for the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, that is quite evident to be the next Prophesied event. It will prepare the world for all the rest, as described from Revelation 7 to 19:10.
 
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Also, the three woes to the inhabitors of the earth, first spoke about in Revelation 8:13, are shown on the chart.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.



The phrase “when he shall begin to sound”, when looked at in the Greek, should read “when he shall be about to sound.” Most commentaries say the mystery is finished at the same time the trumpet is sounded. Some of the Premill commentaries place the beginning of the millennium at this point which coincides with the mystery being finished and Revelation 11:15.

I’m no rocket scientist but it looks like you have the seventh trumpet sounding at the same time as the fifth trumpet. After the sixth angel sounds and unleashes his plague men still don’t repent according to Revelation 9:20-21.

If your chart is correct then apparently the mystery of God that is finished has no effect on the unsaved because they still don’t repent. What is the mystery of God that is finished when the seventh angel sounds?
 
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I’m no rocket scientist but it looks like you have the seventh trumpet sounding at the same time as the fifth trumpet.
I am saying that they (the seventh trumpet and the fifth trumpet) are pretty close. Because Satan is the falling angel in Revelation 9:1, who is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9 having just a time/times/half time left.

I put the time duration that each of those two woes lasts - so that a person can see the third woe lasts longer than the other two woes.

And that the other two woes fit withn that time/times/half time frame that Satan will be a terror.

Let's look at what it says about God's coming judgment on Satan, in Ezekiel 28:16-19....

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

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God says that Satan will be a terror when he is cast down to the ground (down to earth implied)

That goes along will what it says in Revelation 12:12 about Satan having great wrath when he finds himself cast down to earth - does it not?

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you,
having great wrath,because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
 
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If your chart is correct then apparently the mystery of God that is finished has no effect on the unsaved because they still don’t repent. What is the mystery of God that is finished when the seventh angel sounds?
I don't know if some will repent or not, and if some repent what number. Once the vials of God's wrath begin to be poured out, it seems to be intended that they repent.

For example...

Revelation 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

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The mystery of God that is finished in the day of the seventh angel sounding his trumpet - I think is in Daniel 2.

In the days of the ten toes, the ten kings that align themselves with the beast.... will the mystery of God be finished.

The mystery of God is to bring the kingdom of heaven here to this earth to rule over the nations, to become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ (from Revelation 11:15)

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
 
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It is serious error to mix up the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls.
They are separate things and must occur in the sequence given in Revelation.

Thinking the Sixth Seal will happen when Jesus Returns, is obviously wrong, as He Returns in glory to rule the world not to destroy it. As we are told in Revelation 19:11-21, Jesus only destroys the armies gathered at Armageddon and then by the Sword of His Word; NOT by fire.
Fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis are Prophesied for the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, that is quite evident to be the next Prophesied event. It will prepare the world for all the rest, as described from Revelation 7 to 19:10.
Keras, I think we are going to have to wait and see if your interpretations are fulfilled the way you think or not.

Because of what is going on in Ukraine, I think if the Russians attempt a large scale withdrawal to take their army back to Russia, that could be the prelude to Gog/Magog event because of what it says in Ezekiel 38 about God turning Gog's army back - dragging them into a conflict leading to the invasion of Israel.

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
 
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The mystery of God that is finished in the day of the saventh angel sounding his trumpet - I think is in Daniel 2.

In the days of the ten toes, the ten kings that align themselves with the beast.... will the mystery of God be finished.

The mystery of God is to bring the kingdom of heaven here to this earth to rule over the nations, to become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ (from Revelation 11:15)

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Alright Doug I think we do agree here, I would even say everywhere in the Bible we see a kingdom that last forever it’s talking about the same kingdom and this kingdom, once established, never stops and starts again as it’s continuous.

The big difference in peoples views seems to be when does or did this kingdom start. According to Revelation 11:15 it starts when the seventh angel sounds his trumpet. Would you then agree that the kingdom starts prior to the Daniel 2 statue being broken into pieces?
 
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Let's look at what it says about God's coming judgment on Satan, in Ezekiel 28:16-19....
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
The final demise of Satan occurs after the millennium, wouldn’t this be what Ezekiel 28:19 is referring to?
 
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The final demise of Satan occurs after the millennium, wouldn’t this be what Ezekiel 28:19 is referring to?
After his release from the bottomless pit prison, he won't have the power to be the terror that he will be during the time/times/half time.

He will be able to deceive the nations... but he himself will not have the same kind of power that he will have during the time/times/half time, which he will demand worship (or die) as he incarnates the statue image of the beast, that comes to life and speaks.
 
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After his release from the bottomless pit prison, he won't have the power to be the terror that he will be during the time/times/half time.

He will be able to deceive the nations... but he himself will not have the same kind of power that he will have during the time/times/half time, which he will demand worship (or die) as he incarnates the statue image of the beast, that comes to life and speaks.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Ok, then what about Ezekiel 28:18? Doesn’t this describe the fire in Revelation 20:9 that devours them? If Satan is burned to ashes prior to the millennium then how is it he can deceive once again after the millennium? Perhaps he is resurrected from the ashes and is devoured by fire more than once?
 
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Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.



The phrase “when he shall begin to sound”, when looked at in the Greek, should read “when he shall be about to sound.” Most commentaries say the mystery is finished at the same time the trumpet is sounded. Some of the Premill commentaries place the beginning of the millennium at this point which coincides with the mystery being finished and Revelation 11:15.

