Is the Earth Flat?

Don't be certain.

prodromos said:

So why do you misrepresent it so badly. You either have severe reading comprehension issues or you have an agenda. I'm leaning towards the latter, but based on your inability to understand Newtons laws of motion it could be the former.

Since there is no firmament boundary at the South Pole it is clear that your interpretation of the Scriptures is defective.

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The firmament exists (as stated in Genesis 1:7) to divide the waters above from the waters below. If it did not adjoin the earth at the Southern Circumference (not the fictitious South Pole), we would not be here.

Heliocentrism is a pagan philosophy foisted on Western Civilization by Pythagoras and later by Aristarchus during the Hellenistic period. It re-emerged in the sixteenth century under Copernicus. It is now losing its grip on society. I applaud the younger people that are better able to see things as they really are.

Edwin Wright said:

The firmament exists (as stated in Genesis 1:7) to divide the waters above from the waters below. If it did not adjoin the earth at the Southern Circumference (not the fictitious South Pole), we would not be here.

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Strange that no one has been able to observe what you claim to exist, while many have observed what you claim is fictitious. I put that down to a misunderstanding of Scripture, but I also suspect that @Michael Snow might be on to something.

I note that you still have not answered my questions. Why haven't you?

Edwin Wright said:

Heliocentrism is a pagan philosophy foisted on Western Civilization by Pythagoras and later by Aristarchus during the Hellenistic period

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Domestic water supplies and sewerage systems were developed by pagans too.

prodromos said:

Domestic water supplies and sewerage systems were developed by pagans too.

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Your argument does not hold water. I doubt that water and sewage systems had a major impact on religious belief. The same cannot be said of heliocentrism and its modern manifestations such as (atheistic and theistic) evolutionism and belief in the existence of other worlds and extraterrestrial life.

Edwin Wright said:

Heliocentrism is a pagan philosophy foisted on Western Civilization by Pythagoras and later by Aristarchus during the Hellenistic period. It re-emerged in the sixteenth century under Copernicus. It is now losing its grip on society.

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What loss of grip are you referring to? What is happening is that we are understanding that even the sun is not the center. Planets orbit around it but that is only a local phenomenon. The sun itself orbits around the center of the galaxy which is part of a much larger system.

In your model what is the circumference of the flat disk in miles?

There are now markers at the south pole which can be reached by different routes. In a flat model those routes could not converge.

Akita Suggagaki said:

In your model what is the circumference of the flat disk in miles?

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if the distance from center to edge is the same as the distance from fictitious pole to pole (12, 430 miles) then geometry gives us a circumference of 78,100 and area of 4.85 x 10 to the 8th. (485,000,000.) According to modern estimates, the surface area of the Earth is approximately 196,900,000 square miles.

coffee4u said:

I don't believe it is flat, but those who do certainly don't need deliverance. Leave them be.

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I have been accused of being a "Flat earther" as if it is an insult.

There are a lot of very intelligent people who hold to and will argue anyone on their belief of the FE. There are many of these that are solid God fearing Christians as well.

Not to mention that the FE movement has brought many to a belief in Christ.

I not totally sold on the FE model. Nor am I totally sold on the globe... There are lots of proven things that just don't make sense in our understanding of our world.

I do know that NASA is lying. So.. why.

Edwin Wright said:

Your argument does not hold water.

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Humour? There is hope for you yet.

Edwin Wright said:

I doubt that water and sewage systems had a major impact on religious belief.

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But you benefit from their ideas on a daily basis. You try to denigrate heliocentrism as "pagan" as if it is false by association, whereas pursuit of truth was actually a pagan idea. The Greek philosophers had already rejected the idea of the Greek gods and were becoming monotheistic.

Edwin Wright said:

The same cannot be said of heliocentrism and its modern manifestations such as (atheistic and theistic) evolutionism and belief in the existence of other worlds and extraterrestrial life.

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Helioecentrism has no impact on my belief as a Christian. Christian belief is more akin to Theocentrism except that God is not so much at the centre of our universe, as He is everywhere present, filling all things. The rest of your argument is a strawman. I neither believe in evolution nor the existence of extraterrestrial life. Charles Darwin misinterpreted his observations just as you misinterpret the Scriptures.

