Last Days Timing

Gregory Thompson · Mar 20, 2023

claninja said:
I disagree with changing the definitions of words, like making near mean far off, but in “God’s time”.

God can tell us when things are literally far off and has done so. Daniel 8:26 is a great example. So it make no sense to argue “God’s time relativity”.

Instead, What you could argue is the “prophetic perfect idiom”, which doesn’t change the definition of the words, and was a common literary tool used in ancient Hebrew.

It's creation style time, what we tend to observe is 4th day time.

keras · Mar 20, 2023

Our Situation Now:

For Israel: now the Christian Church – Ezekiel 22:26-29 Her priests give rulings that violate My Law and profane what is sacred to Me. They teach there is no distinction between the clean and the unclean, they disregard the keeping of the seventh day of rest and I am dishonoured among them. The peoples leaders are like wolves, doing anything to obtain unjust gain. Her prophetic teachers give out false ideas, making them out to be the truth. The people practice extortion, robbery and they oppress the needy and the alien, denying them justice.

For Judah , the Jewish State of Israel – Jeremiah 8:7-13 Birds know when to migrate and the season to return, but My people do not know the requirements of the Lord. How can you say: We are wise, we have the Law of the Lord, when the scribes with their lying pens have falsified it? The wise will be put to shame, they will be dismayed and trapped. They have failed to discern the Word of the Lord, so what sort of wisdom is theirs?

Therefore, I shall give their wives and their Land to new owners, for all the people, both high and low, are out to make money and gain fame. Prophet and priest, are frauds, every one of them. [End time fiction writers and Rabbis] They address today’s problems superficially, saying: All is well. All well? No nothing is well! They ought to be ashamed, but their pride and prestige won’t allow it. Therefore they will all fall with a great crash on the Lord’s Day of Reckoning. There will be no grapes on the vine, no figs on the fig tree, [Israel: the vine and Judah the fig tree, both do not produce good fruit, that is: the fruit of obeying the Commandments and spreading the Gospel.] even the foliage will wither. [The people - ‘passed under the rod of judgement, all those who revolt and rebel will die’. Ezekiel 20:37-38] What I have given them, will be taken from them.

What we should do about it:

Isaiah 56:1-7 The Lord says: Maintain justice and do what is right, My deliverance is close at hand and My victory will soon be revealed. Happy is the person who keeps these precepts, who keeps the seventh day unprofained and avoids all wrongdoing.

Isaiah 58:6-7 & 13-14 What the Lord requires is justice, to give the oppressed a chance, to give food and clothing to the needy and that you do your duty to your kinfolk. Keep the seventh day holy by not travelling or doing business and attending to your own affairs. Then you will find joy in the Lord and the holding of your father Jacob, will be yours to enjoy.

Micah 6:8 The Lord has told you mortals what is good and what He requires of you. Only act justly, to keep loyal and to walk humbly with your God.

What the Lord will do:

Zephaniah 3:8-9 Therefore wait for Me, says the Lord; wait for the Day when I stand up to accuse you. I have decided to judge nations and kingdoms in order to pour out My wrath upon them, all of My burning anger. The whole earth will be enveloped by the fire of My wrath. Then I will give to the people a pure language, so that they all may call upon the Name of the Lord and serve Him with one accord.

Isaiah 51:7-8 Listen to Me, My people who know what is right: you that lay My instructions to heart, do not fear the threats or reviling of enemies, for they will become like a garment devoured by grubs. My saving power will last forever and My deliverance to all generations.

Acts 26:6-7 It is the hope based on the promise God made to our forefathers...The twelve Tribes worship with intense devotion in the hope of seeing the fulfilment of that promise. [That is the promise of the Messiah and the blessing to every faithful Christian.]

Romans 3:24 All are made righteous if they accept the gift of atonement through Christ Jesus.
Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

Marilyn C · Mar 20, 2023

keras said:
Having established the exact timing of 2000 years between each of the pivotal points of human history, we are now aware of the soon to come 6000th year since Adam.
This approaching critical point is plainly obvious from many aspects of our current situation.

But will Jesus Return at year 6000? I now consider that 2000 years since Jesus was acclaimed King, will not see His Return, for this reason:

What I think will constitute that hugely important mark will be Satan declaring himself to be God, after he has conquered God’s holy people: Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8, which happens 3 ½ years before Jesus Returns.

