Fake Meat Industry is Dying

Another reason vegans would eat mock meats: most are relatively high in protein, even higher than most legumes in their unprocessed, cooked state. (just FYI, you wouldn't want to eat most legumes raw, for a variety of reasons, and some, such as kidney beans, are even somewhat poisonous unless cooked at high temperatures- one reason I just usually buy my kidney beans canned, as cooking them is more of a chore). And if a person isn't used to a relatively unprocessed, plant-based diet, getting extra protein in the diet can help create a feeling of satiety.

In addition, there is evidence additional plant-protein from sources such as legumes might be good for bone health, and some mock-meats retain alot of the nutrition of the legumes they are made from.

Diamond7 said:

Over time you realize you are not getting the nutrition from them that you get from other foods. So it becomes a catch-22. We have to balance the benefit against the risk and ask ourselves do we really need to be eating this and what is the benefit of what I am doing.

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What? I know plenty of vegans. None are malnourished.

RoBo1988 said:

I've heard that the Instant Pot makes that process go a lot faster, although we have not tried it ourselves yet.

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A microwave pressure cooker is also an option. I have limited space in my apartment so I just use that sometimes. Today I tried making split pea soup, and the peas were not cooking after forty minutes, so I finished them in the microwave.

It's trickier with kidney beans because kidney beans need actual time, heat, and pressure to deactivate the lectins. Otherwise kidney beans can cause serious GI issues.

iluvatar5150 said:

Your family’s beef production is not representative of either the modern American beef industry where only a few percentage of cattle are grass fed and where 40% of national corn production is used for livestock feed (I couldn’t find the % just for beef), nor of global beef ranching where large swaths of forest are burned to expose land for grazing. There’s plenty of material on the subject if you want to read it.

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The epidemic of e. coli infection is partly due to poor slaughter and butchering practices, but more primary is the kind of grain-based feed that the cattle are fed. When cows eat lots of grains, they tend to get dysbiosis because fermentation happens in the wrong part of their gastrointestinal tract.

Something similar happens to humans when we eat alot of refined grains and sugar.

Thomas White said:

What? I know plenty of vegans. None are malnourished.

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Maybe they are taking a protein supplement. I have problems getting enough protein when I avoid meat. I do not think it was God's plan for animals to devour one another. Even the Bible talks about a time when the calf and the lion will lie down together.

Isaiah 11:6-9. The full verse is "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox."

This describes a time of peace and harmony on Earth, where even natural enemies can coexist peacefully.

Diamond7 said:

Maybe they are taking a protein supplement.

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Vegans don't usually need "protein supplements". The body's need for protein is actually fairly low, as much of the protein in the body is recycled. Most Americans get over twice the amount of protein of the USRDA, which is already generous.

Diamond7 said:

I have problems getting enough protein when I avoid meat.

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That's rare, but possible, depending on your physical activity and diet.

People actually have lived off a diet of only potatoes. Potatoes are relatively low in protein, but they have a complete amino acid profile. However, such a diet isn't optimal, but it is adequate.

FireDragon76 said:

People actually have lived off a diet of only potatoes.

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If they eat 15 pounds a day it will keep them alive for a while. I know who you are talking about. Those weak, skinny, emaciated people cannot do any real work. I know people to come over from third-world nations and it takes a while to get them straightened out.

Diamond7 said:

If they eat 15 pounds a day it will keep them alive for a while. I know who you are talking about. Those weak, skinny, emaciated people cannot do any real work.

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Irish peasants lived off a diet that was mostly potatoes, and they were regarded as stronger and healthier at one time than English peasants, who ate a diet based on bread.

FireDragon76 said:

That's rare, but possible, depending on your physical activity and diet.

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I was active and a construction worker. I could easily burn up 3 or 4,000 calories a day. That is a lot of spinach. Better to pay the cow to convert it into something my body can use. In Alaska they can burn up to 6 or 7,000 calories in a day. Now that I am not working as much I can eat less and a veggie diet is more feasible. They just checked my arteries and everything was fine. No stints no ballons. Because I do try to avoid salt and fat in my diet.

This guy doesn't look particularly thin and scrawny:

FireDragon76 said:

This guy doesn't look particularly thin and scrawny:

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Congratulations, you just put your foot in your mouth. The guy starts off the video by saying: "I just took my protein shake". Which you claim we do not need to do.

Diamond7 said:

Congratulations, you just put your foot in your mouth. The guy starts off the video by saying: "I just took my protein shake". Which you claim we do not need to do.

