Age Of The Universe

Diamond7 said:

I said Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. This is based on ONE word in Genesis 2:4 "generations"

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

This is difficult for people that so much in Genesis depends on the meaning of one word. Today we use the word genealogies. With animals we use the word pedigree. We do see thisagain in Genesis 2:4, 1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in His own likeness. 2Male and female He created them, and He blessed them. And in the day they were created, He called them “man.”

There are lots of diamonds in this: "this is the book of the generation", "In the day God created man", notice he called them man. אָדָ֔ם ’ā-ḏām.

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How do you know how many years separate the current generation from the previous one? If people got as old as Genesis says they did, I would think that back then, a human generation would have been longer than 20 or 25 years. So I don't want to read 21st-century periods into that ancient book.

Besides, "generation" can be an abstract noun form of the verb "to generate." Before my mom died on November 10, 2020, she needed to breathe oxygen her oxygen concentrator extracted from the air. So you might say that her lungs depended on the generation of oxygen. In that sense of the word, generation is a process instead 20 or 25 years.

The attachments darken my screen when I open them, so I don't know what's in them.

BillMcEnaney said:

How do you know how many years separate the current generation from the previous one?

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The Bible tells us how old they were when they had their child. So the math is pretty easy to do.

Diamond7 said:

The Bible tells us how old they were when they had their child. So the math is pretty easy to do.

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Maybe, but that doesn't explain why the word "day" has more than one sense in Genesis 1-2, let alone why "In the beginning" signifies an indefinite period.

d taylor said:

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*When i use the word universe, it is as science uses it, where the sun, moon and stars and even planets (another fabricated idea from science). Are out in thousands, to millions, to billions of miles and light years away out in a place they call outer space. That is not a Biblical description of God's creation.

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When science talks about the sun, moon, planets, that is called the solar system, which resides in the milky way galaxy and the galaxy is in the universe.

Planets can be seen with a basic telescope. At certain times when Mars is close to Earth it can be seen with the naked eye.

BeyondET said:

When science talks about the sun, moon, planets, that is called the solar system, which resides in the milky way galaxy and the galaxy is in the universe.

Planets can be seen with a basic telescope. At certain times when Mars is close to Earth it can be seen with the naked eye.

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I understand sciences and what they are saying is creation. I simply do not believe what science (actually scientist) says.

So how does the star Jupiter, that i made this recording of
Turn into this

d taylor said:

I understand sciences and what they are saying is creation. I simply do not believe what science (actually scientist) says.

So how does the star Jupiter, that i made this recording of

Turn into this

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It's called close up shot.

What is your telescope? make and model?

The humorous part is the birds chirping, birds don't chirp at night.

So you made the video in the daytime looking through the blue haze of earth's atmosphere.

No deception is 100% correct there's always a flaw in the deception. You failed to delete the sound, the birds chirping was a dead giveaway the vid was shot in the day time thus the blue hue.

BeyondET said:

It's called close up shot.

What is your telescope? make and model?

The humorous part is the birds chirping, birds don't chirp at night.

So you made the video in the daytime looking through the blue haze of earth's atmosphere.

No deception is 100% correct there's always a flaw in the deception. You failed to delete the sound, the birds chirping was a dead giveaway the vid was shot in the day time thus the blue hue.

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Zooming in will not turn my recording into that fake jupiter image no matter how close i get..

I never said this was recorded this at night. The time stamp on my camera is 17:23, 8/12/2022.

I did not fail to delete the bird sounds because i have nothing to hide. This recording came straight off of my camera and is as i recorded it.

You just have a had time realizing that God's word is true and accurate about His creation. Where as science is stating lies about God's creation.

d taylor said:

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First off there is no mention of God creating a universe, in The Bible when it speaks of God's creation it is heaven and earth.

Who made heaven and earth,
The sea, and all that is in them;
Who keeps truth forever,​

The idea that God created a universe* is a science fabricated idea.

*When i use the word universe, it is as science uses it, where the sun, moon and stars and even planets (another fabricated idea from science). Are out in thousands, to millions, to billions of miles and light years away out in a place they call outer space. That is not a Biblical description of God's creation.

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That is a description of God’s creation. The first verse of the Bible, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That says it all, it was the beginning, it was heavens (plural) and earth.

