Did Adam have Eternal Life Pre-Fall?

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
God is not "a" spirit. It says, God is spirit.

That's a bad bible translation you are using, GenemZ

Let me explain...

If the Bible, the version, does not make the Distinction that : "God is A Spirit", then that book is teaching that God's Spirit is no different then the Devil's, or a Dog's.

So, a REAL bible, will say, "God is A Spirit" as that is making the distinction between the HOLY Spirit of God and the UN-Holy Spirit in the Devil.

See that?
It very important to know that fact about GOD and about a "bible'.

"God is A Spirit" = The HOLY Spirit.

That is not the same as you find in Satan, or in a Dog, or Horse.

Make sure your "bible" gets that right, or get a real bible that gets it right.

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
Genesis 2:7 speaks not of a spirit. It says that Adam became a living 'soul.'

.............. nephesh - 'soul life'

God is A Spirit, who breathed LIFE into Adam. This is the Spirit of God.
We all have a Spirit, and Adam got it first., and His was "Holy".
Jesus who "Is that Spirit".....breathed on the 11 apostles........exactly the same as God did, in Gen 2.

GenemZ · Mar 27, 2023

Chaleb said:
God's body died and rose again.

I did not ask you that.....

GenemZ · Mar 27, 2023

Chaleb said:
That's a bad bible translation you are using, GenemZ

Let me explain...

If the Bible, the version, does not make the Distinction that : "God is A Spirit", then that book is teaching that God's Spirit is no different then the Devil's, or a Dog's.

There is solid. There is liquid. There is gas. Likewise.

The word "spirit' is describing a type of essence.

Turpentine is a liquid. Water is a liquid. Would you drink turpentine?

God is spirit. An angel is spirit.

Heat is energy.... light is energy .... electricity is energy.

Are you getting the feel for how the word "spirit" was being used?

grace and peace ....................

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
The word "spirit' is describing a type of essence.

....

Things that seen are temporal. that is all of it.....everything you see.

Things that are not seen, are Eternal.. that is the Spiritual realm.
Its the eternal.

Are you seeing this yet, GenemZ? If not, its because you are not using the right eyes.

GenemZ · Mar 27, 2023

Chaleb said:
God is A Spirit, who breathed LIFE into Adam. This is the Spirit of God.
We all have a Spirit, and Adam got it first., and His was "Holy".
Jesus who "Is that Spirit".....breathed on the 11 apostles........exactly the same as God did, in Gen 2.

For your information. It has perplexed several Hebrew students as to what Genesis 2:7 is saying.

For it says in the Hebrew? "Breath of lives." Plurality.

You can Google it - Genesis 2:7 plural lives - and see for yourself.

It takes insight to understand.

Without insight? Stick with breath of life, and move on.

Move on.... please.

GenemZ · Mar 27, 2023

Chaleb said:
Things that seen are temporal. that is all of it.....everything you see.

Things that are not seen, are Eternal.. that is the Spiritual realm.
Its the eternal.

Are you seeing this yet, GenemZ? If not, its because you are not using the right eyes.

My eyes are fine.

I see you went over my 'patience meter."
Grace has run out.

So, Ignore is in store.

Been doing this too long to not know when its become a waste of time. Time that the Lord tells us to redeem.

GenemZ · Mar 27, 2023

sawdust said:
Yes, that is how I understand it too.

God provides testing. Knowing when to dust off your sandals and walk away is passing certain tests.

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
For your information. It has perplexed several Hebrew students as to what Genesis 2:7 is saying.

For it says in the Hebrew? "Breath of lives." Plurality.

Im not perplexed.

And if Hebrew Students are perplexed by the Torah, then that is probably because they are unsaved Jews, and so, the bible is closed to them.
Its only opened for the Born again.

Here is a verse for you..>"God takes their breath, and they DIE".

Psalm 109:29

And..

"Jesus Breathed on them, and said...receive the Holy Spirit".

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
Been doing this too long to not know when its become a waste of time. Time that the Lord tells us to redeem.

that is exactly what i feel about your posts.
so, we can agree to agree on that, GenemZ

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
The Day of Pentecost is when that began its fulfillment.

Thats not accurate., but you were taught that....bad theology.

Now let me show you this...

In John 20:22...... Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the 11 Apostles.
This was '"before pentecost".... GenemZ

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

sawdust said:
Spirit which, is more than a simple anointing of power.

Really?

Well, thats exactly

sawdust said:
I understand the John passage as referring to Jesus giving the disciples the Holy Spirit in much the same way the OT prophets were given the Holy Spirit so that they would have power to sustain them until the day of Pentecost when they would be baptized in the Spirit which, is more than a simple anointing of power.

Jesus had already given the apostles power to "tread on", quite a while back when he sent them out. They could even drink poison and be just fine.

And it was at Pentecost that they were "clothed with power from on High"......so that is the anointing for service, as CLOTHES are on the outside, not the inside.... So there is that anointing.

John 20:22, is The Holy Spirit being given.....not an anointing BY the Holy Spirit.

BNR32FAN · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
Adam would have had everlasting life. Not eternal life.

For the tree of life granted one would live physically forever. Everlsating life = life having a beginning, but never ending.

In contrast to everlasting life? Eternal life if God's life. Life having no beginning! And, having no end.

