Child Marriage Ban Bill Defeated in West Virginia House

Hammster · Mar 10, 2023

RocksInMyHead said:
Why isn't that problematic? Very few people who marry at 16 are mentally prepared for that commitment, and that's hardly something that parents are equipped to assess.

Parents are the only ones who are equipped to assess this.

RocksInMyHead · Mar 10, 2023

Hammster said:
That still didn’t answer my question.

Which one?

Hammster said:
Okay, why should you be an adult?

Because I'm over the age of 18, which our country has collectively decided as the age of majority.

Hammster said:
What’s the difference between 17 years, 11 1/2 months, and 18 years?

About 15 days.

Happy now?

RocksInMyHead · Mar 10, 2023

Hammster said:
Parents are the only ones who are equipped to assess this.

Nope. Can parents read minds? Are they trained in psychology and child development? There is no situation in which a 16-year-old needs to be married, therefore it should not be legal to marry at 16. Full stop.

dogs4thewin · Mar 10, 2023

rturner76 said:
Many are or they are pressured by their parents and want to do what they are told. They are not 18-year-olds with adult minds. They are children. Why is it statutory rape in some states but ok in others? First of all each state has its own laws. Under the law in most states a person may have sex with anyone sixteen or older with some exceptions. Some states have an age of consent of 17 or 18 but it is usually 16. Many states have close in age exceptions that allow teenagers to have sex with other teens while one or both are under the age of consent. Point being, that having sex, being married and statutory rape are not the same thing. For example, here in GA the age of consent is 16 the age to marry with parents' consent is 17 or 18 without parents' consent. GA does not have a close in age exception so any sex under 16 is illegal ( though there is a different less serious charge brought on young adults that have sex with 14 and 15 year olds Also the brain does not fully mature until the mid 20sso that 18 year old is still developing what we going to do raise the age of adulthood to 25?

Hammster · Mar 10, 2023

RocksInMyHead said:
Nope. Can parents read minds? Are they trained in psychology and child development?

No, but they know their children. I know mine.

RocksInMyHead said:
There is no situation in which a 16-year-old needs to be married, therefore it should not be legal to marry at 16. Full stop.

Then don’t let your kids get married at 16.

dogs4thewin · Mar 10, 2023

rturner76 said:
Many are or they are pressured by their parents and want to do what they are told. They are not 18-year-olds with adult minds. They are children. Why is it statutory rape in some states but ok in others?

not sure why this did not work the first time.

First of all each state has its own laws. Under the law in most states a person may have sex with anyone sixteen or older with some exceptions. Some states have an age of consent of 17 or 18 but it is usually 16. Many states have close in age exceptions that allow teenagers to have sex with other teens while one or both are under the age of consent. Point being, that having sex, being married and statutory rape are not the same thing. For example, here in GA the age of consent is 16 the age to marry with parents' consent is 17 or 18 without parents' consent. GA does not have a close in age exception so any sex under 16 is illegal ( though there is a different less serious charge brought on young adults that have sex with 14 and 15 year olds Also the brain does not fully mature until the mid 20s so that 18 year old is still developing what we going to do raise the age of adulthood to 25?

dogs4thewin · Mar 10, 2023

double post

grasping the after wind · Mar 10, 2023

RocksInMyHead said:
Nope. Can parents read minds? Are they trained in psychology and child development? There is no situation in which a 16-year-old needs to be married, therefore it should not be legal to marry at 16. Full stop.

There is no situation in which gays need to be married therefore it should not be legal for gays to marry. OR perhaps needing to be married is not the criterion we should use to decide who gets to marry? If a 17- or 16-year-old couple is mature enough to decide to get married and their families approve, I see no reason that the State should imagine it has any right to intervene. I see no reason the State should be involved in marriage in any way. Certainly, the families are much more familiar with the couple than some disinterested psychologist or child development specialist that perhaps has not had one iota of practical experience with children or marriage.

RocksInMyHead · Mar 10, 2023

grasping the after wind said:
There is no situation in which gays need to be married therefore it should not be legal for gays to marry.

So long as they're adults, this is irrelevant. We're talking about closing off an exception that is not needed, not the affirmation of a right. They're not prohibited from marrying altogether, just right this moment.

grasping the after wind said:
If a 17- or 16-year-old couple is mature enough to decide to get married and their families approve, I see no reason that the State should imagine it has any right to intervene.

