Did Adam have Eternal Life Pre-Fall?

GenemZ · Mar 24, 2023

sawdust said:
Then why do you keep saying "Jesus was created by the Holy Spirit inside a Virgin's womb as a HUMAN"?

Do you think His humanity didn't exist prior to the Incarnation?

The Soul of the Lord God of Israel was always being in union with God. The Incarnation added a human body into the equation.

Its the Soul of God that provides God the perfect means to connect with humans who are souls.

OT scriptures revealed this union of humanity and Deity, but is usually missed by casual reading, or study.

And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah,
so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel." Judges 10:16

Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone
loving violence his soul certainly hates." Psalm 11:5

'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover,
I will make My dwelling among you, and My soul will not reject you.' I will also
walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12

God is one nature. "Spirit." (John 4:23-24)

Soul is not 'spirit.'

The Lord God of Israel was being Deity and Soul. Two natures in union!

It was the Soul of Jehovah that entered the body provided by Mary and the Holy Spirit. God's Soul is what allowed the Lord to truly make himself into becoming as a man.

He was functioning fully as man as long as He agreed not to use his rightful powers of Deity which he agreed to do to please the Father!

grace and peace.........

Chaleb · Mar 25, 2023

GenemZ said:
It takes a *soul* to make him a man.

John 1:10 says that Jesus make the world.

Colossians 1:16 says that Jesus as the WORD is the power of Creation.

That's a mystery......and maybe i'll post a Thread about it., GenemZ

Chaleb · Mar 25, 2023

sawdust said:
Then why do you keep saying "Jesus was created by the Holy Spirit inside a Virgin's womb as a HUMAN"?

Its because Jesus is God as a human.
Whereas when He was pre-incarnate, He didn't have a name., as Christ the WORD ... John 1:1 was not yet the GOD Man.

GenemZ · Mar 25, 2023

Chaleb said:
John 1:10 says that Jesus make the world.

Colossians 1:16 says that Jesus as the WORD is the power of Creation.

That's a mystery......and maybe i'll post a Thread about it., GenemZ

You do realize that all things created were created through and for Him? Right?

For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,

visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities;

all things have been created through him and for him." Colossians 1:16

Why THROUGH and FOR him?

Is He not God? Is not the Father God? Is not the Holy Spirit God?

What makes Him different from God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, that all things created were created through and for Him?
Why not through the Father? The Holy Spirit?

For all things created?
A soul must be able to relate to!

And, He has, and is that Soul!
He is a union of Soul and Deity.
He is TWO natures in union.

That soul was present before all creation!
His unique soul is eternal, not created!

All things created we can relate to.
Why can we relate to all things created?

For, we? Are what? "Souls."
We were created in His image!

Mysteries are meant to be solved.

But, solved only in God's timing.

grace and peace ....................

Chaleb · Mar 25, 2023

GenemZ said:
What makes Him different from God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, that all things created were created through and for Him?
Why not through the Father? The Holy Spirit?

God "spoke" creation into existence.
The "Word" is what is spoken.
Jesus is the pre-incarnate "Word", who was "manifested in the Flesh".
This is why Jesus told us..>"I AM ....from above, and you are from below".

See the "I AM"?

That is God's Title......as found in the Burning Bush when Moses asked.."what is your Name"....

sawdust · Mar 25, 2023

Chaleb said:
Its because Jesus is God as a human.
Whereas when He was pre-incarnate, He didn't have a name., as Christ the WORD ... John 1:1 was not yet the GOD Man.

He was always who He is. Having a body didn't make Him to be someone or something else.

GenemZ · Mar 25, 2023

Chaleb said:
God "spoke" creation into existence.
The "Word" is what is spoken.
Jesus is the pre-incarnate "Word", who was "manifested in the Flesh".
This is why Jesus told us..>"I AM ....from above, and you are from below".

See the "I AM"?

That is God's Title......as found in the Burning Bush when Moses asked.."what is your Name"....

You keep stating truths that are Biblical.

But, they are not relating to what is being said.

That has been the problem I have been having with dialoging with you.

First understand what is said, please.
If you do not understand?
Ask questions. Not simply throw out some Biblical truth that does not correlate.

Learn to ask questions when you do not understand, please. There is nothing shameful in doing that.

