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TribulationSigns · May 17, 2023

Spiritual Jew said:
The word "after" does not mean "at the end of". Please stop this dishonest tactic of redefining words to support your doctrine.

Bingo.

Douggg · May 17, 2023

Spiritual Jew said:
The word "after" does not mean "at the end of". Please stop this dishonest tactic of redefining words to support your doctrine.

There is no separation of time between the end of the 62 weeks and the arrival of the messiah. Jesus was not cutoff "after" 62 1/2 weeks.

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The prince who shall come is NOT Jesus. Jesus is the messiah cutoff.

I show on my chart, the 62 weeks. Then the arrival of the messiah. The prophecy is not about the beginning of the messiah's ministry and the length of it - so that he is cutoff 3 1/2 years later - in the middle of the 70th week - as you doctrine insists of when the messiah was crucified.

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah in John 12:12-15. Four days later, Jesus was crucified.

Please show your chart of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9.

Douggg · May 17, 2023

Spiritual Jew said:
The word "after" does not mean "at the end of". Please stop this dishonest tactic of redefining words to support your doctrine.

I read what you wrote the first time. My chart has not changed.

Please show your chart of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9.

TribulationSigns · May 17, 2023

Douggg said:
The prince who shall come is NOT Jesus. Jesus is the messiah cutoff.

Yes, yes, yes! Jesus is Messiah THE PRINCE per context. He was the coming prince and His people is Jews, people of His congregation Israel at the time! The prince has nothing to do with Titus, Romans, or even antichrist. It is still talking about Messiah the Prince. He was cutoff at the Cross. Period.

Douggg said:
I show on my chart, the 62 weeks. Then the arrival of the messiah. The prophecy is not about the beginning of the messiah's ministry and the length of it - so that he is cutoff 3 1/2 years later - in the middle of the 70th week - as you doctrine insists of when the messiah was crucified.

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah in John 12:12-15. Four days later, Jesus was crucified.

You got the timing on "coming of Messiah the Prince" all messed up.

The coming of Messiah the Prince, and the anointing of the Holy of HOLIEST. (remember, this is what Daniel says. It's 62 X 7 after the 7 x7 to the coming of Messiah the Prince). And so in order to be faithful to scripture, the 434 years must lead to the coming of Messiah the Prince, without any twisting, wresting or fudging. And Magnificently, it does! When We go to the scriptures, we see that this is the exact year that Christ officially began His role as high priest. This is the year He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit and was 'announced' and baptized by John the Baptist. This is when God had the dove descend upon Him, and of His officially taking on His office. This is the year when (as it was written), John, having prepared the way, gave way to Christ. John had prepared the way for this, 'His Coming!'

This is why John said that now he had to decrease, while Christ increased. This is why Jesus said, 'The TIME is fulfilled, the Kingdom of God is at hand.' This is the acceptable year, this is the time of His anointing. This is when Jesus went to the Temple, opened up the book of Isaiah, and read:

Luke 4:18-21

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath Anointed Meto preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
to preach the Acceptable Year of the Lord.
and He closed the book, and He gave it again to the minister and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on Him.
and He began to say unto them, This day is this scripture Fulfilled in your ears."

Is this the acceptable Year? That's what the scriptures tell us! Not only is it confirmed by Christ Himself that this is the acceptable year, Jesus goes a step further and tells us plainly, "This DAY is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." In other words, that prophecy of the coming of Messiah was talking about this year, this time. And Jesus went out and was ANOINTED by the Holy Spirit. This was the year of the official anointing of the Messiah. John had prepared the way, and Jesus came after (John 1:30), to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And He preaches for 3 and 1/2 years, and was crucified in 33 A.D.

Malachi 3:1

"Behold, I will send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His Temple, even the MESSENGER of The COVENANT, whom ye delight in: Behold, He shall come, saith the LORD."

