Christian Viewpoint On The Gun Debate

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Cars and driving rights are not God-given. The Constitution is not gospel; it can be amended

Yeah, let's get rid of them. Thanks for bringing that up. So many people are killed by vehicles each year. We need adequate public transportation. We need to get rid of cars. It will also help with climate change. My goodness, I'm a bit surprised by your suggestion, but I wholly agree. Trains, bikes, and walking are the future.
 
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Yeah, let's get rid of them. Thanks for bringing that up. So many people are killed by vehicles each year. We need adequate public transportation. We need to get rid of cars. It will also help with climate change. My goodness, I'm a bit surprised by your suggestion, but I wholly agree. Trains, bikes, and walking are the future.
I was being absurd to demonstrate the absurdity of what you previously posted. I have no depth of absurdity that can match that one!
 
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Speaking from a biblical perspective this is my viewpoint on the gun debate. Christians should be for gun rights. Why? Because guns are used for hunting and the Bible justifies hunting. Even if you're a Christian pacifist you've got to admit that guns are used for hunting. So if for no other reason Christians should be for gun rights because guns are used for hunting.
Most people are in favor of some sort of gun control, so the issue not so much about whether or not we should have it, but about how much of it we should have. For example, do you think that everyone should have the right to buy a gun that they could use for hunting even if they have committed multiple violent assaults with guns? Do you think that regular civilians should have full access to any sort of weaponry that could be used for hunting, including vehicles used by the military?
 
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Most people are in favor of some sort of gun control, so the issue not so much about whether or not we should have it, but about how much of it we should have. For example, do you think that everyone should have the right to buy a gun that they could use for hunting even if they have committed multiple violent assaults with guns? Do you think that regular civilians should have full access to any sort of weaponry that could be used for hunting, including vehicles used by the military?

Machine guns are already illegal. Felons are not allowed to possess any firearm. But how many gun crimes are committed by felons ? Lots. But some Liberal judge gives them a short jail sentence and probation, and they just get out and commit more crimes.
 
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I was being absurd to demonstrate the absurdity of what you previously posted. I have no depth of absurdity that can match that one!

Well, you hit a good note despite your efforts. Kudos. :)
 
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I come down firmly on the side of thou shall not kill. That's about it. Someone should be able to own a gun for whatever reason they want to but they shouldn't use it to kill anyone. But more on point:

Luk 22:35 And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?” So they said, “Nothing.”

Luk 22:36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

The meaning of that is that at first they weren't sent out very far, only within Israel. But now they were being sent farther away so they would need to take provisions with them for the longer journey, including a sword. Flavius Josephus wrote of the Essenes:

For this reason they make trips without carrying any baggage at all—though armed on account of the bandits.

When they traveled they carried swords for self defense.
Well there is the argument that weapons should only ever be used against animals and that weapons should never be used against people in any circumstance, but to get into that would be opening another whole can of worms.

But even if you do believe that weapons should never be used against people the fact remains that guns are used for hunting and the Bible justifies hunting, so that does away with any and all Christian arguments against guns.
 
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The problem in America is citizens use guns to hunt other citizens. This makes our society less safe.
Which shouldn't be allowed, and we already have laws that prohibit such stuff, what we need to do is enforce said laws.
Now America actually sacrifices lives of our citizens in our worship of guns.
That's a strange concept, I don't know where you got that from.
As a Christian, I am concerned with the unnecessary loss of lives.
There are things in this world that kill far more than guns do.
 
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The purpose of Peter carrying and using a sword was so he would be in violation the a law in order that Jesus would be seen as a transgressor (Criminal).
So you're saying Jesus lied?
Since this prophesy was fulfilled and the purpose of the swords has long passed, those verses can't be used to support the idea that followers of Christ should carry guns for self defense today.
Whether or not Christians should carry guns for self defense is another matter, but the point is that guns are used for hunting so that reason alone justifies Christians owning and using guns.
 
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Can you show how the Bible justifies hunting, particularly hunting with guns?
"And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat." Acts 10:13

" And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them." Luke 24:42-43
Don't get me wrong, I'm a gun owner, but I'm curious how you would develop such an argument. By the way, I'm also for more gun regulation. Many American citizens continue to show they are not responsible gun owners. If we can't be responsible as a whole, then we need legislation to step in the gap.
Whether or not there should be more gun regulation, to some extent, is another matter. I've heard the argument that Christians shouldn't own or use guns period. Im pointing out how such an argument is wrong and goes against the Bible if for no other reason because guns are used for hunting.
Gun rights are not God-given. The Constitution is not gospel; it can be amended.
On the contrary the 2A identifies the right to keep and bear arms as God given, but that is another argument.
 
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That seems like an odd argument. As a broad category guns can be used for hunting. But not all guns are suitable for hunting, including many of the more popular ones.
What more popular ones? Exactly what kinds of guns are popular and not suited for hunting?
Not to mention there are other ways to hunt, so it's not like hunting would stop if all guns were banished.
And travel wouldn't stop if all cars were banished, we would just go back to horses you could argue. The fact of the matter is that guns are the method of hunting today in the modern culture. Sure, some people like to hunt using other weapons such as bows but to say everybody should only hunt with bows or other such primitive weapons would be as silly as saying everybody should use horses to get around instead of cars. Guns are more efficient and more effective than other more primitive hunting means and they also allow the taking of larger game. It would be foolish to try to take down a large bear with just a bow.
 