GenemZ · Mar 25, 2023

Chaleb said:
Its because Jesus is God as a human.
Whereas when He was pre-incarnate, He didn't have a name., as Christ the WORD ... John 1:1 was not yet the GOD Man.

The Son of God was being God and Soul in union. Having a soul

Chaleb · Mar 26, 2023

sawdust said:
He was always who He is. Having a body didn't make Him to be someone or something else.

God does not have body, as "God is A Spirit"... but the Son does, who is the Word, who is God manifested in the Flesh, as Jesus.

Chaleb · Mar 26, 2023

GenemZ said:
That has been the problem I have been having with dialoging with you.

Jesus is the God man.
You've been taught that the body of Jesus is not literally "God".

Yes, i understand you.

Chaleb · Mar 26, 2023

GenemZ said:
The Son of God was being God and Soul in union. Having a soul

"God is A Spirit".

"Christ is that Spirit".

John 20:22...... and Genesis 2:7

= Read carefully and notice that God is doing the same thing, in both verses......one is OT and one is NT.

sawdust · Mar 26, 2023

Chaleb said:
God does not have body, as "God is A Spirit"... but the Son does, who is the Word, who is God manifested in the Flesh, as Jesus.

So does this mean you think the Son didn't exist until He had a body of flesh?

GenemZ · Mar 26, 2023

Chaleb said:
Jesus is the God man.
You've been taught that the body of Jesus is not literally "God".

Yes, i understand you.

Can God die?

GenemZ · Mar 26, 2023

Chaleb said:
"God is A Spirit".

"Christ is that Spirit".

John 20:22...... and Genesis 2:7

= Read carefully and notice that God is doing the same thing, in both verses......one is OT and one is NT.

God is not "a" spirit. It says, God is spirit.

"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. " (John 4:24)

Even the smallest word in a sentence can change the whole meaning around.

The other verses you used do not correlate. If they do? You failed to show how they do.

God is a spirit

He is spirit in essence without end. Omnipresent.

In Christ..................

GenemZ · Mar 26, 2023

Chaleb said:
"God is A Spirit".

"Christ is that Spirit".

John 20:22...... and Genesis 2:7

= Read carefully and notice that God is doing the same thing, in both verses......one is OT and one is NT.

Genesis 2:7 speaks not of a spirit. It says that Adam became a living 'soul.'

.............. nephesh - 'soul life'

sawdust · Mar 26, 2023

GenemZ said:
Genesis 2:7 speaks not of a spirit. It says that Adam became a living 'soul.'

.............. nephesh - 'soul life'

Not sure why the poster would confuse Gen2:7 with John 2:22. I understand the John passage as referring to Jesus giving the disciples the Holy Spirit in much the same way the OT prophets were given the Holy Spirit so that they would have power to sustain them until the day of Pentecost when they would be baptized in the Spirit which, is more than a simple anointing of power.

How do you read John 20:22?

John 20:22
And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

GenemZ · Mar 26, 2023

sawdust said:
Not sure why the poster would confuse Gen2:7 with John 2:22. I understand the John passage as referring to Jesus giving the disciples the Holy Spirit in much the same way the OT prophets were given the Holy Spirit so that they would have power to sustain them until the day of Pentecost when they would be baptized in the Spirit which, is more than a simple anointing of power.

How do you read John 20:22?

John 20:22
And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

I think the person who made the comment is young in the Lord. Things can be very confusing at the stage.

John 20:22 was an old testament type enabling like was seen in the OT, like with the skilled craftsmen ordained to build the tabernacle in the wilderness.

Exodus 31:1-6

Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have chosen Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills— 4 to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver and bronze, 5 to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts. 6 Moreover, I have appointed Oholiab son of Ahisamak, of the tribe of Dan, to help him. Also I have given ability to all the skilled workers to make everything I have commanded you:

revybub · Mar 27, 2023

I would believe so. Death did not enter creation until the fall of man to sin.

sawdust · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
John 20:22 was an old testament type enabling like was seen in the OT, like with the skilled craftsmen ordained to build the tabernacle in the wilderness.

Yes, that is how I understand it too.

Chaleb · Mar 27, 2023

GenemZ said:
Can God die?

God's body died and rose again.

Did Adam have Eternal Life Pre-Fall?

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