What can and can't I do on Sabbath (whether Sunday or Saturday I do no mind)

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Good point in referring to the Bible on this topic

EX 20: God says to "keep it holy" --, sacred, set apart
Is 58:13 tells us that no secular activity is allowed on that specific day
Lev 23:3 says it is a day for "holy convocation" - "solemn assembly"
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
Apologies for not having replied sooner.

I tend to regard our church services as the solemn assemblies/worship and this sets the Sabbath apart from other days, although we worship and meet together at other times too. In the NIV Isaiah 58 v 13 warns us about not doing as we please or speaking idle words on the Sabbath. I thought that meant not to continue with our normal work but take a day out on which we would come to worship the Lord and get some rest from our usual labours.
 
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A lot of people are not understanding that we are no longer required to keep the sabbath under the New Testament. So you have nothing to worry about as long as you accept Jesus as your savior, because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. I will list scriptures and hope you contemplate on them for clear understanding. We all receive discernment from the Holy Spirit. Pray for understanding.

In Galatians 3:1-4, Apostle Paul was really upset with the Galatians for turning back from the gospel message he taught them under the New Testament. Because, the Galatians were being influenced by the Jews that they should keep the mosaic law (including the Sabbath), and some of the Galatians had wrongly followed them. This is why Paul asked who had bewitched them and did they receive the Spirit (the Spirit of Christ) by the works of the law (to include the Sabbath) or by the hearing of faith.

We are no longer under the law and we are not to perform the deeds of the law or we will not be justified before God, Romans 3:20. The law was established that Israel, who God had chosen, would remain righteous before Him, but now we are in Christ Who is the end of the law for righteousness, Romans 10:4. So if righteousness comes by the law, Christ died in vain, Galatians 2:21.

To want to be righteous would be the only reason someone who say they believe in Christ would want to keep the Sabbath, which is a practice under “the law.” But many misunderstand. The New Testament came into full force once Jesus died on the cross, Hebrews 9:16-17.

Once the New Testement came in, none of the law could be adhered to for several reasons:

1) When Jesus died on the cross, the requirements of the law was nailed to the cross with Him, Colossians 2:14. The veil of the temple ripped. This signaled that the law under the Old Testament was no longer a requirement; God no longer required the Levite Priest to appear behind the veil to the throne of God once a year for the sins of the people. We can now come boldly to the throne of God, Hebrews 4:16. As God took the requirements of the law away on the cross, He also crucified us on the cross with Christ signaling we are dead to the law, Romans 7:4.

There is so many more scriptures I could give to explain this. But another important scripture is in Jeremiah 31:33. This scripture is foretelling what God will do under the New Testament in Christ, where God through the Holy Spirit will write His laws in hearts. Paul quoted this same scripture in Hebrews 10:16-17.

None can keep the old mosaic law, It is a yoke that Israel could not bear. Peter addressed this in Acts 15:10.

The Sabbath is only one law, but represents all. Because if you break one, you brake them all, James 2:10. And there are 613 of them. If Israel could not keep them, and put a curse over the law because they could not keep them, Galatians 3:10, how arrogant are we to think we can keep them. If God did not spare Israel for breaking the law, that is all 613, then how can we think he will spare us especially if He has forgiven us for transgressing the law in Jesus. It looks like a denial of Christ blood atonement.

Can you see this?

We are under grace, Romans 6:14.
Depends if your Jewish or not and if you live after the law or the spirit. God does not consider the sababth more important than man. He would not want you keeping rules if someone's life was in danger. Jesus was Jewish and did not keep the sabbath.
 
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If you're not Jewish you can choose to observe the sabbath or not. Its up to you. If you are jewish and you're saved you know the Sabbath is not required as a law of God. If you're Jewish and your not saved you may think you have to keep the sabbath to be acceptable to god. Whether or not you have the Spirit is the only thing that matters. Making that available to you was the only thing Jesus cared about. He made it a point that he cared more about human lives than man's laws. It was the law of man that hated Him and arrested Him and judged Him. Had He been here for the law of man He would never have died. Thats why they didn't think he was their messiah. They considered the law of man above having a relationship with God. He called them 'hypocrites".
 