Why won't you answer any of my questions? You always skip over them and only respond to the inconsequential parts of my posts.

JacksBratt said:

I do know that NASA is lying.

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how do you know that?

JacksBratt said:

I have been accused of being a "Flat earther" as if it is an insult.

There are a lot of very intelligent people who hold to and will argue anyone on their belief of the FE. There are many of these that are solid God fearing Christians as well.

Not to mention that the FE movement has brought many to a belief in Christ.

I not totally sold on the FE model. Nor am I totally sold on the globe... There are lots of proven things that just don't make sense in our understanding of our world.

I do know that NASA is lying. So.. why.

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I think I am a rarity on here that I don't see the harm in belief in a flat earth. Most people seem to be very much for or anti. So long as a theory or doctrine doesn't take away from original sin, the divinity of Christ and salvation, I really don't see the harm.
Evolution - extreamly harmful to no death before sin, sets man up to be his own god.
JW's doctrine - takes away from the divinity of Christ
'Progressive' churches waiving pride flags -denying sin and its consequences.
Those are things that get me riled up.

Flat earth? I don't see the harm. If I am missing it someone please do share.
Although some flat earthers don't believe Australia exists, that I do take issue with. We are very real and not paid actors.

As to why? Money, power, to save face/pride. The same old reasons for most sin.
Is there a space program? I believe so yes. But did they achieve all they claim? Maybe, maybe not. When governments get to a certain point they may come up with a few lies to shine a better light on things.
Can you imagine getting close to the moon and realizing we can't land for some reason. What would a government do when the whole world is watching?
But is there a round earth and round moon we can fly to I am far more likely to say yes I think so. But if not that also doesn't bother me. I figure one day we will know all things and that's good enough for me.

Akita Suggagaki said:

how do you know that?

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Of course they are. I assume first and foremost that each and every one of them is rife with corruption.

coffee4u said:

Of course they are. I assume first and foremost that each and every one of them is rife with corruption.

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So you primarily just assume it.

Akita Suggagaki said:

So you primarily just assume it.

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I assume that all government agencies are rife with corruption yes. Money and power corrupts absolutely.

coffee4u said:

I assume that all government agencies are rife with corruption yes. Money and power corrupts absolutely.

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and leap from there to flat Earth?

prodromos said:

Humour? There is hope for you yet.


But you benefit from their ideas on a daily basis. You try to denigrate heliocentrism as "pagan" as if it is false by association, whereas pursuit of truth was actually a pagan idea. The Greek philosophers had already rejected the idea of the Greek gods and were becoming monotheistic.


Helioecentrism has no impact on my belief as a Christian. Christian belief is more akin to Theocentrism except that God is not so much at the centre of our universe, as He is everywhere present, filling all things. The rest of your argument is a strawman. I neither believe in evolution nor the existence of extraterrestrial life. Charles Darwin misinterpreted his observations just as you misinterpret the Scriptures.

Why won't you answer any of my questions? You always skip over them and only respond to the inconsequential parts of my posts.

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The fact remains that in terms of Christian civilization being upheld, we would not have had evolutionism without its foundations being paved by heliocentrism, and we would not have had communism without its foundations being paved by evolutionism. That is the sad reality of modern history.

Akita Suggagaki said:

There are now markers at the south pole which can be reached by different routes. In a flat model those routes could not converge.

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The problem with chartered tours is that the tourist is at the complete behest of the service provider and could therefore be almost anywhere in that kind of environment. Obviously, what is needed is an independent expedition that can provide independent verification. But that has not been possible because of the restrictions imposed by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty that came into force in 1961.

Akita Suggagaki said:

and leap from there to flat Earth?

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Never said that. Read up, I am not a flat earther. I am 98% sure the world is round, but I won't cry any tears if it is flat either.
But could and would NASA lie, for sure if it was to save face.

Edwin Wright said:

The fact remains that in terms of Christian civilization being upheld, we would not have had evolutionism without its foundations being paved by heliocentrism, and we would not have had communism without its foundations being paved by evolutionism. That is the sad reality of modern history.

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Nonsense.