If a 16 or 17 year old couple is mature enough to decide to get married and their families approve, I see no reason why they can't wait until they're 18. A 1-2 year engagement is hardly unusual.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 10, 2023

apparently forbidding people to get married is something demons teach, so maybe do an exorcism on those who voted in favor.

Pommer · Mar 10, 2023

Hammster said:
How does that answer my question?

Which one?

Hammster said:
Why is this a problem?

Hammster said:
Do you know what the current law is?

Hammster said:
Okay, why should you be an adult? What’s the difference between 17 years, 11 1/2 months, and 18 years?

Hammster said:
And where is this happening in W. Virginia?

Hammster said:
You don’t understand how a question relates to what you said?

Pommer · Mar 10, 2023

rturner76 said:
Many are or they are pressured by their parents and want to do what they are told. They are not 18-year-olds with adult minds. They are children. Why is it statutory rape in some states but ok in others?

These are 9th and 10th Amendment issues and are (under our system) “just the ways things are”.

GreatLakes4Ever · Mar 10, 2023

JacksBratt said:
But..... they are allowed to do chemical castration and gender manipulation at much youger ages?

I mean really, if you get married that young, not that I agree with that..... it is not a life changing event like having your sexual organs surgically removed and your hormones blocked. But... they are allowing this sort of thing and the parents can't even do anything about it.

We live in a clown world.

It is for Christians who believe marriage is no one should separate what God has joined.

iluvatar5150 · Mar 10, 2023

Hammster said:
Parents are the only ones who are equipped to assess this.

Rules like this can help buttress against the poor judgment and nefarious intentions of parents.

Hammster · Mar 10, 2023

Pommer said:
Which one?

The one you quoted.

Hammster · Mar 10, 2023

iluvatar5150 said:
Rules like this can help buttress against the poor judgment and nefarious intentions of parents.

Yeah, that’s what we need. More tyranny. :oldthumbsup:

seeking.IAM · Mar 10, 2023

Sixteen-year-olds aren't done developing into who they are going to be. Decisions made at 16 may be viewed very differently by 25 when brains are more fully developed. I am still in touch with my girlfriend at 16. We both are vastly different people now than we were then, having grown in thought and belief in different directions. Nice girl but our marriage at 16 would have had a good chance of being a train wreck due to emerging differences. With the divorce rate for first marriages hovering around 50%, putting a little more maturity, life experience, and thought into mate selection seems to me like good idea.

Hammster · Mar 10, 2023

seeking.IAM said:
Sixteen-year-olds aren't done developing into who they are going to be. Decisions made at 16 may be viewed very differently by 25 when brains are more fully developed. I am still in touch with my girlfriend at 16. We both are vastly different people now than we were then, having grown in thought and belief in different directions. Nice girl but our marriage at 16 would have had a good chance of being a train wreck due to emerging differences. With the divorce rate for first marriages hovering around 50%, putting a little more maturity, life experience, and thought into mate selection seems to me like good idea.

Are you both the same as you were at 18?

rturner76 · Mar 10, 2023

dogs4thewin said:
not sure why this did not work the first time.

First of all each state has its own laws. Under the law in most states a person may have sex with anyone sixteen or older with some exceptions. Some states have an age of consent of 17 or 18 but it is usually 16. Many states have close in age exceptions that allow teenagers to have sex with other teens while one or both are under the age of consent. Point being, that having sex, being married and statutory rape are not the same thing.

They are not but being coerced into a marriage with an old man is not a good look ehticaly. Getting married at age 16 under your parents direction, especially when it's a financial arrangement is just flat out child abuse. Maybe they approve of that in GA but not in my state where children have the right to avoid being a child bride.

dogs4thewin said:
For example, here in GA the age of consent is 16 the age to marry with parents' consent is 17 or 18 without parents' consent. GA does not have a close in age exception so any sex under 16 is illegal ( though there is a different less serious charge brought on young adults that have sex with 14 and 15 year olds Also the brain does not fully mature until the mid 20s so that 18 year old is still developing what we going to do raise the age of adulthood to 25?

Ok, so let them marry at age 18, under that, you are marrying an adult to a child. I don't think GA approves of child abuse but it seems that when you can sell your daughter to an old man as a 16-year-old. It's child abuse. Do you approve of child brides?

rturner76 · Mar 10, 2023

Pommer said:
These are 9th and 10th Amendment issues and are (under our system) “just the ways things are”.

Marrying children is just "the way things are?" Seems pretty sickening that we can't even allow them to turn 18 before selling our daughters.

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