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If you're not Jewish you can choose to observe the sabbath or not. Its up to you. If you are jewish and you're saved you know the Sabbath is not required as a law of God. If you're Jewish and your not saved you think you have to keep the sabbath to be acceptable to god. Whether or not you have the Spirit is the only thing that matters. Making that available to you was the only thing Jesus cared about. He made it a point that he cared more about human lives than man's laws. It was the law of man that hated Him and arrested Him and judged Him. Had He been here for the law of man He would never have died. Thats why they didn't think he was their messiah. They considered the law of man above having a relationship with God. He called them 'hypocrites".
Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and following him is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to God's law is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. For example, keeping the Sabbath holy is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not keeping the Sabbath holy, so if we are being saved from living in transgression of God's law, then we know that living in obedience to it is intrinsically required regardless of whether or not we are Jewish, including keeping the Sabbath holy. Likewise, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Sabbath is a command of God (Exodus 20:8-11), not a command of men.
 
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Jesus set an example for us to follow of keeping the Sabbath holy and following him is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to God's law is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. For example, keeping the Sabbath holy is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not keeping the Sabbath holy, so if we are being saved from living in transgression of God's law, then we know that living in obedience to it is intrinsically required regardless of whether or not we are Jewish, including keeping the Sabbath holy. Likewise, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Sabbath is a command of God (Exodus 20:8-11), not a command of men.
You can’t see that to keep the sabbath, which is a law under the mosaic law causes you to transgress the law. You can’t see that because you are not looking at what constitutes breaking the law. So what constitutes breaking the law is if you break one of the 10 Commandments, you break all of the other laws, James 2:10 KJV. So, if you keep one, that is the sabbath, then you must keep them all, that is all 613. Can you actually keep all 613? You can’t pick and choose.

So if you keep the sabbath and don’t keep the rest, 612, you now have broken the entire law of God, you now are living in disobedience, and Christ has become of no affect unto you, Galatians 5:4, because you have chosen to disobey and not to accept Christ blood atonement to save you from the curse of the law.

You say you want to keep the law, not knowing that there is a curse over the law that Christ has redeemed us from, Galatians 3:13 KJV.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV foretells there will be a change to the requirements of the ordinances under the law, and they are no longer required because through the Holy Spirit they are written on the heart. That’s why the requirements of the law was crucified on the cross, Colossians 2:14 KJV, Ephesians 2:15 KJV. And is also the reason we were in turn crucified on the cross, Galatians 2:20 KJV, because we live by faith, not the law, Galatians 3:11 KJV.

What you are looking at are the Old Testament commands under the old dispensation that don’t apply to New Testament Christians under the new dispensation for Christ is the end of the law…, Romans 10:4.
 
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Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and following him is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to God's law is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. For example, keeping the Sabbath holy is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not keeping the Sabbath holy, so if we are being saved from living in transgression of God's law, then we know that living in obedience to it is intrinsically required regardless of whether or not we are Jewish, including keeping the Sabbath holy. Likewise, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Sabbath is a command of God (Exodus 20:8-11), not a command of men.
If you are born again, have been sealed with the Holy Spirit, you remain saved regardless if you observe the sabbath or not. God does not look at you differently whether you observe the sabbath or not. If you have the Holy Spirit, you are His. The Spirit guides you into all truth and teaches you all things.

Having a relationship with Jesus is more important than observing a DAY, and in order to have a relationship with Jesus you have to be saved, born again, sealed with the holy spirit. That means having the holy spirit dwelling inside you. God does not know you because you observe a day. He knows you when you are His, through the Holy Spirit.

Jesus doesn't save you because you keep the sabbath. He doesn't save you so you can keep the sabbath.
Jesus saved us to walk in obedience to the Spirit and thats the only way to have fellowship with Him. Laws are kept through that relationship. But if your not saved and try to keep "laws" it makes no difference. HE DOES NOT KNOW YOU THAT WAY. When you are saved, the Spirit instructs you how you should walk.