So we have Jesus being declared as King: John 12:12-15.then 2000 years later; Satan usurps Jesus: 2 Thessalonians 2:4, and rules the world until Jesus Returns; 1260 days later and defeats Satan and his armies: Revelation 19:17-21

This 1260 day period will be a hiatus, a pause in God’s timing and the last part of the silence in heaven, recommencing when Jesus Returns as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords to reign on earth for the next thousand years.

As I maintain that all the Prophesied end times events will take at least 10 years, then this scenario fits with where we are at today: 1993 years since 30 AD.

God uses the timing of 30 days in a month. See 1,260 days = 3 1/2 yrs of 30 days.

keras · Mar 20, 2023

Marilyn C said:
God uses the timing of 30 days in a month. See 1,260 days = 3 1/2 yrs of 30 days.

The 30 day month and the 360 day year were how it was in ancient times, but during the Exodus, circa 1493 BC, the earth slowed its orbit to what we have now: months of varying days and a 365.24 day year.
What is prophesied to happen when the Lord strikes the earth with His fiery wrath, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +, is the earth will speed up its orbit, Isaiah 13:13, and we will have again a 360 day year with 12: 30 day months.

Do you think we should throw out the Prophesies because they don't fit the current times?

Marilyn C · Mar 20, 2023

keras said:
The 30 day month and the 360 day year were how it was in ancient times, but during the Exodus, circa 1493 BC, the earth slowed its orbit to what we have now: months of varying days and a 365.24 day year.
What is prophesied to happen when the Lord strikes the earth with His fiery wrath, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +, is the earth will speed up its orbit, Isaiah 13:13, and we will have again a 360 day year with 12: 30 day months.

Do you think we should throw out the Prophesies because they don't fit the current times?

The 30 days is a prophetic calculation that is constant.

We measure our calendar by the sun, Israel uses the moon. So we use God`s timing and place it on Israel`s calendar to get the right timing.

trophy33 · Mar 21, 2023

keras said:
Basically, you are telling God that you don't care about the many Prophesies He has given to us about what He plans for our future.
Kowing what is coming will be a big help to get thru it all.
The main practical step to take, is to have a place to shelter in for the 24 hours of extreme heat, storms and earthquakes of the Day of the Lords fiery wrath. Isaiah 26:20-21, Revelation 6:12-17

Apostles did not build any heat resistant shelters. And they clearly believed they are the last generation:
"Dear children, this is the last hour"
1J 2:18

Your caring about prophecies seems to be very carnal - saving yourself physically. Christians have been laying their lives down daily, the physical survival was never the point of Christianity. The preparation was clearly meant to be spiritual - staying clean from the world and doing good deeds.

claninja · Mar 21, 2023

keras said:
Now: those letters and the Gospels are the most important part of our Bible.

From your scathing and accusing responses to anyone who promotes the Prophetic Word, it looks like you are worried that you might actually have to face scary and dramatic events.

Au Contraire, Keras. The Bible specifically says that if someone claims something will happen, and then it fails to happen like they said, then it is a message the Lord has not spoken and there is no need to be afraid. So, Because of your past failed predictions, I have no need to be worried about how you personally interpret scripture and predict the future.

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 You may ask in your heart, “How can we recognize a message that the LORD has not spoken?” 22When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

claninja · Mar 21, 2023

Michael Collum said:
It's creation style time, what we tend to observe is 4th day time.

No idea what "4th day time" is. Do you mean the "millennial day theory"?

In any case, this does not address the FACT that God can tell us when things are literally far off, like Daniel 8:26. Why wasn't John just told the same thing in revelation 1:1-3, if the events weren't literally near? Why is John told the literal opposite of Daniel?

Daniel 8:26 The vision of the evenings and the mornings that has been spoken is true. Now you must seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future.”

revelation 22:10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 21, 2023

claninja said:
No idea what "4th day time" is. Do you mean the "millennial day theory"?

In any case, this does not address the FACT that God can tell us when things are literally far off, like Daniel 8:26. Why wasn't John just told the same thing in revelation 1:1-3, if the events weren't literally near? Why is John told the literal opposite of Daniel?

Daniel 8:26 The vision of the evenings and the mornings that has been spoken is true. Now you must seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future.”

revelation 22:10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.

On day 1 of creation, a different light was used to keep time.