Everlasting life is created life - having a beginning!

If Adam passed the test and was told for him to eat from the tree of life? Adam would have then lived physically forever.

In contrast to everlasting life? God had no beginning and has no end. Now that is eternal life. Timeless being. Un-created life.

God is everlasting to everlasting! He goes back in time forever.. and forward in time forever. Always has been being! And, always will be being! Everlasting life simply has a start and then goes on forever. It was not existing until created.

We need to know and understand these differences to please the Lord with our thinking. Its why we get presented such puzzles to figure out, and hopefully to get to see the picture they present us. The big picture unfolds when the pieces we have colleceted are put in their place.

grace and peace ......................

The word eternal doesn’t always mean without beginning or end and is typically defined in most dictionaries with the word everlasting.

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

BNR32FAN said:
The word eternal doesn’t always mean without beginning or end and is typically defined in most dictionaries with the word everlasting.

The NT understanding of Eternal is "eternal life".

Jesus said....>"all that are water baptized, and keep all of the commandments and do penance, i give unto you eternal life".

Ummmm , NO.....that is not what JESUS said, but that is what a lot of people on this forum would teach as their : "Salvation".
And notice what is missing?
There is no CROSS in THEIR Salvation.

Make sure it's in yours Reader, or you wont be going to heaven when you die, as water baptism and law and commandments wont get you there.

So, Jesus said...>"All that believe in me, I give unto you, eternal Life, and you shall never perish".

Notice "never perish"<<.......so, that is the Eternal Life that is to be BORN AGAIN "In Christ"

Eternal Life, is not temporary. Its Spiritual.

To have Eternal life, is to be spiritually Joined to the CHRIST who Himself IS Eternal life.
Jesus is Eternal Life. Jesus said..>"i am THE way, THE Truth, and THE LIFE"... .See that Life? That is not going to end if you have it.
= as When you are joined to Him, by being BORN AGAIN....then this happens. = "Christ in you, the hope of Glory"... (Glory is heaven).

Also.....Notice that the born again are "seated in heavenly places"......"IN CHRIST"....... see that?
The born again are already there. "'IN Christ"

and notice this verse..

"As Jesus IS......so are the born again......IN THIS WORLD"...

sawdust · Mar 27, 2023

Chaleb said:
Thats not accurate., but you were taught that....bad theology.

And who taught you?

sawdust · Mar 27, 2023

BNR32FAN said:
The word eternal doesn’t always mean without beginning or end and is typically defined in most dictionaries with the word everlasting.

The context when using the word eternal in the post you quoted was God's life. Are you suggesting God had a beginning?

GenemZ · Mar 27, 2023

BNR32FAN said:
The word eternal doesn’t always mean without beginning or end and is typically defined in most dictionaries with the word everlasting.

Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world,

from everlasting to everlasting you are God." Ps 90:2

When its translated to say?.... 'from everlasting to everlasting..." That means to go back in time (everlasting), and forward in time (everlasting). Hence, having no beginning, having no end.

Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called
on the name of the LORD, the Eternal God. Gen 21:33

Eternal is what God is. God had no beginning. He has no end! Everlasting to everlasting!

How some dictionaries may translate it? They can at times contain commonly accepted errors.

Why that happens?

The body of Christ is always LEARNING AND GROWING BEYOND what it was before.
Its just like a body matures and keeps changing with growth. Always something more to realize.

grace and peace ..................

sawdust · Mar 27, 2023

Chaleb said:
Really?

Well, thats exactly

Jesus had already given the apostles power to "tread on", quite a while back when he sent them out. They could even drink poison and be just fine.

And it was at Pentecost that they were "clothed with power from on High"......so that is the anointing for service, as CLOTHES are on the outside, not the inside.... So there is that anointing.

John 20:22, is The Holy Spirit being given.....not an anointing BY the Holy Spirit.

Being anointed by the Spirit is to be given the Holy Spirit for a particular service ie prophet, king. This is the "clothes on the outside", using your analogy. They were not simply given power, but the Spirit Himself.

Psalm 51:11
Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

To be baptized by the Spirit is to be given far more than an anointing for service. When you are baptized you are indwelt bodily (1 Corinthians 6:19 note: "in" you, not "on" you), you are given a gift, you are filled with the Spirit not to mention all the other things He does like justification, reconciliation, positional sanctification etc.

John 20:22 is Jesus giving the Disciples the Holy Spirit like the prophets of old were given the Holy Spirit. The baptism of the Spirit didn't happen until Pentecost that is when they became the Body of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

As far as your 'tread on" thing, I assume you mean the following and as noted there is no giving of the Holy Spirit, only authority.

Luke 10:19
Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

A lot of what we have discussed regarding the Holy Spirit and His ministry is elementary and you think yourself a teacher of the word? I find that very disturbing.

GenemZ · Mar 27, 2023

sawdust said:
A lot of what we have discussed regarding the Holy Spirit and His ministry is elementary and you think yourself a teacher of the word? I find that very disturbing.

Sometimes its trying to be something before we get there that can cause that kind of problem.

grace and peace .....................................

Chaleb · Mar 28, 2023

sawdust said:
And who taught you?

Pauline Theology
Pauline Doctrne

Paul said.>"Be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".

See, this verse is new to you.
It's not new to me. (See my Threads and Posts.)

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