If you were saved on an island only having the new testament, how would you know what the mosaic law was?
The spirit teaches you right and wrong.
 
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Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and following him is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to God's law is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. For example, keeping the Sabbath holy is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not keeping the Sabbath holy, so if we are being saved from living in transgression of God's law, then we know that living in obedience to it is intrinsically required regardless of whether or not we are Jewish, including keeping the Sabbath holy. Likewise, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Sabbath is a command of God (Exodus 20:8-11), not a command of men.
Man's legalism.
 
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Apologies for not having replied sooner.

I tend to regard our church services as the solemn assemblies/worship
agreed.
and this sets the Sabbath apart from other days,
The fact that it is 'made for mankind' as Christ said in Mark 2:27 - sets it apart.
The fact that it is given to Adam and Even in Gen 2:1-3 according to Ex 20:11 - sets it apart
The fact that it is for all mankind after the cross in the New Earth for all eternity according to Is 66:23 - sets it apart.

although we worship and meet together at other times too.
Agreed - we worship on other days but those are not days devoted to worship where no secular activity is allowed according to God - unlike the case for God's 7th day weekly Sabbath Is 58:13
In the NIV Isaiah 58 v 13 warns us about not doing as we please or speaking idle words on the Sabbath. I thought that meant not to continue with our normal work
Amen - it is a day where no secular activity is allowed.
but take a day out on which we would come to worship the Lord and get some rest from our usual labours.
Amen!
 
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You can’t see that to keep the sabbath, which is a law under the mosaic law causes you to transgress the law.
Sin is transgression of the Law 1 John 3:4

"What matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12.

But your text above says that to Keep God's Law is to transgress it.
You can’t see that because you are not looking at what constitutes breaking the law. So what constitutes breaking the law is if you break one of the 10 Commandments, you break all of the other laws, James 2:10 KJV. So, if you keep one, that is the sabbath, then you must keep them all,
James 2 does not say "do not dare keep one of God's commandments because that makes you a sinner".

So then we never see the text "be sure to take God's name in vain so that you will not be a sinner'
 
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If you are jewish and you're saved you know the Sabbath is not required as a law of God.
At some point you need to quote something other than "you" to show that some idea you have is in scripture.

The Holy Spirit's teaching is that all scripture is inspired by God - rather than "be at war against scripture"
 
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Sin is transgression of the Law 1 John 3:4

"What matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12.

But your text above says that to Keep God's Law is to transgress it.

James 2 does not say "do not dare keep one of God's commandments because that makes you a sinner".

So then we never see the text "be sure to take God's name in vain so that you will not be a sinner'
Circumcism is a practice under the law and Paul warns that if they practice this ordinance under the Mosiac law, Christ will be of no affect to them, Galatians 5:2-4 KJV

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Whoever practice the law is a detour to the law, all 613. And if a person justifies themself by the law, they fall from grace; Christ is if non affect to them.

In 1 Corinthians 7:19 KJV, the word “commandment” in this verse is not talking about the 10 commandments or any commands under the mosaic law. Paul list in the following verses the commandments he is referring to, 1 Corinthians 7:20-40 KJV.
 
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If you are born again, have been sealed with the Holy Spirit, you remain saved regardless if you observe the sabbath or not. God does not look at you differently whether you observe the sabbath or not. If you have the Holy Spirit, you are His. The Spirit guides you into all truth and teaches you all things.

Having a relationship with Jesus is more important than observing a DAY, and in order to have a relationship with Jesus you have to be saved, born again, sealed with the holy spirit. That means having the holy spirit dwelling inside you. God does not know you because you observe a day. He knows you when you are His, through the Holy Spirit.

Jesus doesn't save you because you keep the sabbath. He doesn't save you so you can keep the sabbath.
Jesus saved us to walk in obedience to the Spirit and thats the only way to have fellowship with Him. Laws are kept through that relationship. But if your not saved and try to keep "laws" it makes no difference. HE DOES NOT KNOW YOU THAT WAY. When you are saved, the Spirit instructs you how you should walk.
In 1 John 3:4-10, those who so not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not born again, and in Romans 8:4-14, those who are born of the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to God's law. In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law, and in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so someone being born again, being sealed in the Spirit, and being guided in all truth are all different ways of saying that they are living in obedience to God's law, which includes the command to keep the Sabbath holy.