Clearly, the prophecy of His coming is after John the Baptist prepares the way. And the year of His coming, the year when John decreased and He increased, the year John baptized Him, the year when He was anointed, the year when the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove and God spoke saying, This is My beloved, the year He took on His office had come, this year was 29 A.D. From the word to build again Jerusalem to Messiah the Prince, is a Jubile year (7 x 7 weeks) plus 434 years. Understanding this, we can comprehend why this, 'from' the word to restore Jerusalem is 7 sevens, and then 62 sevens, and not just written as 69 sevens. And the verse further informs us by stating that we are to know and understand or consider wisely. When God uses language like that (as in Matthew 24:15, Revelation 13:18), He is alerting us that it's not easily understood. This understanding, this wisdom to know, comes 'only' with careful study and comparisons of the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit of Truth working within each true Believer revealing truth..

Daniel 9:26

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war, desolations are determined."

After the 62 weeks, AFTER this time of the coming of Messiah, He will be cut off. The language of being 'Cut Off' in the scriptures is the language of God's judgment. But NOTE it says, 'but not for Himself.' That is because Messiah was cut off for the sins of 'His People!'

Isaiah 53:8

"He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare His generation? for He was CUT OFF out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was He stricken."

He was cut off from the living not for Himself, but for the transgressions of His people. Not Titus. Not Romans!!! The people of this Prince (Messiah) that shall come, are the people of Israel! Period! But of course, UNFORTUNATELY, there are those, like YOU, who try to wrest (twist) or FORCE these scriptures and/or the following passage, to say anti-Christ, Titus, or the Romans are those who are being spoken about here. But as you can clearly see (He who hath eyes to see) there is no mention of any evil Prince here. Neither is it in 'any' translation, nor is it in the original language!! This is simply an idea out of the mind of man, Dougg! Not the Word of God. Clearly, the only Prince that is being spoken about here is Messiah, the Prince. And so the only people of the Prince that is being spoken of here, is Israel. It's clear that the whole context of the chapter is about the people of Messiah, this Prince that shall come. There is nothing in these passages to lead anyone to believe that Titus or any anti-Christ type Prince was spoken of here. ..unless, you were predisposed to thinking that way by some teacher or Church which taught you this error! In the original language, it is crystal clear. Some translators, and unfortunately, Premillennial theologians, have let their bias creep into their theology, and even some newer translations add commentary to God's Word.

SELAH!

keras · May 17, 2023

TribulationSigns said:
After the 62 weeks, AFTER this time of the coming of Messiah, He will be cut off. The language of being 'Cut Off' in the scriptures is the language of God's judgment. But NOTE it says, 'but not for Himself.' That is because Messiah was cut off for the sins of 'His People!'

Right,
Therefore, the Sixty Ninth 'week' ended at that point.
It is unscriptural false teaching to say that the 69th period of 7 years, continued after the Crucifixion.

Douggg · May 17, 2023

TribulationSigns said:
The coming of Messiah the Prince, and the anointing of the Holy of HOLIEST. (remember, this is what Daniel says. It's 62 X 7 after the 7 x7 to the coming of Messiah the Prince). And so in order to be faithful to scripture, the 434 years must lead to the coming of Messiah the Prince, without any twisting, wresting or fudging. And Magnificently, it does! When We go to the scriptures, we see that this is the exact year that Christ officially began His role as high priest. This is the year He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit and was 'announced' and baptized by John the Baptist. This is when God had the dove descend upon Him, and of His officially taking on His office. This is the year when (as it was written), John, having prepared the way, gave way to Christ. John had prepared the way for this, 'His Coming!'

You are trying to make Jesus cutoff- crucified - after 69 1/2 weeks. Get right to the point. Is that not what you are saying ?

Douggg · May 17, 2023

keras said:
Right,
Therefore, the Sixty Ninth 'week' ended at that point.
It is unscriptural false teaching to say that the 69th period of 7 years, continued after the Crucifixion.

keras, what Tribulation Signs is saying is that Jesus was crucified after 69 1/2 weeks, i.e. in the middle of the 7 years.

