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You have a valid point. I felt consequences from pulling 12 hour shifts in my 40s. My workforce criticism was towards the younger generation who feel entitled to a paycheck for standing around on their phones. Our ethical workers are rapidly dwindling and we can see the consequences in higher turnover rates and lower productivity. If younger workers even approached fulfilling their job duties, never mind going above or beyond, I would not have made the comment.
You act as if there have NEVER been bad employees before. People have complained about workers forever; there's nothing special about now in that respect


Conservatives need to listen to people instead of assuming their understanding of someone else's situation is factual.

There are a lot of examples of this
That'd ludicrous....
 

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The main thing I see today's workforce feeling intitled to is Promises Kept.

Unfortunately, the implicit and explicit promises of the American economic and political systems to its workforce have not been kept.

Generation Z has seen it proven to the Millennial Generation that there is zero reason to trust politicians and corporations will still have that cheese waiting for them at the end of the rat race.

The Boomer generation is having a hard time realizing the Millennial Generation followed them out on a ledge that Generation Z can see is crumbling.
 
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IMO high turnover is always a reflection of poor management. I have seen far too many managers promoted to the position because they were great at their job rather than because of great leadership skills. They were miserable to work for. I am still at my current job solely because my manager is amazing. Otherwise I would be long gone already.
The Peter Principle is part of it, but it’s also kind of amazing just how out of touch so many business leaders are with their workers. I recently left a job where I’d been for several years; the company was smallish (a couple hundred), but had a couple layers of parent corporations that were each substantially larger. I’m not sure of the total headcount, but it was easily in the tens of thousands. My company and the parents had all been in business for at least 20 years, yet there was nothing in place, at any level, for career development or advancement. The most we had was a corporate subscription to Linkedin Learning. Job titles and descriptions were ad hoc and not formalized or standardized. Requests for promotions and raises were met with a shrug (whether the response was yes or no). Subsidiaries (like mine) all did similar work, yet there was virtually no sharing of information outside of formal co-dev relationships. It was as if everybody in charge of running the companies were clueless about what it took to make our products (IMO, most of them truly were clueless). And I actually thought the CEO was a pretty decent, reasonable, thoughtful guy - ya know, for someone who flies private. Most of my local management were good people, too. It’s worse when the bosses are jerks.
 
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I wonder how long it’ll take for right-wing propaganda to start pointing the finger at management that’s ineffective, incompetent, and/or greedy.

I know WAY more people who are passionate about their work and burnt by bad managers (myself included multiple times over) than I know people looking to collect a paycheck and slack off.


High turnover isn’t an indicator of poor worker ethics. There is no ethic demanding worker loyalty. High turnover is an indicator of poor management.
Poor management is certainly a consequence of our increasingly unreliable workforce. Some of these managers are poor choices for their jobs, yet businesses often have no better options. It's not just Burger King either. I see an absence of accountability across the board. An absence of discipline. Absence of oversight. Punishment. Maybe I've noticed this more than others because I have worked ten different jobs in the last ten years.

Before, I ran a printing press for over 20 years for the same company. Whereas I wasn't actually exposed to our workforce in America, just the same coworkers for years. I couldn't possibly understand the ramifications and problems with new generations of workers entering the workforce. Other than the normal turnover seen in a factory environment.

My boss finally got rid of the unreliable office worker whom he had fired several times previously. She just kept coming in to work for years and he let her. Because it is too difficult for him to find one quality employee who can work with Word and Excel. And this area is not bereft of applicants for jobs. Even when managers hire new employees, a high percentage of those hired do not even show up to work. This occurs with alarming frequency. My eyes have been opened since I left the printing company. I won't bother with other anecdotal evidence I've seen, it's not needed. These are merely observations and opinions on what I've seen since leaving the printing factory.
 
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The Peter Principle is part of it, but it’s also kind of amazing just how out of touch so many business leaders are with their workers. I recently left a job where I’d been for several years; the company was smallish (a couple hundred), but had a couple layers of parent corporations that were each substantially larger. I’m not sure of the total headcount, but it was easily in the tens of thousands. My company and the parents had all been in business for at least 20 years, yet there was nothing in place, at any level, for career development or advancement. The most we had was a corporate subscription to Linkedin Learning. Job titles and descriptions were ad hoc and not formalized or standardized. Requests for promotions and raises were met with a shrug (whether the response was yes or no). Subsidiaries (like mine) all did similar work, yet there was virtually no sharing of information outside of formal co-dev relationships. It was as if everybody in charge of running the companies were clueless about what it took to make our products (IMO, most of them truly were clueless). And I actually thought the CEO was a pretty decent, reasonable, thoughtful guy - ya know, for someone who flies private. Most of my local management were good people, too. It’s worse when the bosses are jerks.

I retired from the military, which has a "corporate policy" of "worker advancement," retention, and sacrifice now for a big piece of cheese at the end.

I went into a Fortune 50 civilian corporation which had pretty much the same corporate policy. It was literally possible for a new hires to begin in the actual mailroom and work their way up to the executive levels. They showed you that career map in the first week of onboarding. The saying was that "You have to get caught stealing to get fired from this company" -- they protected their employees that much. If the area you were in was being downsized, they made sure to move you somewhere else in the company. Their employees were fiercely loyal, and as gung-ho as US Marines. People in the company praised their company history, repeating stories from decades before they were even employees. At headquarters, nearly everyone had a good testimony about the time they bumped into the CEO in the cafeteria or the hall or the parking garage (even me...he was behind me one time at the cafeteria cashier and paid for my lunch). That was twenty years ago.