We can't intelligibly speak about whether or not someone is being saved without regard to the content of what we are being saved from and what are being saved from is not living in obedience to God's law, so whether someone is living in obedience to it directly informs whether they are being saved from not living in obedience to it. Again, keeping the Sabbath holy is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not keeping the Sabbath holy.

In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so I agree that we are not saved as the result of having done these works and that we do not need to do these works as the result of having been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to obey His law for how to do these works is intrinsically the content of His gift of saving us from not doing those works, and doing these works is a requirement for salvation.

There are many verses that describe the Mosaic Covenant as being a marriage relationship between God and Israel, so it is false that having a relationship with God is more important than following His law because His law is His instructions for how to have an intimate relationship with him. The Hebrew word "yada" refers to intimate relational knowledge gained through experience, such as in Genesis 4:1, where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know (yada) Him and Israel too. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know (yada) God and refused to know him because in 9:13 they had forsaken God's law, while in 9:24, those who know God know that he delights in practicing steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in all of the earth, so delighting in practicing those and other aspects of God's nature in obedience to His law is the way to know Him, and Jesus, who is the exact image of God's nature (Hebrew 1:3). In 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey his commands are liars, in 1 John 3:4-6, those who continue to practice sin in transgression of God's law have neither seen nor known him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that h would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is the gift of eternal life (John 17:3), so again that is a requirement.


If you were saved on an island only having the new testament, how would you know what the mosaic law was?
The spirit teaches you right and wrong.
Someone can't understand what salvation from sin is without knowing what sin is and the Mosaic Law is how we know what sin is (Romans 3:20). If someone is refusing to obey God's command to keep the Sabbath holy, then how can it accurate to think that they are being saved from not keeping the Sabbath holy? The Spirit teaches us right and wrong by teaching us to obey God's law. Do you think that we should trust God to correctly divide between right and wrong through His law rather than leaning on our own understanding?
 
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Circumcism is a practice under the law and Paul warns that if they practice this ordinance under the Mosiac law, Christ will be of no affect to them, Galatians 5:2-4 KJV

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Whoever practice the law is a detour to the law, all 613. And if a person justifies themself by the law, they fall from grace; Christ is if non affect to them.
Either there are correct or incorrect reasons for becoming circumcised and Paul only spoke against the incorrect reasons or according to Galatians 5:2, Paul cause Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised in Acts 16:3 and Christ is of no value to roughly 80% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, they were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that was never the reason why God commanded circumcised, so the Jerusalem Council upheld the Mosaic Law by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect reason.

All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we follow Christ. Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ, but with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become saved.

In 1 Corinthians 7:19 KJV, the word “commandment” in this verse is not talking about the 10 commandments or any commands under the mosaic law. Paul list in the following verses the commandments he is referring to, 1 Corinthians 7:20-40 KJV.
Paul saying that what matters is keeping the commandments of God does not leave room for saying that what matters is only keeping the commands of God mentioned in the immediate context while keeping the other commands of God doesn't matter.

While Paul said that circumcision has no value and that what matters is keeping the commands of God, he also said that circumcision has much value in every way, so it is not so much that circumcision either has no value or great value, but that it conditional value based on whether someone obeys the Mosaic Law (Romans 2:25). In Romans 2:26-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcise heart is by observing their obedience to the Mosaic Law, which is the same way to tell for a Jew (Deuteronomy 30:6), and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Mosaic Law.
 
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At some point you need to quote something other than "you" to show that some idea you have is in scripture.

The Holy Spirit's teaching is that all scripture is inspired by God - rather than "be at war against scripture"
I was just trying to explain that its more important to have the Spirit than to be legalistic without the Spirit...
 