Douggg · May 17, 2023

TribulationSigns said:
Yes, yes, yes! Jesus is Messiah THE PRINCE per context. He was the coming prince and His people is Jews, people of His congregation Israel at the time! The prince has nothing to do with Titus, Romans, or even antichrist. It is still talking about Messiah the Prince. He was cutoff at the Cross. Period.

You got the timing on "coming of Messiah the Prince" all messed up.

The coming of Messiah the Prince, and the anointing of the Holy of HOLIEST. (remember, this is what Daniel says. It's 62 X 7 after the 7 x7 to the coming of Messiah the Prince). And so in order to be faithful to scripture, the 434 years must lead to the coming of Messiah the Prince, without any twisting, wresting or fudging. And Magnificently, it does! When We go to the scriptures, we see that this is the exact year that Christ officially began His role as high priest. This is the year He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit and was 'announced' and baptized by John the Baptist. This is when God had the dove descend upon Him, and of His officially taking on His office. This is the year when (as it was written), John, having prepared the way, gave way to Christ. John had prepared the way for this, 'His Coming!'

This is why John said that now he had to decrease, while Christ increased. This is why Jesus said, 'The TIME is fulfilled, the Kingdom of God is at hand.' This is the acceptable year, this is the time of His anointing. This is when Jesus went to the Temple, opened up the book of Isaiah, and read:

Luke 4:18-21

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath Anointed Meto preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

to preach the Acceptable Year of the Lord.

and He closed the book, and He gave it again to the minister and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on Him.

and He began to say unto them, This day is this scripture Fulfilled in your ears."

Is this the acceptable Year? That's what the scriptures tell us! Not only is it confirmed by Christ Himself that this is the acceptable year, Jesus goes a step further and tells us plainly, "This DAY is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." In other words, that prophecy of the coming of Messiah was talking about this year, this time. And Jesus went out and was ANOINTED by the Holy Spirit. This was the year of the official anointing of the Messiah. John had prepared the way, and Jesus came after (John 1:30), to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And He preaches for 3 and 1/2 years, and was crucified in 33 A.D.

Malachi 3:1

"Behold, I will send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His Temple, even the MESSENGER of The COVENANT, whom ye delight in: Behold, He shall come, saith the LORD."

Clearly, the prophecy of His coming is after John the Baptist prepares the way. And the year of His coming, the year when John decreased and He increased, the year John baptized Him, the year when He was anointed, the year when the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove and God spoke saying, This is My beloved, the year He took on His office had come, this year was 29 A.D. From the word to build again Jerusalem to Messiah the Prince, is a Jubile year (7 x 7 weeks) plus 434 years. Understanding this, we can comprehend why this, 'from' the word to restore Jerusalem is 7 sevens, and then 62 sevens, and not just written as 69 sevens. And the verse further informs us by stating that we are to know and understand or consider wisely. When God uses language like that (as in Matthew 24:15, Revelation 13:18), He is alerting us that it's not easily understood. This understanding, this wisdom to know, comes 'only' with careful study and comparisons of the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit of Truth working within each true Believer revealing truth..

Daniel 9:26

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war, desolations are determined."

After the 62 weeks, AFTER this time of the coming of Messiah, He will be cut off. The language of being 'Cut Off' in the scriptures is the language of God's judgment. But NOTE it says, 'but not for Himself.' That is because Messiah was cut off for the sins of 'His People!'

Isaiah 53:8

"He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare His generation? for He was CUT OFF out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was He stricken."

