Florida TV Cuts Feed as Ron DeSantis Shows Explicit Content in School Books

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It is, a bit. But I honestly think it’s somewhat valid here. No kid has died from going to one of of these shows, yet this is where the attention is.

Drag performance is a separate issue.

I believe attempts to ban drag will ultimately be struck down by courts, due to having many flaws, such as viewpoint discrimination, which is unconstitutional.

 
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I asked for a specific example not a propaganda sheet
African Americans make up 13% of the US population and >38% of the jail and prison population. They more likely to be stopped, searched, and arrested. In 1973 when I became an LEO in Florida being ‘black at night’ was sufficient reason to stop someone. As late as 2004 when I retired there were still calls of a suspicious person in the neighborhood. When asked what was suspicious about the person the inevitable answer was ‘black male’ and ‘didn’t belong there’.

That is societal prejudice which is still going strong and isn’t the only type of bigotry common today. I have witnessed discrimination in housing and employment.

Is that specific enough?
 
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African Americans make up 13% of the US population and >38% of the jail and prison population. They more likely to be stopped, searched, and arrested. In 1973 when I became an LEO in Florida being ‘black at night’ was sufficient reason to stop someone. As late as 2004 when I retired there were still calls of a suspicious person in the neighborhood. When asked what was suspicious about the person the inevitable answer was ‘black male’ and ‘didn’t belong there’.

That is societal prejudice which is still going strong and isn’t the only type of bigotry common today. I have witnessed discrimination in housing and employment.

Is that specific enough?
NO it is not because if you were in fact a leo you would know that blacks are also responsible for an disproportionate amount of crime which is why their incarceration rate and arrest rate is so high, by the way maybe you missed this in your career as a leo but males are disproportionately arrested for rape, Do you consider that discrimination as well?
 
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  • Gov. Ron DeSantis showed a video featuring explicit content in some books pulled from schools during a news conference.
  • Some news stations cut their live feeds when books with graphic content were displayed

I think this situation would create a bit of a conundrum and highlights the issues with getting "dug in" to a particular "side" of the debate. Tampa's NBC affiliate hasn't been shy about bashing DeSantis for the Florida GOP efforts to remove books from schools, and by taking something of an absolutist stance (rather than wanting take a more nuanced approach), basically allowed themselves to be set up.

I don't think it was any random coincidence that he happen to choose the books "gender queer" and "flamer" to show excerpts from in the preprepared montage that he showed. Most books with an LGBT character or "LGBT Acceptance" theme aren't that graphic and don't contain that kind of content. But by taking a blanket approach of "any effort to remove any LGBT book is bad because we need to fight against the GOP", they walked right into the "egg in the face" trap where they've defended certain books being in libraries in schools that they don't even feel comfortable showing to adults who may be watching their news broadcast.

And hopefully that was a "teachable moment" for them that highlights why the best response to "censor all LGBT books" isn't always "defend all LGBT books at all costs".

It sort of ties in with the things that Democratic strategist and author Ruy Teixeira (Senior Fellow at progressive think tank orgs like Center for American Progress and Brookings Institute) mentioned when he wrote the piece called "The Fox News Fallacy", in which he says
"This is the idea that if <insert prominent conservative pundit/outlet/politician> criticizes the Democrats for X then there must be absolutely nothing to X and the job of Democrats is to assert that loudly and often." and said "It’s Blinding the Democrats to Real Problems".


It would've been better for progressives to say "Okay, well...he's right about some of these books so go ahead and remove those particular ones from schools, but he's using those extreme examples of why he should ban all of them so we still need to fight for the rest of the books to remain" instead of what they did do, which was to pretend that objections to books like "Gender Queer" was a "nothingburger" and some even went as far as defending it as "appropriate for schools" and passed it off as a "regular ol' coming of age book, just from a LGBT perspective"
It sort of makes the argument though. If the material in those books is too graphic for DeSantis to even READ it on television, then it is too graphic to be in schools.
 
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Drag performance is a separate issue.

I believe attempts to ban drag will ultimately be struck down by courts, due to having many flaws, such as viewpoint discrimination, which is unconstitutional.

I don't think anyone is trying to ban drag. What they are banning is drag shows for kids and public drag performances that are inappropriate for kids. Queens can still dress up in their costumes and they can still have their risque performances, just not around kids.
 
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I don't think anyone is trying to ban drag. What they are banning is drag shows for kids and public drag performances that are inappropriate for kids. Queens can still dress up in their costumes and they can still have their risque performances, just not around kids.

Most drag performance isn't particularly risque, that's not typically what drag is about. I would expect performances around kids wouldn't be. Most drag performances are meant to be entertaining or humorous.
 
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NO it is not because if you were in fact a leo you would know that blacks are also responsible for an disproportionate amount of crime which is why their incarceration rate and arrest rate is so high, by the way maybe you missed this in your career as a leo but males are disproportionately arrested for rape, Do you consider that discrimination as well?
Catagorically false.
Police systems and law enforcement focus on crimes that black people are more likely to commit.