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In 1 John 3:4-10, those who so not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not born again, and in Romans 8:4-14, those who are born of the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to God's law. In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law, and in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so someone being born again, being sealed in the Spirit, and being guided in all truth are all different ways of saying that they are living in obedience to God's law, which includes the command to keep the Sabbath holy.

We can't intelligibly speak about whether or not someone is being saved without regard to the content of what we are being saved from and what are being saved from is not living in obedience to God's law, so whether someone is living in obedience to it directly informs whether they are being saved from not living in obedience to it. Again, keeping the Sabbath holy is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not keeping the Sabbath holy.

In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so I agree that we are not saved as the result of having done these works and that we do not need to do these works as the result of having been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to obey His law for how to do these works is intrinsically the content of His gift of saving us from not doing those works, and doing these works is a requirement for salvation.

There are many verses that describe the Mosaic Covenant as being a marriage relationship between God and Israel, so it is false that having a relationship with God is more important than following His law because His law is His instructions for how to have an intimate relationship with him. The Hebrew word "yada" refers to intimate relational knowledge gained through experience, such as in Genesis 4:1, where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know (yada) Him and Israel too. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know (yada) God and refused to know him because in 9:13 they had forsaken God's law, while in 9:24, those who know God know that he delights in practicing steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in all of the earth, so delighting in practicing those and other aspects of God's nature in obedience to His law is the way to know Him, and Jesus, who is the exact image of God's nature (Hebrew 1:3). In 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey his commands are liars, in 1 John 3:4-6, those who continue to practice sin in transgression of God's law have neither seen nor known him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that h would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing God and Jesus is the goal of the law, which is the gift of eternal life (John 17:3), so again that is a requirement.



Someone can't understand what salvation from sin is without knowing what sin is and the Mosaic Law is how we know what sin is (Romans 3:20). If someone is refusing to obey God's command to keep the Sabbath holy, then how can it accurate to think that they are being saved from not keeping the Sabbath holy? The Spirit teaches us right and wrong by teaching us to obey God's law. Do you think that we should trust God to correctly divide between right and wrong through His law rather than leaning on our own understanding?

No... you can't know His law without his spirit. When you have his spirit, you have a relationship with Him. Hs law is learned through His spirit and that relationship. Yes you can read all about the mosaic law but learning that and trying to follow that cannot save you...only recognizing your a sinner and repenting can save you. You know you have sinned because God has written His law on everyone's heart. God has made himself known to every person, It's their choice whether to follow Him or not.

Someone is not being saved, they have to be saved. If you are being saved your not fully save are you?

If you have to be born again to know Gods law, then someone being born again can't know God's law. There's no such thing as being born again. Either you are or you aren't...
 
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No... you can't know His law without his spirit. When you have his spirit, you have a relationship with Him. Hs law is learned through His spirit and that relationship. Yes you can read all about the mosaic law but learning that and trying to follow that cannot save you...only recognizing your a sinner and repenting can save you. You know you have sinned because God has written His law on everyone's heart. God has made himself known to every person, It's their choice whether to follow Him or not.
The fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are the way to know God, which are what God's law was given to teach us how to express. I cited many verses that show that God's law is His instructions for how to know Him, so if you disagree with what I said without showing how I have misunderstood those verses, then you are disagreeing with those verses. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and the Mosaic Law is how we know what sin is (Romans 3:20), so while I agree that we are not saved as the result of obeying it, living in obedience to it is nevertheless intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saying us from not living in obedience to it.

Someone is not being saved, they have to be saved. If you are being saved your not fully save are you?

If you have to be born again to know Gods law, then someone being born again can't know God's law. There's no such thing as being born again. Either you are or you aren't...
The Bible speaks about our salvation in the past, present, and future tenses, so we have been saved from the penalty of our sin (Ephesians 2:8), we are being saved from continuing to live in sin (Philippians 2:12), and we will be saved from God's wrath on the day of the Lord (Romans 5:9-10). In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do certain works and Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself of people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so it is speaking about past and present aspects of our salvation. So there is an ongoing aspect of our salvation that is being trained by grace in the present to do certain works.
 
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