He was cut off from the living not for Himself, but for the transgressions of His people. Not Titus. Not Romans!!! The people of this Prince (Messiah) that shall come, are the people of Israel! Period! But of course, UNFORTUNATELY, there are those, like YOU, who try to wrest (twist) or FORCE these scriptures and/or the following passage, to say anti-Christ, Titus, or the Romans are those who are being spoken about here. But as you can clearly see (He who hath eyes to see) there is no mention of any evil Prince here. Neither is it in 'any' translation, nor is it in the original language!! This is simply an idea out of the mind of man, Dougg! Not the Word of God. Clearly, the only Prince that is being spoken about here is Messiah, the Prince. And so the only people of the Prince that is being spoken of here, is Israel. It's clear that the whole context of the chapter is about the people of Messiah, this Prince that shall come. There is nothing in these passages to lead anyone to believe that Titus or any anti-Christ type Prince was spoken of here. ..unless, you were predisposed to thinking that way by some teacher or Church which taught you this error! In the original language, it is crystal clear. Some translators, and unfortunately, Premillennial theologians, have let their bias creep into their theology, and even some newer translations add commentary to God's Word.

SELAH!

The pirnce who shall will be the little horn person of Daniel 7 and Daniel 8, who comes from north and west of Israel, Daniel 8:9 , into the middle east with his EU army, to secure all of the all in the region for the EU and west.

He will be a Jew, and the Jews will perceive him to be the messiah, and he will be anointed the King of Israel messiah - coming his own name, the Antichrist.

The Jews have had several "failed" messiahs, as they prefer to call them, since Jesus's time, such as Simon bar Kokhba, Sabbatavi Zevi . But none of those failed messiahs ever got to the point of being anointed the King of Israel.

Here's the list of failed messiah's Six Failed Messiahs From Jewish History

Spiritual Jew · May 17, 2023

Douggg said:
I read what you wrote the first time. My chart has not changed.

The word "after" does not mean "at the end of". Please stop this dishonest tactic of redefining words to support your doctrine.

Douggg said:
Please show your chart of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9.

No need for a chart. I can read and so can everyone here, including you. No charts are necessary. We're not children who need pictures to understand things. Jesus confirmed the new covenant during the 70th week long ago. I don't need a chart to show that. There are no charts in scripture.

Douggg · May 17, 2023

Spiritual Jew said:
The word "after" does not mean "at the end of". Please stop this dishonest tactic of redefining words to support your doctrine.

No need for a chart. I can read and so can everyone here, including you. No charts are necessary. We're not children who need pictures to understand things. Jesus confirmed the new covenant during the 70th week long ago. I don't need a chart to show that. There are no charts in scripture.

Spiritual Jew, well I guess you are not able to make your view fit on a chart.

Can you read ? Yes, obviously. Do you understand what you are reading in Daniel 9 ? No.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

69 weeks UNTO messiah. Messiah arrives at the end of - the 69th week (the end day of it). Because his arrival is not after 69 weeks. His arrival and the end of the 69th week is what I show on my chart, coinciding.

Two questions for you: You tell me, does the text say the messiah's arrival is after 69 weeks ? If so, how many days (or years as the case may be) after the 69 weeks, do you claim the messiah arrives in Jerusalem?

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After his arrival (coinciding with the end day of the 69 weeks) in Jerusalem, the messiah is cutoff, after the 69 weeks are over. 4 days after. I show 4 days on my chart from the arrival of the messiah to him being cutoff, Then a unspecified gap of time until the 70th week begins, as I show on my chart

You tell me, how far after the 69 weeks, in your interpretation - since you can't make a chart - is the messiah cutoff ?

Douggg · May 17, 2023

@Spiritual Jew

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Verse 25 is talking about unto the arrival of the Messiah into Jerusalem. Jerusalem, not his birth in Bethlehem. Jerusalem, not his being baptized in the Jordan River. Jerusalem, not in Cana of Galilee where Jesus turned the water into wine.

Jersualem, not Bethany where Jesus brought Lazarus back to life. Jerusalem, not the sea of Galilee, where Jesus chose Peter and Andrew to be two of his disciples.

After Jesus traveled throughout Israel, preaching the kingdom, his arrival in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah King of Israel that cometh in the name of Lord - is in John 12:12-15.

12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

TribulationSigns · May 18, 2023

Douggg said:
You are trying to make Jesus cutoff- crucified - after 69 1/2 weeks. Get right to the point. Is that not what you are saying ?

