House passes parents bill of rights.

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Did the article mention that 5 Reps voted against it and 4 more didn't vote?
Maybe not... but republicans who did not support it were on the outside. The dems were solid in their opposition to the rights of parents and families.
 
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It's shocking to see yet another emotional appeal to ridicule rather than a substantive point from conservatives.

Poor Christians. So persecuted in America. Not even allowed to impose their worldview on others anymore.

Oh wait...

Actually, what is frightening is the number of people who think that liberal Dems in this country are socialists. That sort of ignorance and/or misinformation is dishearteningly widespread among conservatives.

It's shocking to see another emotional appeal to histrionic verbiage rather than a substantive point from conservatives.
So all you got are personal attacks and insults.
I can live with that.
 
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Maybe not... but republicans who did not support it were on the outside. The dems were solid in their opposition to the rights of parents and families.
Your framing is polemical. Seems to me like the Dems and the Reps who voted against it saw the bill for what it was - vapid, culture war nonsense that's not going anywhere in the Senate.
So all you got are personal attacks and insults.
I can live with that.
Nice gaslighting.
 
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Amazing what people talk themselves into. Somehow protecting families from government interference is oppression.
This bill of rights is protecting the family.

Whose family?

This "family" rhetoric is all too often dog whistles among conservatives for defending reactionary and exclusionary attitudes from necessary scrutiny.

Seems everyone has rights and protection except kids, parents, families, and, of course, Christians.

This is simply dishonest. I don't see any mass movement to take away the rights of Christians to practice their religion.

Liberal democrat (socialist)

Liberals aren't socialists. Liberals value freedom from arbitrary power. The opposite of what these types of laws aim to do.

logic is truly frightening. What are they going to come up with next? I know, unborn children are parasites. Oh wait!

Let's not lump disparate issues together and pin them all on our perceived ideological adversaries...


Last time I checked, dishonesty and contempt were not Christian virtues.
 
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So you are saying you can't see the bigger picture?
Again, you keep seeming to make random stabs at what I’m saying instead of just reading what I wrote.

When will you stop that?
 
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They giggle about how clever they are as they groom kids for trans and gay lifestyles.
This is simply another dream. Simply untrue. You’re use of ‘lifestyle’ blatantly makes it clear that you think ‘they’ are trying to ‘turn’ kids gay.

Smh
 
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I don't see any mass movement to take away the rights of Christians to practice their religion.
My understanding of the founding of white America was based on not being able to practice religious discrimination in their home countries.

Will they move to the Moon, this time?
 
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My understanding of the founding of white America was based on not being able to practice religious discrimination in their home countries.

Not exactly. The Puritans that came to the US were religious dissenters that were tired of the King telling them who their clergy should be, and they protested simony and the buying of ecclesiastic offices.
 
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Not exactly. The Puritans that came to the US were religious dissenters that were tired of the King telling them who their clergy should be, and they protested simony and the buying of ecclesiastic offices.
I'm descended from hundreds of Puritans and Massachusetts Bay Colony was a theocratic nightmare that put Calvin's Geneva to shame. Anabaptists and Quakers had their tongues burned out, their ears cut off, they were branded and quite a number were hanged. They came here not only to ensure that their way of practicing Christianity was allowed, but that it was the only way of practicing Christianity allowed.
 
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"Under the measure, schools would be required to offer at least two in-person parent-teacher meetings annually, and school boards would be required to hear feedback from parents about students' education."​
As parent of two, this is already a thing. You can make an appointment and meet the teacher as you wish. That's where "feedback" takes place.
 
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You can make an appointment and meet the teacher as you wish. That's where "feedback" takes place.
But that is not direct contact with the schoolboard , upon which sits many using it as a stepping stone to civic politics or beyond, and have already cherished the false idea that their authourity not be questioned that their higher ups already falsely believe..
 
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But that is not direct contact with the schoolboard , upon which sits many using it as a stepping stone to civic politics or beyond, and have already cherished the false idea that their authourity not be questioned that their higher ups already falsely believe..
I realize all places aren't the same, but where I live parents can attend schoolboard meetings. I would be hard pressed to imagine that is not the general approach to schoolboards in America.
 