FYI: Payroll Theft is the biggest (by 3 or 4x) the LARGEST version of theft occurring in the US. But for some reason, it is DRASTICALLY under prosecuted.

But of course folks don't know that and just assume blacks are more likely to cause crime.
 
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Catagorically false.
Police systems and law enforcement focus on crimes that black people are more likely to commit.

FYI: Payroll Theft is the biggest (by 3 or 4x) the LARGEST version of theft occurring in the US. But for some reason, it is DRASTICALLY under prosecuted.

But of course folks don't know that and just assume blacks are more likely to cause crime.
And where is your evidence for your opinion? I can provide evidence for what I posted if you like. As I believe that you may remember this was covered in depth in our debates about BLM back some time ago but we can go there again if necessary.
 
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And where is your evidence for your opinion? I can provide evidence for what I posted if you like. As I believe that you may remember this was covered in depth in our debates about BLM back some time ago but we can go there again if necessary.
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And you think it's a coincidence that rich people are trying SO HARD to get the IRS funding cut for less agents?



It is stupid to not realize that cops will find MORE criminals in places where they are more present and where they focus their work.


If you like reading, there's this:
The Problem of Wage Theft 37 Yale Law & Policy Review 2018-2019



So to clarify: It's not that "blacks are responsible for hte most crime". It's that "blacks are caught the most often". Cocaine consumption rates between white and black people are very similar rates yet incarceration for black people is 3x higher and when they are convicted, their sentences are higher.
United States - Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs
I know Conservatives HATE having "human rights watch" research thrown in their faces but it would be an enlightenning report.


Any evidence you post is jaded by what I share above; it's a systemic problem. But if you are willing to share your evidence I'll peruse it or sure.
 
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According to 2016 FBI data, black men commit murder 572.8% more than white men. Rapes are committed at a level of 146.1% greater, robbery at 617.9% greater, aggravated assault at 203.3% greater and violent crime in total at 263.6% greater.
 
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Isn’t it the parents who are taking the kids?
Yes and I wonder if the parents really know what's going to happen there. Parents are bamboozled these days by queens who present this as just some fun for kids. The parents don't realize the queen's are really trying to queer their kids.

And this stuff definitely should not be done in public. These shows and dqsh should be labeled R rated.

If a parent want to take their kids and expose them to this garbage then I guess that's on them. They were warned.
 
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Isn’t it the parents who are taking the kids?
Yes and I wonder if the parents really know what's going to happen there. Parents are bamboozled these days by queens who present this as just some fun for kids. The parents don't realize the queen's are really trying to queer their kids.

And this stuff definitely should not be done in public. These shows and dqsh should be labeled R rated.

If a parent want to take their kids and expose them to this garbage then I guess that's on them. They were warned.
 
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And this stuff definitely should not be done in public. These shows and dqsh should be labeled R rated.
But they are not. So what does that tell you about how in touch with contemporary sensibilities you are?

You’re doing exactly what Christians have done for hundreds of years: labelling people you don’t like as evil. Be it witches or heathens or savages, you are playing to type.
 
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Yes and I wonder if the parents really know what's going to happen there. Parents are bamboozled these days by queens who present this as just some fun for kids. The parents don't realize the queen's are really trying to queer their kids.

And this stuff definitely should not be done in public. These shows and dqsh should be labeled R rated.

If a parent want to take their kids and expose them to this garbage then I guess that's on them. They were warned.
Nothing made me want to run away and join the circus quite like going to the circus, ‘tis true, but eventually that wore away and I didn’t end up being a clown. But some did. The “some” will always be there and join the circus.
 
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But they are not. So what does that tell you about how in touch with contemporary sensibilities you are?

You’re doing exactly what Christians have done for hundreds of years: labelling people you don’t like as evil. Be it witches or heathens or savages, you are playing to type.
No they are being outlawed instead. If we just would have treated it like the movies this probably would be a thing.
I think I'm right in step with today's sensibilities. Cause people are starting to wake up to what's going on. That's why we are making headway in this area.

What they are doing deserves an R rating. And so do the books they are reading. Perhaps some even need an X rating due to the graphic sex in them.
 
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NO it is not because if you were in fact a leo you would know that blacks are also responsible for an disproportionate amount of crime which is why their incarceration rate and arrest rate is so high, by the way maybe you missed this in your career as a leo but males are disproportionately arrested for rape, Do you consider that discrimination as well?
Many African Americans were arrested for small amounts of weed something that European American were not charged with because they were less likely to be stopped or searched. It was posited that pot laws were created because many African American musicians used it. Maybe you should ask yourself as to why African Americans are more likely to commit crimes. We know that it is not because of the color of their skin. Could it be because sociological issues?
 
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