On Day 4 of creation, the heavens were sealed up from view and replaced with the solar time we now use.

However, behind the curtain of the firmament, God continues to use day 1 time.

keras · Mar 21, 2023

Marilyn C said:
The 30 days is a prophetic calculation that is constant.

We measure our calendar by the sun, Israel uses the moon. So we use God`s timing and place it on Israel`s calendar to get the right timing.

Unfortunately, the moon does not take exactly 30 days:
..... it takes our Moon about 29.5 days to complete one cycle of phases (from new Moon to new Moon). [ref- google]

The Jewish Calander is a confused mish-mash of added days and their timeline is about 230 years wrong.

myst33 said:
Your caring about prophecies seems to be very carnal - saving yourself physically. Christians have been laying their lives down daily, the physical survival was never the point of Christianity. The preparation was clearly meant to be spiritual - staying clean from the world and doing good deeds.

The Bible Prophesies tell us we must be pro-active and take action to save ourselves. It is not 'carnal' to take heed of warnings.

Jeremiah 5:1-2 Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look and take note, search for anyone who acts justly or one who seeks the truth – that I might forgive that city. People may swear by the Lord, but in fact they perjure themselves.

Is it possible to find anyone there today, acting in real truth and justice?

Jeremiah 5:3 Go; You look for righteousness. You have punished Your people, but they took no heed and refused to learn. They hardened their hearts and would not repent of their sins.

Israel and Judah, punished by their exiles, but they still don’t truly repent.

Jeremiah 5:4-5 The Lord thought; these are only the common people, those that don’t know the Laws of their God. I will go to their leaders and teachers, they should know the right ways. But, they too, have gone away from the right path and no longer keep the Laws or trust the Lord.

Jeremiah 5:6-9 So they will be struck down by disaster, for their rebellious deeds and apostasies are beyond counting. Why should I forgive them for this? Your children have forsaken Me, with idols and adulteries. Shall I fail to punish them for this? I will exact vengeance on these people.

Jeremiah 5:10-13 Prune the vine, lop off the branches, for they are not the Lord’s. Faithless are Israel and Judah, both faithless to Me, they both deny their God, saying: He does not see or care – no harm will come to us, we won’t see war or want. The prophets just spoke empty words, meaningless wind. Therefore, because they talk this way, I shall make My words a fire in your mouth and it will burn up these people like brushwood.

Apostate, atheistic Judah, the Jewish people, and Israel, the Christian peoples, are still similar to their ancestors. The clear prophetic warnings were ignored then and are ignored now. The ‘burning’ did not happen then, it is still future. Ezekiel 20:45-48, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7

Marilyn C · Mar 21, 2023

keras said:
Unfortunately, the moon does not take exactly 30 days:
..... it takes our Moon about 29.5 days to complete one cycle of phases (from new Moon to new Moon). [ref- google]

The Jewish Calander is a confused mish-mash of added days and their timeline is about 230 years wrong.

That`s why God use the exact measurement of 30 days - 1,260 days, 1,290 days & 1,335 days. That exact measurement can then be placed upon any calendar to get the time according to the lunar or solar calendar.

trophy33 · Mar 22, 2023

keras said:
The Bible Prophesies tell us we must be pro-active and take action to save ourselves. It is not 'carnal' to take heed of warnings.

Jeremiah 5:1-2 Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look and take note, search for anyone who acts justly or one who seeks the truth – that I might forgive that city. People may swear by the Lord, but in fact they perjure themselves.

Is it possible to find anyone there today, acting in real truth and justice?

Jeremiah 5:3 Go; You look for righteousness. You have punished Your people, but they took no heed and refused to learn. They hardened their hearts and would not repent of their sins.

Israel and Judah, punished by their exiles, but they still don’t truly repent.

Jeremiah 5:4-5 The Lord thought; these are only the common people, those that don’t know the Laws of their God. I will go to their leaders and teachers, they should know the right ways. But, they too, have gone away from the right path and no longer keep the Laws or trust the Lord.

Jeremiah 5:6-9 So they will be struck down by disaster, for their rebellious deeds and apostasies are beyond counting. Why should I forgive them for this? Your children have forsaken Me, with idols and adulteries. Shall I fail to punish them for this? I will exact vengeance on these people.