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I realize all places aren't the same, but where I live parents can attend schoolboard meetings. I would be hard pressed to imagine that is not the general approach to schoolboards in America.
I'm sure that is the case but the idea is that the school board does not control the narrative. That is not their job.
 
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It was much easier for them than to work with democrats on meaningful legislation to help all Americans. Culture wars and grievance politics is really all republicans in DC have to do to get reelected. Voters rarely demand more from their representatives, hence we seldom receive much from them.

Democrats didn't vote for parents' rights.

What exactly is the common ground you expect to be found where work can be done. We're talking about people who think the state should have absolute control over what children are taught. The same people who are super cool with using social media to police speech....literally, with the FBI promoting narratives.
 
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It's shocking to see yet another emotional appeal to ridicule rather than a substantive point from conservatives.

Wow....this was said, without a hint of irony....and then followed by this...


Poor Christians. So persecuted in America. Not even allowed to impose their worldview on others anymore.
An emotional appeal to ridicule without any substantive point.




Actually, what is frightening is the number of people who think that liberal Dems in this country are socialists. That sort of ignorance and/or misinformation is dishearteningly widespread among conservatives.

Yeah, realistically, it's only about what? Half?




It's shocking to see another emotional appeal to histrionic verbiage rather than a substantive point from conservatives.

It's shocking to see this said twice in the same post without a hint of self reflection.
 
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I'm descended from hundreds of Puritans and Massachusetts Bay Colony was a theocratic nightmare that put Calvin's Geneva to shame. Anabaptists and Quakers had their tongues burned out, their ears cut off, they were branded and quite a number were hanged. They came here not only to ensure that their way of practicing Christianity was allowed, but that it was the only way of practicing Christianity allowed.

That's one perspective, but I don't think it explains the reasons they came to the US, nor does it do justice to what Puritanism was actually about. Puritanism was an important religious movement, some Puritans, like Richard Baxter, were basically theological liberals of their day, whereas the establishment in England was mostly interested in a way that religion could be used to benefit the existing social order and privileged hierarchies, Puritans typically came from rural areas of England, such as East Anglia, and did not represent the aristocracy generally.

Just keep in mind England didn't have freedom of religion, either, and had capital punishments for heresy as well, during the same time period.
 
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Whose family?

Anyone's.

This "family" rhetoric is all too often dog whistles among conservatives for defending reactionary and exclusionary attitudes from necessary scrutiny.

"Exclusionary" is a dog whistle for "bigoted".


This is simply dishonest. I don't see any mass movement to take away the rights of Christians to practice their religion.

Of course not, but there does seem to be a rather illiberal encroachment on science.


Liberals aren't socialists. Liberals value freedom from arbitrary power. The opposite of what these types of laws aim to do.

The law seems to ensure parents have rights regarding the education of their children. There's nothing arbitrary about it.

Arbitrary would be positing that we should teach children according to the dictates of a state regardless of the wishes of parents.

Edit- as to the point it's reactionary....yeah, it is. I don't recall Biden running on teaching children white privilege, racial hierarchy, other CRT related garbage, and pushing a lgbtq agenda onto 1st graders. If he had, I don't think he'd have won. Whenever someone runs on one thing....then does something else, you get reactionary politics. If it's troublesome, perhaps writing a letter to the Dems about being honest with what they want to do instead of back-door political indoctrination would help.

 
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It was much easier for them than to work with democrats on meaningful legislation to help all Americans. Culture wars and grievance politics is really all republicans in DC have to do to get reelected. Voters rarely demand more from their representatives, hence we seldom receive much from them.

Back in the day, we had PTA meetings at schools where these issues were resolved. Parents kept in touch with teachers, and vice versa. Parents knew what their kids' curricula were about, because they were involved in the education planning with the teachers.

If anybody is upset, they should get involved in their local PTA. Whatever happened to "limited government"? This kind of politics isn't conservative at all, it's reactionary and imposes government power where it isn't needed.
 
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