What did God actually say?

Dan 9:26
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

It says after 62 weeks. Not after 69 weeks or 69-1/2 weeks!

TribulationSigns · May 18, 2023

Douggg said:
keras, what Tribulation Signs is saying is that Jesus was crucified after 69 1/2 weeks, i.e. in the middle of the 7 years.

I did not say that. You are probably misread and confused. This explains why you wrote "middle of the 7 years" when I never use that term in my doctrine. The 70th week is NOT 7 years in length!

keras · May 18, 2023

Douggg said:
keras, what Tribulation Signs is saying is that Jesus was crucified after 69 1/2 weeks, i.e. in the middle of the 7 years.

Yes; that is the wrong belief of those people determined to fit the 70th 'week', into the past.
They say the after means some time later, but even one second later from a specified event, is after it.

eleos1954 · May 18, 2023

Douggg said:
eleos, how does the pope or anyone else defile the sanctuary (temple) in heaven, in order that God's temple in heaven needs to be cleansed ?

Also there has been no earthly sanctuary (temple) here on earth in Jerusalem during the entire reign of Popes. The last temple was destroyed in 70 ad.

There have been many antichirsts (false teachers ... not just the papacy) .... but in the end time there will be one prominent antichrist that will lead the world astray (1st beast) along with a governmental power (2nd beast) all the kings of the earth (global rule by these powers). It is a great deception .... will show miracles and wonders. People will be misled by false teachings (deceived), behind all this is of course satan .... who will eventually appear disguised as an angel of light (many will think he is Jesus) and will worship him.

The temple in heaven is where everyones sin is stored .... until the day of atonement (when Jesus returns), the plan of salvation does not come to full fruition until Jesus returns .... until then we all live in all the promises made by God (faith). It has been by faith since the promise made in the garden of Eden ..... you (satan) will bruise His (Jesus) heal but He (Jesus) will crush your (satan) head .... pointing to the victory of Jesus to come.

Did you go read (in depth) about the earthly temple? People came and gave sacrifices throughout the year .... Their sins were forgiven but the earthly temple was defiled with all the people's confessed sins (throughout the year and stored therein) .... but once a year the temple was cleansed (go read about that as well) an example of the day of atonement that would happen when Jesus returns.

It is all confessed sin that is stored in the heavenly sanctuary that defiles it (earthly temples gave an illustration of the reality that would come) .... there is not active sinning going on in heaven. Active sin in heaven ended when Lucifer and the 1/3 were cast down to earth. Satan realized his defeat when Jesus died on the cross. Now, it is a matter of when Jesus returns when all the saved become both spiritually and physically united with Him (in His physical presence) totally cleansed of sin for eternity.

We experience a spiritual relationship with the Lord until He returns ..... when He returns is WHEN (1st resurrection) we will be both physically and spiritually united with Him for eternity ... at one with Him. (but this is not the full end) ... until then we live by faith believing all the promises He has made will come to fruition .... and the just shall live by faith .... and it has always been this way (by faith) and will continue until He returns.

And the just shall live by faith!!!

There is a lot to be learned by studying and understanding what the earthly temples were all about .... I recommend people to an in depth study of it .... it shows how salvation is accomplished through Jesus who is our High Priest in heaven ..... performing His priestly duties in heaven.

The papacy ..... there is no other religious power that actively seeks to unite with all of the the powers of the earth (christian or not). The pope actively meets with all of them .... promoting what? Jesus? No ..... promoting ecumenism .... (the common good) .... humanism.

Humanism

an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.

Douggg · May 18, 2023

eleos1954 said:
The temple in heaven is where everyones sin is stored ....

eleos, what bible passages are you getting that from ?

Spiritual Jew · May 19, 2023

Douggg said:
Spiritual Jew, well I guess you are not able to make your view fit on a chart.

If you can, then I can. I would be able to do that very easily because my view is not nearly as convoluted as yours.

Douggg said:
Can you read ? Yes, obviously.

So, why did you ask? Are you losing your mind, Douggg?