I’m no rocket scientist but it looks like you have the seventh trumpet sounding at the same time as the fifth trumpet. After the sixth angel sounds and unleashes his plague men still don’t repent according to Revelation 9:20-21.

If your chart is correct then apparently the mystery of God that is finished has no effect on the unsaved because they still don’t repent. What is the mystery of God that is finished when the seventh angel sounds?
Rev 10:7 is definitely not the start of the 7th Trumpet. It is directly occurring after Rev 9:13-21. After the 1/3 kill-off of humanity, then the covenant of peace is confirmed. Trumpets 1-5 = Daniel 9:26

The mystery of God is that the 'mighty angel' in Rev 10:1 is the prince of Tyre, the 'guardian cherub' of Ezekiel 28:14, and is the 'antichrist', the Daniel 7 Little Horn of the 4th Beast.

This 'mighty angel' breaks the covenant of Dan 9:27 at the 7th Trumpet - that is when the 'mystery' is revealed: surprise! there is another abomination to tempt the unfaithful who did not repent at Revelation 9:20-21.

Roughly speaking it means the 'mystery' is that there are actually 2 abominations: 1 that kicks it off going roughly from the 4th or 6th Seal (we know this because the potential kill-off of 1/4 of the world in the 4th Seal would be the equivalent of the 1/3 kill off in the 6th Trumpet:

8 billion - 1/4 = 6 billion. 2 billion killed.

6 billion - 1/3 = 4 billion. 2 billion killed.

Same amount of 'great tribulation' (2 billion dead.)

Alternately, if people are thinking it is the literal end of the world like in the 6th Seal, then this would be the start of the 'great tribulation' (when the abomination begins).

Bottom line, after the 'great tribulation' is over - then the false christ arrives: read Matt 24:15-24 again.

Note: there is probably 1 month between the abomination and the start of Feast of Tabernacles (the start of the Trumpets).

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Keras, I think we are going to have to wait and see if your interpretations are fulfilled the way you think or not.
The end times events will occur in the sequence as Prophesied in Revelation. Why not? Why shuffle the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls?
Messing around with Revelation is not advisable.

As for the current war in Ukraine, I envisage a peace settlement soon, as before the Lord strikes with His Day of fiery wrath, people will be saying: Peace and safety at last..... 1 Thess 5:3
And don't expect a rapture at any time!
 
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Rev 10:7 is definitely not the start of the 7th Trumpet. It is directly occurring after Rev 9:13-21. After the 1/3 kill-off of humanity, then the covenant of peace is confirmed. Trumpets 1-5 = Daniel 9:26
How can Revelation 10:7 not be talking about the start of the seventh trumpet? Are you thinking that in the KJV the voice of the seventh angel doesn’t mean noise from the trumpet?

NIV

But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

ESV

but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

Amplified Bible

but when it is time for the trumpet call of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God [that is, His hidden purpose and plan] is finished, as He announced the gospel to His servants the prophets.
 
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Ok, then what about Ezekiel 28:18? Doesn’t this describe the fire in Revelation 20:9 that devours them? If Satan is burned to ashes prior to the millennium then how is it he can deceive once again after the millennium? Perhaps he is resurrected from the ashes and is devoured by fire more than once?
What I think is that since it says in Revelation 13.4 they worship the dragon (Satan), is that when Satan is cast down to earth, he will incarnate the statue image of the beast.

Since the false prophet will have the people of the world make the image (remember back in Exodus when the people contributed their gold as Aaron fashion the golden calf) they will know that in and of itself it has no life.

Thus, when Satan incarnates the image , seemingly as a result of a miracle performed by the false prophet to make it come alive and speak, that's how Satan will be worshipped, as the world will be deceived thinking it is some divine power speaking to them, through the image.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

So, when Jesus returns to the mount of Olives, the brightness coming forth from his eyes focused on the image - will cause the statue image to burst into flames and turned to ashes. And there will stand Satan on the temple mount, exposed, for all to behold (see literally) him.



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.... and an expert in bible prophecy, if you can grasp all the information on this timeline chart of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9 - day 1 to day 2520.

On the chart below, the little horn as the prince who shall come > becomes the Antichrist > then is revealed as the man of sin > then becomes the beast.

Also, the three woes to the inhabitors of the earth, first spoke about in Revelation 8:13, are shown on the chart.

And all of the seals in relation to each other.





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Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained "Future"?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.
No, not 7 day periods, 490 literal days - because Daniel lived 400 years before Jesus. So it could not have been 483 days from the time the command was given to rebuild Jerusalem unto messiah.
 
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The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.
How you get a 3.5 year tribulation - if the 70th week is only 7 days long in your assertion ?
 
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No, not 7 day periods, 490 literal days - because Daniel lived 400 years before Jesus. So it could not have been 483 days from the time the command was given to rebuild Jerusalem unto messiah.
As was shown, it's a "Future" command to build
 
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How you get a 3.5 year tribulation - if the 70th week is only 7 days long in your assertion ?
As was shown, Daniel's 70 weeks are future, and they have nothing to do with your interpretation that is found within dispensationalism

The 3.5 year great tribulation will start when (The Man Of Sin/The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem, proclaim to be God Messiah on earth
 
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