Correct.
But it is about the *specific* attacks on science. Marxism and communism certainly have at time attacked inconvenient science, but they are largely ideologies about the organization of the economy and the distribution of wealth. There is nothing about that that requires or even implies an attack on science.
I certainly gave those *specific* attacks on science earlier such as Woke and PC ideology that believes there is no fixed nature, no biological sex, gender has no biological basis, CRT tenets claim there is absolutely no innate basis for race/ethnicity, climate change deniers who believe there is no human made climate becuase of their political beliefs.
So I am not sure what else there is. Can you give me other examples.
I'm not even sure how feminism is an attack on science.
Feminism take a similar view as other ideologies like gender ideology in that there is no innate male or female or differences. They have disputed the science many time and feminist theory underpins government and workplace policy.
Feminism is a closed, partisan ideology designed to lobby for female advantage. Science is an open exploration designed to test and expand knowledge. Feminism and science are entirely incompatible.[1]
Feminism rejects biological knowledge about the differences of males and females.
Biology is rejected on the grounds that locating gender differences in biology has been used to oppress women.[3]
fcpp.org
Is Modern Feminism Incompatible With Science?
Ideology is a double-edged sword. Dedication to a set of beliefs can be admirable, but when it leads to inflexibility and obstinance in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it is a dangerous thing. Such ideological rigidity -- often found among the adherents of various philosophical, religious, and political doctrines -- can lead to the rejection of evidence-based inquiry, which serves as the bedrock of modern science.
In an excellent essay for Quillette, former feminist Toni Airaksinen warns about the dangers of modern feminism, particularly as taught in women's studies classes, which she has described as a "rabbit hole" that leads to a "perverse wonderland where up is down."
Ms. Airaksinen's concern is that feminism has been built upon ideas that can neither be proven nor refuted, precisely the sort of evidence-free groupthink that typifies unscientific thinking.
Ideology is a double-edged sword. Dedication to a set of beliefs can be admirable, but when it leads to inflexibility and obstinance in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it is a dangerous thing. Such ideological rigidity -- often found among the adherents of various...
www.acsh.org
Do you notice the similarities feminism has with CRT and gender and transgenderism. They all reject the biological basis (the science) for sex and gender and believe its a social construction. The concern is this thinking has permeated education and is being used as the basis for policy, even presented as science.
The term "scientism" itself is an attack on science.
Yes so if scientism is an attack on science so are the other 'Isms' like marxism, liberalism, socialism, feminism ect. All 'isms' are ideological beliefs, philosophical positions, religions, social views which are subjective aned opposing objective science. If you are anti science you will occupy one of their 'isms'.
People sometimes develop a set of beliefs about how the world is and how it ought to be. This is called an ideology. Ideology often aims to be both descriptive—what the world actually looks like—and prescriptive—how it should ideally be.
The political world is full of lots of ideologies, each with its own logic and set of beliefs. A lot of them end in “ism,”
Not necessarily. Politics is perhaps more often about power, though it can be about ideology.
The question is why is it about power. Its about power because its about ideology. Its a belief and assumption about how the world is and how it should be ordered. How one 'orders' society and the world is based on power relationships. Power is the aim but at the heart of politics public servants have a strong belief and philosophy about how we can best order society that it motivates them to take action.
Not really, the "right wing" attack on climate science is mostly the hijacking of the right by fossil fuel interests pumping propaganda aimed at the political right. (IOW, the climate science attack is commercially motivated, not ideologically.)
Yes money is a powerful motivator. But even that is a ideological belief that 'money is the key to happiness and a better life' such as Capitalism as opposed to socialism. But I think its cynical to say that all politicians and politics itself is purely about money. Though todays politicians sure don't seem like they care.
But the basis for why the Right are supporting big business in the first place to succeed is because of their philosophical belief about free market enterprise aned capitalism over all else including social welfare. Thats almost a moral position as it is putting profits before people.
No one. No one denies the existence of biological sex.
I thought we already went through this. Gender and transgenderism deny biological sex and gender having any biological basis. Queer theory is the basis for ideologies like Feminism, gender and transgenderism. Like CRT it developeed out of the cultural revolutions of the 60's and 70's and became popular in academia in the 90's and is underpinned by postmodernism and post-structuralism.
Science destroys its credibility by embracing critical theory
“Queer Theory” is the academic discipline that birthed the increasingly popular understanding of sex and gender. Its adherents deem any conventional idea about sexuality — say, that “male” and “female” are fixed categories rooted in biology — as oppressive. “Queer Theory is dominated by… the deconstruction of categories, and a profound skepticism of science.”
Critical theory is an existential threat to Enlightenment values, public health, and the scientific enterprise.
bigthink.com
Biomedical and social scientists are increasingly calling the biological sex into question, arguing that sex is a graded spectrum rather than a binary trait. Leading science journals have been adopting this relativist view, thereby opposing fundamental biological facts.
Biological sex is binary, even though there is a rainbow of sex roles: Denying biological sex is anthropocentric and promotes species chauvinism: Denying biological sex is anthropocentric and promotes species chauvinism - PubMed
"Transgender" isn't an ideology. I really wish you would stop claiming that.
Well this is what is commonly used even in science articles. Everyone uses it. It accurately describes transgenderism. What else could we call it. Its not science and its more about subjective feelings, belief and assumptions about human nature and the nature of the world. Its not just speaking about self but is a worldview about how society and the world is and should be. Or at least it has become that similar to feminism has become an all encompassing position. Thats what ideology is.
In the post you were replying to my complaint was that you were *only* discussing the ideology and not even mentioning attacks on science. As I have tried to communicate, this is not a "woke/anti-woke" thread. If a post doesn't address science it isn't on topic.
OK I get you now. Well I did discuss the attacks on science by ideology such as Woke and PC earlier and have referreed back to this several times ie there is no fixed nature, no biological sex, gender has no biological basis, CRT claim there is absolutely no innate basis for race/ethnicity, climate change deniers who believe there is no human made climate change or climate change exaggerators who claim the world will end in 5 years ect. Even religious belief. All ideological positions and not science.
What else is there to discuss that is not an ideological position but also anti science and anti intellectual.. You gotta come up with something as I also don't want to talk about PC and Woke anymore either. Only to say that we can agree that ideological thinking is a way to deny science generally.