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I don't think the whole debate on guns is about hunting.
No, but it is an effective means to kill any Christian argument against guns and gun ownership. There are some Christians who think weapons should never be used against people but not even they can argue against guns being used for hunting.
 
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This must mean something.......

“Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. "

Blessings
That has nothing to do with hunting and the use of guns in regards to hunting.
 
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Most people are in favor of some sort of gun control, so the issue not so much about whether or not we should have it, but about how much of it we should have.
I've heard the argument that Christians shouldn't own or use guns period. Im pointing out how that's wrong.
For example, do you think that everyone should have the right to buy a gun that they could use for hunting even if they have committed multiple violent assaults with guns?
They should be in prison, plain and simple.
Do you think that regular civilians should have full access to any sort of weaponry that could be used for hunting, including vehicles used by the military?
When you talk about military vehicles that can mean all sorts of stuff from M1 Abrams tanks to fighter jets to jeeps and trucks that don't have any weapons. I've never heard of anybody using a tank or a fighter plane to hunt, but if somebody owns an army jeep or truck and they want to use it to drive to and from a hunting site, I've got no objection to that.
 
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I've heard the argument that Christians shouldn't own or use guns period. Im pointing out how that's wrong.

They should be in prison, plain and simple.

When you talk about military vehicles that can mean all sorts of stuff from M1 Abrams tanks to fighter jets to jeeps and trucks that don't have any weapons. I've never heard of anybody using a tank or a fighter plane to hunt, but if somebody owns an army jeep or truck and they want to use it to drive to and from a hunting site, I've got no objection to that.
There are many different ways that someone could choose to hunt including using a fighter plane to hunt by doing a strafing run, so just because something can be used for hunting does not necessarily mean that we should have the right to use it for hunting. Likewise, just because guns can be used for hunting does not necessarily mean that we should have the right to use guns for hunting as opposed to hunting.
 
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I come down firmly on the side of thou shall not kill. That's about it. Someone should be able to own a gun for whatever reason they want to but they shouldn't use it to kill anyone. But more on point:

Luk 22:35 And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?” So they said, “Nothing.”

Luk 22:36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

The meaning of that is that at first they weren't sent out very far, only within Israel. But now they were being sent farther away so they would need to take provisions with them for the longer journey, including a sword. Flavius Josephus wrote of the Essenes:

For this reason they make trips without carrying any baggage at all—though armed on account of the bandits.

When they traveled they carried swords for self defense.
The commandment was not thou shalt not kill, the commandment was thou shalt not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. There were a number of offenses that God specifically stated must be punished by death. Furthermore God specifically commanded the Israelites to attack other nations and civilizations and to kill them.
 
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So you're saying Jesus lied?
Not at all. Jesus made it clear that the purpose of the sword was to fulfill what was written by the prophet Isaiah.

He told them, “the one with a purse should take it, and likewise a bag; and the one without a sword should sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about Me is reaching its fulfillment.” (Luke 22:36-37)


Therefore I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the spoils with the strong, because He has poured out His life unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors. Yet He bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors. (Isaiah 53:12)

Whether or not Christians should carry guns for self defense is another matter, but the point is that guns are used for hunting so that reason alone justifies Christians owning and using guns.
I agree. There's nothing at all wrong with Christians owning guns for hunting.
 
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I come down firmly on the side of thou shall not kill. That's about it. Someone should be able to own a gun for whatever reason they want to but they shouldn't use it to kill anyone. But more on point:

Luk 22:35 And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?” So they said, “Nothing.”

Luk 22:36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

The meaning of that is that at first they weren't sent out very far, only within Israel. But now they were being sent farther away so they would need to take provisions with them for the longer journey, including a sword. Flavius Josephus wrote of the Essenes:

For this reason they make trips without carrying any baggage at all—though armed on account of the bandits.

When they traveled they carried swords for self defense.
Actually the reason Jesus told them to go buy a sword if they didn’t have one is specifically given in that passage. It was to fulfill the prophecy that He was numbered among the transgressors.

“And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘And He was numbered with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭36‬-‭38‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
 
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Yeah, let's get rid of them. Thanks for bringing that up. So many people are killed by vehicles each year. We need adequate public transportation. We need to get rid of cars. It will also help with climate change. My goodness, I'm a bit surprised by your suggestion, but I wholly agree. Trains, bikes, and walking are the future.
Probably better add cholesterol, water, and gravity to that list as well.
 
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Speaking from a biblical perspective this is my viewpoint on the gun debate. Christians should be for gun rights. Why? Because guns are used for hunting and the Bible justifies hunting. Even if you're a Christian pacifist you've got to admit that guns are used for hunting. So if for no other reason Christians should be for gun rights because guns are used for hunting.
I speculate that most Christian gun owners don’t hunt or they have guns that are not intended to hunt with. I know the majority of Christians gun owners I know don’t hunt including myself.
 
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