Jeremiah 5:10-13 Prune the vine, lop off the branches, for they are not the Lord’s. Faithless are Israel and Judah, both faithless to Me, they both deny their God, saying: He does not see or care – no harm will come to us, we won’t see war or want. The prophets just spoke empty words, meaningless wind. Therefore, because they talk this way, I shall make My words a fire in your mouth and it will burn up these people like brushwood.

Apostate, atheistic Judah, the Jewish people, and Israel, the Christian peoples, are still similar to their ancestors. The clear prophetic warnings were ignored then and are ignored now. The ‘burning’ did not happen then, it is still future. Ezekiel 20:45-48, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7

The apostles did not seek to save themselves physically, they did seek to save others spiritually, though.

When they preached to others that the end is coming, they did not tell them to build a heat shelter, they told them to repent.

Telling the people that the end is coming took them like two sentences, not hundreds of hours of predictions and guesses.

keras · Mar 22, 2023

myst33 said:
The apostles did not seek to save themselves physically, they did seek to save others spiritually, though.

When they preached to others that the end is coming, they did not tell them to build a heat shelter, they told them to repent.

Telling the people that the end is coming took them like two sentences, not hundreds of hours of predictions and guesses.

Again; you just make the Prophesies inconsequential and of no value to us today. I view that as a sin, a rejection of God's Word.
You are wrong to say the Apostles didn't warn us about what must happen, 2 Peter 3:7 and Hebrews 10:27, + tell us that the Lord will use fire and the logical and sensible thing is to take precautions for yourself and your family.

trophy33 · Mar 22, 2023

keras said:
Again; you just make the Prophesies inconsequential and of no value to us today. I view that as a sin, a rejection of God's Word.
You are wrong to say the Apostles didn't warn us about what must happen, 2 Peter 3:7 and Hebrews 10:27, + tell us that the Lord will use fire and the logical and sensible thing is to take precautions for yourself and your family.

Sure, building a physical heat shelter to survive a physical fire that will burn the whole Earth and Heavens (2 Pet 3:7) is certainly what Peter meant.

Instead, he meant:
"Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives"
2 Peter 3: 11

keras · Mar 22, 2023

How do Revelation 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9 say we are to be ‘kept from the hour of trial’ and ‘not destined for retribution’?

They are in the context of: Hold on to what you have, [your faith] let no one rob you of your crown. [your reward] Keep sober, armed with faith and love…..continue to encourage one another.

When we examine the Greek word ‘peirasmos’, translated as ‘trial’ in Rev. 3, we see it doesn’t match with ‘thlipsis’, used in Matthew 24:21; which refers to the Great Tribulation. 1 Thess. 5 is in the context of a sudden destruction the Lord is going to send upon the ungodly peoples. We should not be in the dark about it, knowing what it will be and be prepared for it, spiritually and physically.

For those who stand firm in faith and love, there are two possibilities. One is a rapture removal to heaven, the other is the Lord’s protection during that time of trouble.

I discount the rapture because such a thing as a general removal of the Lord’s people has never happened before, the Israelites and now Christians have always had to face attacks, persecution and disasters. God doesn’t change, Malachi 3:6, and what happened in the past was symbolic and examples for us, upon whom the end of the age is coming: 1 Corinthians 10:6 Besides the fact that a mass rapture to heaven in the end times, is nowhere prophesied or found in the Bible.

Protection does have a precedent; the three men in the furnace, Daniel 3:19-27 But scriptures like Psalms 23 and Isaiah 43:2 ….walk thru fire and you will not be scorched…. plus over 30 other prophesies assuring safety and protection through what is to come. Jesus prayed for this in John 17:15 and promises like; Zephaniah 2:3, 2 Peter 2:9, Psalms 91:1-16, Jeremiah 17:7-8, Isaiah 26:20 are a great comfort and support when trouble strikes.

