Certainly, you must realize by now that there is not one mention anywhere in the Old Covenant that God is three?
Verses showing Plurality in the OT:
Gen. 1:26, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . ."
Gen. 19:24, "Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven."
Amos 4:10-11, "I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah . . . '"
Is. 44:6, "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me . . . " See also, Isaiah 48:16.
Can we see God?
Gen. 17:1, "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty; walk before Me, and be blameless."
Gen. 18:1, "Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day."
Exodus 6:2-3, "God spoke further to Moses and said to him, I am the LORD; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name LORD I did not make myself known to them.'"
Exodus 24:9-11, "Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they beheld God, and they ate and drank."
Exodus 33:11, "Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend..."
Num. 12:6-8, "He [God] said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; with him I speak mouth to mouth, even openly, and not in dark sayings, and he beholds the form of the LORD . . . "
Acts 7:2, "And he [Stephen] said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran. . . "
Unlike most verses in the OT of this nature, the ones above do not say "visions", or "dreams", or the "Angel of the LORD" as a means of seeing God, but rather they say that people saw God, and that He was seen, and that He appeard as the God almighty.
How can this be?
The solution is simple. All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the people of the OT were seeing God, the Almighty God, and Jesus said that no one has ever seen the Father (John 6:46), then they were seeing God Almighty, but not the Father.
So who were they seeing?
It was someone else in the Godhead. I suggest that they were seeing the Word before He became incarnate. In other words, they were seeing Jesus; compare John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14:
John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
In stark contrast to all religions outside of Israel, the God of Israel was unique in that He was an indivisible One.
That was apparently only seen by a few...
He has never even alluded to being three in the Old Covenant. Ever. He has explicitly declared and revealed Himself to the people of Israel as One,
I never claimed there was three gods. The Trinity Doctrine makes claim to there being One God, and One God only.
and no savior besides Him,
Except Jesus...
He is the first and final
Now, I thought Jesus was the Alpha and Omega.. what do they mean again?
Please, Zone, dont tell me God was revealing Himself as a trinity to Noah.
Not that we see in scripture, and I said I wasnt basing my view in scripture.. it was just a speculation using logic regarding the origin of Trinitarian concpets in pegan mythos which came about after Noah.
He plainly was not and to allude to that is to be either plainly deceptive or unaware of the Old Covenant scriptures. Whenever, they built tabernacles or altars for God (i.e. Abraham, Jacob, etc.) they never built three because they believed there were three to worship. They built one tabernacle or altar for they knew He was One and they worshipped only One.
So, again I ask, why do you think the Trinity teaches there is more than one God?
"There is one God. There is only one God. This doctrine is central to the Bible message, for both the Old Testament and the New Testament teach it plainly and emphatically. Despite the simplicity of this message and the clarity with which the Bible presents it, many who believe in the existence of God have not understood it. Even within Christendom many people, including theologians, have not comprehended this beautiful and essential message. Our purpose is to address this problem, and to affirm and explain the biblical doctrine of the oneness of God.
Hmm.. well, lets talk terms a minute. One and Oneness are not saying the same thing. I agree that God is One, but i do not accept the Oneness philosophy.
Within the ranks of trinitarianism, one can discern two extreme tendencies. On the one hand, some trinitarians emphasize the unity of God without having a carefully developed understanding of what is meant by three distinct persons in the Godhead. On the other hand, other trinitarians emphasize the threeness of the trinity to the point that they believe in three self-conscious beings, and their view is essentially tritheistic.
I lean more toward the first...
In summary, Christendom has produced four basic views of the Godhead: (1) trinitarianism, (2) binitarianism, (3) strict monotheism with a denial of the full deity of Jesus Christ, and (4) strict monotheism with an affirmation of the full deity of Jesus Christ, or Oneness."
I would stay away from number 3, but the others I don;t have a problem with.
Now according to the definition of monotheism and tritheism, and the comments that you agreed with from you first post, you have admitted to teaching and believing in a tritheisic god, not a monotheistic God.
I bet you were hoping I would catch that twist, huh? I in no way said anything that support s atritheistic view. Not at all. By saying that you have labled yourself a liar in my book.
You yourself said that trinitarianism is not tritheism. GO figure. You tried and failed to snare me there.
