Could the Republican Party appeal to a centre right atheist?

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Neither party appeals to a majority of the people. Actually Independents are the largest group, probably due to the issues the OP was wrestling with. Most of us don't feel like either party really represents us.

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The word you're looking for is American. I don't know why some non-Americans feel the need to use such tortured, contrived and incorrect phrasing.
As I understand it the Americas is a couple of continents consisting of many countries. The United States of America is USA and not America.
 
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As I understand it the Americas is a couple of continents consisting of many countries. The United States of America is USA and not America.
Our pronoun is “American”.
Is that arrogant of us to claim the entire continent as “ours”?
What could be more American than that?
 
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Wow, that's pretty extreme far right stuff there.
Basically, a person that can't afford health care, they want them to take to the streets and literally beg for their lives.

Believe it or not, you’re understating things a bit.

Seems like a system where the wealthy will thrive, and won't have to worry about putting back into society.
The poor will be strong armed by the wealthy. Homeless, uneducated and no hope for any kind of medical treatment. Basically forced into crime and an early grave. What a system!

yep
But then again, I thought all this stuff is also what the Republican party want too.
Many Republicans like to cherry pick bits of libertarianism and apply it self-servingly when it suits them.
 
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Our pronoun is “American”.
Is that arrogant of us to claim the entire continent as “ours”?
What could be more American than that?
The World Series is USA baseball isn't it?
Anyone outside of USA you guys consider to be aliens???? :eek:
The longest running sporting cup is call The America's cup, even though it was started by the British.
USA folk consider USA's origins and culture to be White Christian, even though the American Indians were there first.
USA start wars with countries trying to develop WMD even though USA has the biggest arsenal of WMD than any other country.

Anyway, don't get me started. USA also has many great features, they just also happen to have an overwhelming amount of patriotism and openly promote themselves as the greatest country in the world(LOL). Many even think USA is god's chosen country and that their president is appointed by god???
 
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The World Series is USA baseball isn't it?
Anyone outside of USA you guys consider to be aliens???? :eek:
The longest running sporting cup is call The America's cup, even though it was started by the British.
USA folk consider USA's origins and culture to be White Christian, even though the American Indians were there first.
USA start wars with countries trying to develop WMD even though USA has the biggest arsenal of WMD than any other country.

Anyway, don't get me started. USA also has many great features, they just also happen to have an overwhelming amount of patriotism and openly promote themselves as the greatest country in the world(LOL). Many even think USA is god's chosen country and that their president is appointed by god???
Baby Boomers were born into a version of the US that was arguably the greatest, strongest, wealthiest at its time. ( compared to war-weary and scarred Europe) Boomers tend to still dwell in this mindset, however, when that generation is gone we may see more humility coming from our citizens.
 
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Neither party appeals to a majority of the people. Actually Independents are the largest group, probably due to the issues the OP was wrestling with. Most of us don't feel like either party really represents us.

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If only we could get out of this two party system we could see real change.
 
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Firstly, I'm not a USA citizen. But I am centre right with regards to fiscal policy. I believe in Capitalism, I believe in minimising government. I believe people should be afforded as much freedoms as possible.

But I am centre right rather than far right, because I don't accept anarcho-capitalism, I don't think companies left to their own devices particularly care about employees or the environment and so I think Government does need to intervene somewhat to help out those people that are at the mercy of the big wealthy companies.
I consider healthcare to be a human right, and think society/government should provide.

But, from what I can see (as an outsider to USA), the Republican party seem to be more focused on cultural nonsense rather than a positive economic policy.
They seem to be stuck in an ultra conservative, White Christian mindset. They seem to be mostly focused on fear of change, and fear of a non White Christian society.

I have none of these fears. I'm not worried about cultural changes, I'm not afraid to go outside my house, I'm not afraid of my neighbors sinning. I'm not afraid of people kissing on tv or in the streets, I'm not afraid of kids being taught about various sexual orientations or about transgenerism. I'm not afraid of brown immigrants or of efforts to improve the lot of impoverished minorities.

But if I were a USA person, I'd be keen to have a political party that represents a centre right position, but not a Christian White one.
My question is, does the Republican party appeal to people that are fiscally centre right? and if so, how?
I am not sure the current state of GOP politics which you aptly described appeals to a fiscal center right, but they see it as a useful tool to achieve their goals We see it in the silence from those within that group. We see it even in those media outlets that find them veiwership and those monetarily useful, and willingly carry their water.
 
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If only we could get out of this two party system we could see real change.
If only we could get all the money out of politics and reduce corporations to having the same access the average person has (since they are people too ) we could see real change.
 
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Baby Boomers were born into a version of the US that was arguably the greatest, strongest, wealthiest at its time. ( compared to war-weary and scarred Europe) Boomers tend to still dwell in this mindset, however, when that generation is gone we may see more humility coming from our citizens.
The Greatest Generation came of age while the Great Depression raged.
After clawing their way through that, they found themselves having an existential crisis by having to fight a two-front war and winning (helping the Soviet Union defeat Fascism and developing a brandee-new class of weaponry to cowl the Japanese into submission).
Then, having done that they came home and built the National Highway System.
Right before they retired, they took the computing power of a watch to the moon and back.

But they were lousy at raising children.

Boomers cut taxes.
 
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The Greatest Generation came of age while the Great Depression raged.
After clawing their way through that, they found themselves having an existential crisis by having to fight a two-front war and winning (helping the Soviet Union defeat Fascism and developing a brandee-new class of weaponry to cowl the Japanese into submission).
Then, having done that they came home and built the National Highway System.
Right before they retired, they took the computing power of a watch to the moon and back.

But they were lousy at raising children.