After the Great Recession followed by the H1N1 virus, the company went scared. It was chilling to watch a company go scared like that. Today, they're just like any other: No loyalty to employees, no promises made and certainly no promises kept. And it shows in the attitudes of the new employees.
 
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Dangerous work doesn't need to be prohibited for children, all work needs to be forbidden for children.It's fine that they may not be employed in manufacturing or construction work. But that leaves the door open for office work, agricultural work, and what not.

Children need to be in the class room, saying the tables of multiplication, reading Dostoyevsky and learning the difference between meiosis and mitosis.
 
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The main thing I see today's workforce feeling intitled to is Promises Kept.

Unfortunately, the implicit and explicit promises of the American economic and political systems to its workforce have not been kept.

Generation Z has seen it proven to the Millennial Generation that there is zero reason to trust politicians and corporations will still have that cheese waiting for them at the end of the rat race.

The Boomer generation is having a hard time realizing the Millennial Generation followed them out on a ledge that Generation Z can see is crumbling.
And the top 4 billionaires have more wealth than entire generations
 
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You act as if there have NEVER been bad employees before. People have complained about workers forever; there's nothing special about now in that respect


Conservatives need to listen to people instead of assuming their understanding of someone else's situation is factual.

There are a lot of examples of this
That'd ludicrous....
The best example:

 
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WalletHub released a study Monday showing Arkansas ranks 47th as an educated state against the 50 states and the District of Columbia. The near-bottom ranking put it above only Louisiana, Mississippi and West Virginia.​
Maybe Arkansas should concentrate on other things when it comes to their states children.
 
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Why are republican states doing ANYTHING to actively make child labour easier?

Child labor protections are the latest Republican target


I've been informed that most republicans don't like child labour. Was I misinformed?
Why are republican states doing ANYTHING to actively make child labour easier?

Child labor protections are the latest Republican target


I've been informed that most republicans don't like child labour. Was I misinformed?
Probably so the kids can be paid slave wages so that big business can maintain their profits.
 
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I think America is ranked number 4 with workforce production given all nations.
Because it treats it’s work force really badly. I’ve never worked more that 37.5 hours a week and I get seven weeks leave a years.

American workers are treated like trash.
 
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What? You expect a paper clip counter to make 100 K a year?
If counting paper clips needs to be done for a business to operate it should pay a living wage. The standard should be that the most menial job done full time should allow someone to live on.
 
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A person in a menial job should not make the same as a skilled, trained worker. Makes no sense.
Correct. Those roles should pay more than the minimum wage. If a business cannot afford to pay the least of it’s workers minimum wage it is not a viable business and people should look elsewhere for a better job.
 
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Because it treats it’s work force really badly. I’ve never worked more that 37.5 hours a week and I get seven weeks leave a years.

American workers are treated like trash.
No argument here. I go to other countries on vacation and run to people from other countries who are on holiday, and they have an entire month...plus.
 
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No argument here. I go to other countries on vacation and run to people from other countries who are on holiday, and they have an entire month...plus.
When I retired from the military and went into the US civilian workforce, the biggest adjustment I had to make was not getting an entire month off for leave, accruing at 2.5 days a month from the very first month.
 
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Probably so the kids can be paid slave wages so that big business can maintain their profits.
I still think it's hilarious people are trying to blame Biden. You'd think if he was the problem, Republicans in these state legislatures would be HUGE Biden supporters.
 
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When I retired from the military and went into the US civilian workforce, the biggest adjustment I had to make was not getting an entire month off for leave, accruing at 2.5 days a month from the very first month.
I retired from the state 6 years ago. Similarly I missed the long vacation days I would accrue each year. I literally had more vacation time than I could use. I would take off every Friday. They allowed us to roll over our vacation and sick leave into the next year. When I finally retired, I sold my leave days back to the state and got almost 10K for it. They also allowed us to donate our sick leave into a "sick leave pool" that could be drawn on by people with catastrophic health issues.
I would very much like to see a revolution in American worker hours. We should be able to live on 32 hours a week, and be able to retire at 55. I know that if we really wanted to, we could make that work.
 
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I retired from the state 6 years ago. Similarly I missed the long vacation days I would accrue each year. I literally had more vacation time than I could use. I would take off every Friday. They allowed us to roll over our vacation and sick leave into the next year. When I finally retired, I sold my leave days back to the state and got almost 10K for it. They also allowed us to donate our sick leave into a "sick leave pool" that could be drawn on by people with catastrophic health issues.
I would very much like to see a revolution in American worker hours. We should be able to live on 32 hours a week, and be able to retire at 55. I know that if we really wanted to, we could make that work.
Don't you see that if you do that I couldn't become a millionaire. And that is all I am right now; and inconvenienced millionaire.
 
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Because it treats it’s work force really badly. I’ve never worked more that 37.5 hours a week and I get seven weeks leave a years.

American workers are treated like trash.
Now that's just silly. Most American's don't need seven weeks vacation per year.

We don't get paid well enough to afford that many trips...
 
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