Douggg said:
Do you understand what you are reading in Daniel 9 ? No.

The correct answer is yes. You are wrong yet again.

Douggg said:
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

69 weeks UNTO messiah. Messiah arrives at the end of - the 69th week (the end day of it). Because his arrival is not after 69 weeks.

I never said that His ARRIVAL is after the 69th week. It looks like you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Douggg said:
His arrival and the end of the 69th week is what I show on my chart, coinciding.

You are a child who can only communicate with pictures? You are unable to put this into words even though scripture itself has no charts and only explains these things with words?

Douggg said:
Two questions for you: You tell me, does the text say the messiah's arrival is after 69 weeks ?

No. He is cut off after 69 weeks. That's "after", Douggg. Not "at the end of" as you claim. Tell me, if I say that something will happen 4 days from now, will it happen after today or at the end of today?

Douggg said:
If so, how many days (or years as the case may be) after the 69 weeks, do you claim the messiah arrives in Jerusalem?

I have never said that. As I always say to everyone who does this, you can't get back the time you waste making straw man arguments.

Douggg said:
After his arrival (coinciding with the end day of the 69 weeks) in Jerusalem, the messiah is cutoff, after the 69 weeks are over.

Yes, some time AFTER that and it does not specify how long after. Can you admit that?

Douggg said:
4 days after.

Wrong.

Douggg said:
I show 4 days on my chart from the arrival of the messiah to him being cutoff,

You could only show that with a chart? Too difificult to just say that?

Douggg said:
Then a unspecified gap of time until the 70th week begins, as I show on my chart

Clearly, the 70th week starts right after the 69th week ends just as the 69th week started right after the 68th week ended, the 68th week started right after the 67th week ended and so on.

Douggg said:
You tell me,

You're so demanding, Douggg....

Douggg said:
how far after the 69 weeks, in your interpretation - since you can't make a chart - is the messiah cutoff ?

Don't lie, Douggggggg. I can make a chart. You are acting as if you have no reading comprehension skills at all, so you can only understanding things with charts. Is that right, Douggg? Well, most of us are not like that, so you can't expect the rest of us to make charts just because you do.

My interpretation, as I've shared with you several times before (your memory is faulty), is that the Messiah is cut off about 3 1/2 years after the 69th week ends. I understand Daniel 9:27 to be talking about Christ confirming the new covenant and He confirmed and established the new covenant while the old covenant and its animal sacrifices and offerings obsolet by way of His death on the cross.

Spiritual Jew · May 19, 2023

Douggg said:
@Spiritual Jew

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Verse 25 is talking about unto the arrival of the Messiah into Jerusalem. Jerusalem, not his birth in Bethlehem. Jerusalem, not his being baptized in the Jordan River. Jerusalem, not in Cana of Galilee where Jesus turned the water into wine.

Jersualem, not Bethany where Jesus brought Lazarus back to life. Jerusalem, not the sea of Galilee, where Jesus chose Peter and Andrew to be two of his disciples.

After Jesus traveled throughout Israel, preaching the kingdom, his arrival in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah King of Israel that cometh in the name of Lord - is in John 12:12-15.

12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

You are acting as if you've never said this before. I already know what you believe about this, Douggg. I don't find your explanation any more convincing now than the previous thousand times you posted it.

Douggg · May 19, 2023

Spiritual Jew said:
My interpretation, as I've shared with you several times before (your memory is faulty), is that the Messiah is cut off about 3 1/2 years after the 69th week ends.

3 1/2 years is a half week. The test does not says after 69 1/2 weeks.

Spiritual Jew · May 19, 2023

Douggg said:
3 1/2 years is a half week. The test does not says after 69 1/2 weeks.

It also doesn't say after 69 weeks and 4 days. We both come to our conclusions regarding how long after the 69th week He is cut off based on our understanding of other scripture. It would be nice if you could just be honest and admit that instead of trying to deceitfully redefine the word "after" to mean "at the end of".

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