Boomers cut taxes.
I was raised by Boomers who did alright with it but my generation (gen x) was left woefully unprepared for the US decline in middle class prosperity and left disillusioned. We will be the next generation to lead, for better or worse.
 
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There are legitimate questions as to increasingly wonder what is real vs what is contrived. Out of nowhere a new subgroup appears, common understanding is fragmented & all skepticism, confusion etc. is usually assumed to be “hatred.”

For ex.

 
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Irrelevant to the correct demonym for citizens of the United States of America or the use of the use of American as an adjective.
Originally, ‘American’ was used to refer to any natives from the Americas. In the 1500s, this included both South America and North America.

Over time, more British migrated to the New World. As a result, ‘American’ became increasingly synonymous with ‘British American’. The term “American” was a way to differentiate between the British who had remained in the Old World and those who had moved to the Americas.



It seems to have quite a history.
But the whities have tried to steal the term, in their arrogance. It seems people from North America and South America are Americans.

As far as I know Germany and Mexico aren't continents containing multiple countries all with a claim to the name.
 
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As far as I understand it
Africans are from the African continent regardless of what country
Asians are from the Asian continent regardless of what country
Europeans are from the European continent regardless of what country
Americans are from the American continent regardless of what country

USA folks trying to make out that their country is America and that only their citizens are American is very arrogant and is a slap in the face of all the people from all the other countries in the American continent.

As an outsider, I am well within my rights to consider people from USA to be USA citizens and all peoples from the American continent to be Americans.

BTW Recognising the American continent does not mean that I hate USA
 
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Firstly, I'm not a USA citizen. But I am centre right with regards to fiscal policy. I believe in Capitalism, I believe in minimising government. I believe people should be afforded as much freedoms as possible.

But I am centre right rather than far right, because I don't accept anarcho-capitalism, I don't think companies left to their own devices particularly care about employees or the environment and so I think Government does need to intervene somewhat to help out those people that are at the mercy of the big wealthy companies.
I consider healthcare to be a human right, and think society/government should provide.

But, from what I can see (as an outsider to USA), the Republican party seem to be more focused on cultural nonsense rather than a positive economic policy.
They seem to be stuck in an ultra conservative, White Christian mindset. They seem to be mostly focused on fear of change, and fear of a non White Christian society.

I have none of these fears. I'm not worried about cultural changes, I'm not afraid to go outside my house, I'm not afraid of my neighbors sinning. I'm not afraid of people kissing on tv or in the streets, I'm not afraid of kids being taught about various sexual orientations or about transgenerism. I'm not afraid of brown immigrants or of efforts to improve the lot of impoverished minorities.

But if I were a USA person, I'd be keen to have a political party that represents a centre right position, but not a Christian White one.
My question is, does the Republican party appeal to people that are fiscally centre right? and if so, how?

At one time, there was a place for that in the Republican party, for responsible conservative government, but IMO that time is past. There are still a few like David Brooks that hang on to a kind of Burkean conservativism of the center-right, but mostly Republicans are highly ideological now days.
 
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As far as I understand it
Africans are from the African continent regardless of what country
Asians are from the Asian continent regardless of what country
Europeans are from the European continent regardless of what country
Americans are from the American continent regardless of what country

USA folks trying to make out that their country is America and that only their citizens are American is very arrogant and is a slap in the face of all the people from all the other countries in the American continent.

As an outsider, I am well within my rights to consider people from USA to be USA citizens and all peoples from the American continent to be Americans.

BTW Recognising the American continent does not mean that I hate USA
I understand your point; but at least in North America, calling a Canadian an American could get you into a serious discussion. :handfist:
 
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Firstly, I'm not a USA citizen. But I am centre right with regards to fiscal policy. I believe in Capitalism, I believe in minimising government. I believe people should be afforded as much freedoms as possible.

But I am centre right rather than far right, because I don't accept anarcho-capitalism, I don't think companies left to their own devices particularly care about employees or the environment and so I think Government does need to intervene somewhat to help out those people that are at the mercy of the big wealthy companies.
I consider healthcare to be a human right, and think society/government should provide.

But, from what I can see (as an outsider to USA), the Republican party seem to be more focused on cultural nonsense rather than a positive economic policy.
They seem to be stuck in an ultra conservative, White Christian mindset. They seem to be mostly focused on fear of change, and fear of a non White Christian society.

I have none of these fears. I'm not worried about cultural changes, I'm not afraid to go outside my house, I'm not afraid of my neighbors sinning. I'm not afraid of people kissing on tv or in the streets, I'm not afraid of kids being taught about various sexual orientations or about transgenerism. I'm not afraid of brown immigrants or of efforts to improve the lot of impoverished minorities.

But if I were a USA person, I'd be keen to have a political party that represents a centre right position, but not a Christian White one.
My question is, does the Republican party appeal to people that are fiscally centre right? and if so, how?
I tried to reason my way through this a few decades ago and realized that like communism, capitalism is a morality neutral concept. It is neither moral nor immoral, good nor bad. The individuals involved are what bring their morality into the way the system is practiced. That is why pulling capitalism out of a Christian framework of morality results in an inhumane system that emphasizes accumulation of wealth over human rights. Trying to instill human rights into this system with Government mandates is like trying to improve a runners speed by putting chains on their legs.
 
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As far as I understand it
Africans are from the African continent regardless of what country
Asians are from the Asian continent regardless of what country
Europeans are from the European continent regardless of what country
Americans are from the American continent regardless of what country

USA folks trying to make out that their country is America and that only their citizens are American is very arrogant and is a slap in the face of all the people from all the other countries in the American continent.

As an outsider, I am well within my rights to consider people from USA to be USA citizens and all peoples from the American continent to be Americans.

BTW Recognising the American continent does not mean that I hate USA
It’s how the word is used and understood, no amount of disingenuous pearl clutching will change that.
 
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