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I wouldn't attend the ceremony in the first place.
That's a good way to avoid the suggestion you made.
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I wouldn't attend the ceremony in the first place.
That suggestion was for anyone who chose to attend. The better course of action is not to even go in the first place, and not give affirmation to such a thing.That's a good way to avoid the suggestion you made.
Do you have suggestions for those who go to those places? Any tips on the proper response to said activities?For the record, I choose not to go to crack houses or strip clubs as well. Am I avoiding any "suggestions" by not going to those places?
If you go, turn around and leave.Do you have suggestions for those who go to those places? Any tips on the proper response to said activities?
at what point do I begin not wishing anyone the very best, regardless of whatever sin is their burden to bear? I don't get that. The moment I start wishing anyone in any circumstances anything less than the best- the moment I loose that desire and the ability to act on it regardless of what others do- is precisely the moment I no longer abide in the love of Christ.
No, of course not.What do you believe Jesus would have done then (or would do today) if sinners invited Jesus to a strip club, or a crack house? Would He show up there? Maybe or maybe not, but then would He have started throwing dollar bills at the strippers and asked for a lap dance? If he went to the crack house, do you think He would be lighting up along with everyone else?
Going to a marriage service does not mean going to the reception and taking part in the speeches.In the same way, if He had been invited to a gay "wedding", do you believe He would be giving a speech and toasting the new "couple" and wishing them a happy "marriage" when in fact it's nothing more than a mockery of marriage?
@public hermit is correct that the point of that part of the service was to allow any legal impediment to the marriage to be made known. It was not to allow anyone to air any disapproval or other personal objection. And, fwiw, it's generally not used now anyway.Then what's the point of asking if anyone objects if they're just going to go ahead with it anyway?
I think assuming that every situation can be treated as the same, with one flat answer to everything, is unhepfully simplistic and reductionist.
I didn't watch the video in the OP, so I can't comment on his approach. However, my comment stands; it's not helpful, when dealing with the complex and multi-layered issues and relationships involved in decisions like this, to try to impose a flat, one-size-fits-all answer.Do you think Dr. Gagnon is simplistic and reductionist ?
I didn't watch the video in the OP, so I can't comment on his approach. However, my comment stands; it's not helpful, when dealing with the complex and multi-layered issues and relationships involved in decisions like this, to try to impose a flat, one-size-fits-all answer.
I do not recall that Scripture ever said, thou shalt not be in the presence of someone who is doing something wrong. Just as well, or we'd all be hermits.Yes, well said - that sums up a prevailing attitude towards what were the 'non-negotiable' in God's Word.
'Thou shalt' becomes subject to an analysis of the complexities and multi-layered issues around the matter.
'Thou shalt' becomes lost in 'will it offend' 'is it cool' 'is it PC' 'does it make sense in the modern culture' 'would it have majority approval' 'would it violate the image we want the Church to have' 'was it meant for a bygone age' 'would it be accepted by society' 'have we moved on'
The Sword of the Spirit ceases to cut cheese.
I do not recall that Scripture ever said, thou shalt not be in the presence of someone who is doing something wrong. Just as well, or we'd all be hermits.
The OP didn't stipulate that this was a believers' wedding, or a church wedding, for that matter.1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
Would he have said that to Jesus?1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
If the marriage would not be legal due to either one or both already being married, the two being close relatives (how close varies by state) or for some other reason the marriage would be unlawful and void then that is what that is for not legal marriages ( and sense gay marriage is legal that would count not marriages with which a particular person disagrees with for whatever their reasoning may be.Then what's the point of asking if anyone objects if they're just going to go ahead with it anyway?
For a start, it's an oxymoron. To attend is to condone.Can we discuss this important topic.
For background I suggest viewing this video that presents the issue quite thoroughly.
Your considered comments most welcome.
Did Peter cease to abide in the Love of Christ ? Was it unloving to proclaim consequences for their sin ?
Acts 5
a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.
7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you[a] sold the land for so much.” And she said, “Yes, for so much.” 9 But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things.
And Jesus - did he cease to love when he zealously drove the money lenders out of the temple with a whip of cords?
John 2:15
And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.
Maybe we need to reflect on what is Love in circumstances when distain for God's ways is in our face and sin prevails.