It’s simple, really; we are plainly told what to do on the terrible Day of the Lord: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

anetazo · Mar 24, 2023

Habukkuk , minor prophets, is about our last generation. Satan as antichrist will come 6th trump, and Jesus 7th trump. The one world political system is coming together. It took two generations for the education system to brainwashing people. Habukkuk 2:3. For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie; though it Tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. Two thousand years ago or 200 years ago, teachers and pastors couldn't understand this. Because it applies to our final generation. We're seeing the one world system build up. Sweden just signed on to NATO. This is a agency of the one world system. Near future, the political system will receive deadly wound. At the 6th trump, satan as antichrist will heal deadly wound. By absorbing nations back in the one world system. Revelation chapter 9:5, it's 5 month period. The world court tribunal has warrant on Putin. Another agency of the political system. Get the picture. H2:4. Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him ; but the just shall live by faith. Satan as antichrist will deceive whole world, because some people are too lazy to study the bible or chase after misguided preachers. The just are God's Elect. They have seal of God. They're not going to be fooled by antichrist lies and deception. 2:15. Woe unto him that gives his neighbor drink, that puts thy bottle to him, and makes him drunk also, that thou may look on their nakedness. These are hirelings setting people up for antichrist. By teaching traditions of men. This being drunk, is teaching false doctrine. The misguided preachers put stumbling block in the path of people. Thier biblically illiterate and don't have prayer of chance against antichrist lies and deception. Get the picture. We saw 7.9 major earthquake in Turkey and Syria in January. Russia invaded Ukraine last year. Covid-19 is pestilence. The famine is inflation and false doctrine. Jesus warns us in Matthew chapter 24 about the end times. Habukkuk warns us, it won't Tarry !.

Marilyn C · Mar 24, 2023

Douggg · Mar 25, 2023

claninja said:
Au Contraire, Keras. The Bible specifically says that if someone claims something will happen, and then it fails to happen like they said, then it is a message the Lord has not spoken and there is no need to be afraid. So, Because of your past failed predictions, I have no need to be worried about how you personally interpret scripture and predict the future.

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 You may ask in your heart, “How can we recognize a message that the LORD has not spoken?” 22When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD and the message does not come to pass or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

Hi claninja,

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 applies to persons who issue proclamations saying that they are speaking on behalf of the Lord.

I don't think keras has made any "thus saith the Lord" statements, claiming to speak directly for the Lord.

What keras is doing is expressing his view(s) and beliefs on issues dealing with bible prophecy and concepts. Nothing more, nothing less.

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As far as being right or wrong, keras is going to have to admit he is wrong concerning his overall scenario when Gog/Magog takes place and it involves the present state of Israel over there - and not his solar flare event/new replacement nation of Beulah scenario.

trophy33 · Mar 26, 2023

Douggg said:
What keras is doing is expressing his view(s) and beliefs on issues dealing with bible prophecy and concepts. Nothing more, nothing less.

His language is different, though, using words like "sin, rejection of God's Word" and similar. It does not seem being tolerant to other views.

keras · Mar 26, 2023

Marilyn C said:
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The only thing that is Prophesied to happen seven years before Jesus Returns, is a peace treaty. As Daniel 9:27 says.
Your idea that Christ comes for His Church, his body of faithful people before He Returns, is not Biblical.

Douggg said:
What keras is doing is expressing his view(s) and beliefs on issues dealing with bible prophecy and concepts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks Dougg. I make no claim to be a prophet. My task is to promote and proclaim what they said. Doing what my name means.

As Clanjia says; I did make the mistake of predicting what I considered to be the Day, of the Lords wrath, which will change the world, those dates came and went and I have apologised for my personal mistake.
But Clanjia is wrong to think that event will never happen, or has already happened.
It WILL happen, Ezekiel 33:33, [read from verse 24 for who it refers to]

Douggg said:
As far as being right or wrong, keras is going to have to admit he is wrong concerning his overall scenario when Gog/Magog takes place and it involves the present state of Israel over there - and not his solar flare event/new replacement nation of Beulah scenario.

If I am wrong, then the Bible Prophets have misled us.
Ezekiel 38:8-11, is quite clear, the peoples that Gog attacks are not and cannot be the present citizens of Jewish Israel. A solar flare, a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude will virtually depopulate the entire Middle East region. Then the Christian peoples will go to live there, to our heritage and to our great privilege. The Lord Promises us His protection and He delivers.

Properly considered, this scenario is the logical and coherent Plan that results in God achieving His desire: His people in His holy Land.

myst33 said:
His language is different, though, using words like "sin, rejection of God's Word" and similar. It does not seem being tolerant to other views.

I view it as opposing God's Word when people say things like: We will be raptured to heaven, when scripture never says that, but clearly says: We must endure until the end.
I know all about intolerance. I get abused and vilified when I post Bible truths that refute peoples false ideas. Why should unscriptural guesswork be tolerated, let alone be accepted and widely taught.

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