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Vegans aren't the only people that make smoothies or protein shakes. Around where I live, there are places making smoothies everywhere. I make them because they are fun and convenient, but I don't need them to be healthy.

He's also a bodybuilder. As you can see, he eats alot of other foods as well. Bodybuilders use protein shakes mostly because it's a quick way to get protein when they can use it the most, around the time of exercise. But for everybody else, it's not very important.

FireDragon76 said:

He's also a bodybuilder.

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I was a construction worker. I did all day what he does for an hour. If we build a pole barn that means we have to pick up and carry all of the weight of that building.

You do not get to go home when you shoot yourself in the foot anymore. They sent you right back to the front one to show everyone there is no advantage to doing something like that.

Diamond7 said:

I was a construction worker. I did all day what he does for an hour. If we build a pole barn that means we have to pick up and carry all of the weight of that building.

You do not get to go home when you shoot yourself in the foot anymore. They sent you right back to the front one to show everyone there is no advantage to doing something like that.

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OK, here's a relatively ordinary vegan who put on some muscle on a normal vegan diet:

FireDragon76 said:

OK, here's a relatively ordinary vegan who put on some muscle on a normal vegan diet:

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Ok, that is the before photo, where is the after photo? He looks "emaciated" to me. There are people who want to feed their children raw vegetables and there are convicted of child neglect. I want to believe we should not eat animals, but I am not so sure it can be avoided all together.

Diamond7 said:

Ok, that is the before photo, where is the after photo? He looks "emaciated" to me. There are people who want to feed their children raw vegetables and there are convicted of child neglect. I want to believe we should not eat animals, but I am not so sure it can be avoided all together.

Vegan Florida mother convicted of starving toddler to death with strict raw fruits, vegetables diet

A vegan mother from Florida was found guilty of first-degree murder after her 18-month-old child starved to death on a strict raw fruits and vegetables diet.

www.foxnews.com

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There are before shots of him. He's not remotely emaciated looking. He's just normal, lean weight. Still within the healthy range.

Most Americans don't have normal weight anymore. Most are overweight by about 10-20 lbs or more. What looks "emaciated" used to be considered healthy, decades ago.

RileyG said:

Sincere question: Why would a vegan want fake meat anyway? I automatically assume after a while, they would hate the taste of animal products. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Some people are vegan out of moral concerns. A plant-based meat analogue thus allows one to enjoy "meat" without violating their own conscience on the matter.

As far as diet is concerned, we should remember that what we eat is entirely a matter of conscience.

I'm not vegan, I eat meat. But I am fully empathetic with the moral concerns that are involved for those who make that decision.

All else considered, I've had some Impossible products, including their plant-based jerky and the Impossible Whopper from BK, and I gotta say they are quite good and stand well on their own, not just as meat alternatives. I eat meat and I still have got their plant-based jerky.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Some people are vegan out of moral concerns. A plant-based meat analogue thus allows one to enjoy "meat" without violating their own conscience on the matter.

As far as diet is concerned, we should remember that what we eat is entirely a matter of conscience.

I'm not vegan, I eat meat. But I am fully empathetic with the moral concerns that are involved for those who make that decision.

All else considered, I've had some Impossible products, including their plant-based jerky and the Impossible Whopper from BK, and I gotta say they are quite good and stand well on their own, not just as meat alternatives. I eat meat and I still have got their plant-based jerky.

-CryptoLutheran

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Some Christians get really defensive about the subject of animal welfare or environmentalism. This goes all the way back to Augustine, who used the story of the Gerasene Demoniac to argue that God doesn't want us to refrain from slaughtering animals (I would argue it was resentment of his former Manicheanism, where they didn't believe in eating meat, either). And it continues to the present among American Evangelicals, who generally take reactionary attitudes towards environmentalism and animal welfare, with an attitude that has deep roots in western culture's objectification of nature.

I went back to a plant-based diet for reasons of ethics pertaining to the environment. I don't want to be a person to stand around and watch the world burn and do nothing, and meat consumption has an inordinate and heavy impact on the environment. However, over time I became more sympathetic to the case against eating meat on animal welfare grounds. And I also discovered alot of my health problems I was having, such as gout, kidney stones, and general poor health, went away.

Fortunately, I go to a church now (UCC / Congregationalist) where people don't give me a hard time about my diet, and I don't give other people a hard time about their meat-eating.