Rodneyk said:

That is a description of God’s creation. The first verse of the Bible, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That says it all, it was the beginning, it was heavens (plural) and earth.

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The word is shamayim

shamayim: heaven, sky
Original Word: שָׁמַיִם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shamayim
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-mah'-yim)
Definition: heaven, sky

Even if shamayim should be plural in Genesis 1:1 there are three heavens.
1st one is the one God created over the earth that is separating waters (the ocean and water above the raqia) known in Genesis 1:6 as the raqia. Where God has placed the sun, moon and stars.

The 2nd heaven more than likely is above the waters above the raqia.

And the 3rd heaven is the abode of God.

d taylor said:

The word is shamayim

shamayim: heaven, sky
Original Word: שָׁמַיִם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shamayim
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-mah'-yim)
Definition: heaven, sky

Even if shamayim should be plural in Genesis 1:1 there are three heavens.
1st one is the one God created over the earth that is separating waters (the ocean and water above the raqia) known in Genesis 1:6 as the raqia. Where God has placed the sun, moon and stars.

The 2nd heaven more than likely is above the waters above the raqia.

And the 3rd heaven is the abode of God.

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Sorry but I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying that God didn’t creat all things. I think Bible, when it says that through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (Jn 1:3) it means everything, everything you can see and everything you can’t see. I’ve seen many other passages that says God is the creator of all things. I’m new here and you may have already gone over this but if you have time, let me know what your thoughts are on this

Rodneyk said:

Sorry but I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying that God didn’t creat all things. I think Bible, when it says that through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (Jn 1:3) it means everything, everything you can see and everything you can’t see. I’ve seen many other passages that says God is the creator of all things. I’m new here and you may have already gone over this but if you have time, let me know what your thoughts are on this

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Maybe you have never actually read closely the creation account given in The Bible. When i discuss God's creation i use only what The Bible states. I do not use any of sciences lies in a discussion about God's creation.

With that said everything i posted was from the Bible so not sure how you got that i was saying that God did not create all things. What God did not create was sciences version of creation.

Thank You, I just wasn’t understanding what you were saying. I have read the creation story in the Bible quite a few times (mainly to make sure I understand it). I know lots of scientists are atheists and have some odd ideas about God And creation. Some teach evolution as a science for instance, I find it funny. Evolution is as much a religion as Christianity in my mind because you neither can be proved or disproved, you need faith if you are going to believe it.

HTacianas said:

There is no credible scientific evidence for a young earth. It is completely out of the question. I personally believe that the universe is as old as the universe is and there's not much more to it. What we knew about the universe one thousand years ago has been replaced by what we know about the universe today and what we know about the universe today will be replaced by what we know about the universe one thousand years from now.

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I personally believe in what is known as gap theory or pre-Adamic creation. It explains apparent contradictions. For an in depth explanation you could read "The Mystery of Creation" by Watchman Nee.

The age of the universe, 13.7 billion years is not a large amount when the national debt is 31 Trillion
It only seems like yesterday.
It is just a few zeros after all.

Aussie Pete said:

I personally believe in what is known as gap theory or pre-Adamic creation. It explains apparent contradictions. For an in depth explanation you could read "The Mystery of Creation" by Watchman Nee.

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Believe man or believe God ... it is man who conflates/contradicts what God says .... work of the devil.

Aussie Pete said:

I personally believe in what is known as gap theory or pre-Adamic creation. It explains apparent contradictions. For an in depth explanation you could read "The Mystery of Creation" by Watchman Nee.

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there is no definitive measurement of a "gap" .... a "gap" can be whatever one wants it to be .... it's a variable term.

eleos1954 said:

there is no definitive measurement of a "gap" .... a "gap" can be whatever one wants it to be .... it's a variable term.

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Precisely. God has not seen fit to enlighten us.

The people in Genesis 4 are different from Genesis 5.

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Now look in Genesis 4 for how old Adam or any of his children are. Its not there because they ate of the tree of life; who knows how long they were around.

The ones in Genesis 5 were made later.

eleos1954 said:

Believe man or believe God ... it is man who conflates/contradicts what God says .... work of the devil.

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I believe God. I believe that the correct translation of "was" in Genesis 1:2 is "became". The same word was used of Lot's wife. She did not start out a pillar of salt.