Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

rturner76 · Feb 20, 2023

rjs330 said:
No you are still blaming whites for everything. Whites took slaves whites coerced the slave traders whites threatened the slave traders.

You have not placed a single but of blame upon the traders.

It's like placing all the blame for drug dealing in the buyers. The sellers are all victims of the buyers. The sellers just want money. If those terrible buyers weren't offering the.money those sellers wouldn't sell. Right? It's all the drug buyers fault.

It cannot be the CIAs fault. Why if there weren't any buyers the suppliers wouldn't have any reason to sell. Those guys that sold the drugs to all the buyers wouldn't do it except the buyers all coerced them with money. And lots of it.

They made it cheaper and more readily available so it became a viable option for poor people to come up in the world.

rturner76 · Feb 20, 2023

rjs330 said:
It's like placing all the blame for drug dealing in the buyers. The sellers are all victims of the buyers. The sellers just want money. If those terrible buyers weren't offering the.money those sellers wouldn't sell. Right? It's all the drug buyers fault

The drug trade is a bit of a different beast than the slave trade. It's not the fact that slaves were sold, it's the fact that is was mandatory that slaves be black. So even if Africans had Slavic or Asian slaves, they only wanted the black ones. Jim Crow and all that so it wasn't an eual oppertunity slave trade. It was black slave trade. Making blacks second-class citizens has affected their role in society until this day.

I agree that black Africans participated in the slave trade but it was the white man who made it an exclusivily black slave trade. THen they enslaved the entire continent under colonization. Africans can't be blamed for that.

Ken-1122 · Feb 20, 2023

rturner76 said:
Hored slaves and sell them in the AMericas

Are you seriously suggesting people from the USA bought slaves from Africa only to sell them to Central and South America? Less than 5% of slaves from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade came to the USA, why would they sell them somewhere else instead of bringing them to this country? What evidence do you have of this; because you aren't making any sense now.

rturner76 said:
You ever heard of the Iran/Contra scanle? They paid for their private war with coke. They also tried to take over the opium trade on both Vietnam and Afghanistan. The CIA has been in the drug business for decdes.

CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine Controversy

Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Special Reports - Cocaine, Conspiracy Theories And The Cia In Central America | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

www.pbs.org

Reporter Gary Webb was murdered for exposing the plot.

So some guy claims half a century ago this happened? First of all, there's no evidence it actually happened, second; that was HALF A CENTURY AGO! You said the CIA was involved TODAY! Provide evidence this is happening today.

rturner76 said:
All Europeans are white unless they are from somewhere else. You didn't know Europeans were white?

If you're talking about Europeans, you should say Europeans because not all Europeans are white, and not all whites are European. Second; my argument is not what people from Europe did, I'm talking about what people from the United States did.

rjs330 · Feb 20, 2023

rturner76 said:
The drug trade is a bit of a different beast than the slave trade. It's not the fact that slaves were sold, it's the fact that is was mandatory that slaves be black. So even if Africans had Slavic or Asian slaves, they only wanted the black ones. Jim Crow and all that so it wasn't an eual oppertunity slave trade. It was black slave trade. Making blacks second-class citizens has affected their role in society until this day.

I agree that black Africans participated in the slave trade but it was the white man who made it an exclusivily black slave trade. THen they enslaved the entire continent under colonization. Africans can't be blamed for that.

I don't think anyone's arguing that it wasn't a black slave trade. Were the Slavics and Asians involved in selling Slavics and Asians to everyone? I don't think I recall that. What I recall is Africans selling other Africans.

So they are equally to blame. Until you come to grips with that you are going to continually be very anti-white.

I think drug sales is a good comparison in regards to the sales of slaves. The dealer is just as responsible as the buyer and vice versa.

rturner76 · Feb 20, 2023

rjs330 said:
I don't think anyone's arguing that it wasn't a black slave trade. Were the Slavics and Asians involved in selling Slavics and Asians to everyone? I don't think I recall that. What I recall is Africans selling other Africans.

So they are equally to blame. Until you come to grips with that you are going to continually be very anti-white.

I think drug sales is a good comparison in regards to the sales of slaves. The dealer is just as responsible as the buyer and vice versa.

Slavs were the original commodity in Rome, that's where we get the name slaves from. I would say Africans were culpable but they were also forced to enslave their neighbors or be enslaved themselves so it was survival of the fittest. Then when Europeans got tired of buying slaves from traders, they went in and colonized the continent dividing it up between themselves.

In the period from 1885 to 1908, many atrocities were perpetrated in the Congo Free State (today the Democratic Republic of the Congo) which, at the time, was a state under the absolute rule of King Leopold II of the Belgians. These atrocities were particularly associated with the labour policies used to collect natural rubber for export. Together with epidemic disease, famine, and a falling birth rate caused by these disruptions, the atrocities contributed to a sharp decline in the Congolese population. The magnitude of the population fall over the period is disputed, with modern estimates ranging from 1.5 million to 13 million.

Atrocities in the Congo Free State - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

rjs330 · Feb 20, 2023

rturner76 said:
Slavs were the original commodity in Rome, that's where we get the name slaves from. I would say Africans were culpable but they were also forced to enslave their neighbors or be enslaved themselves so it was survival of the fittest. Then when Europeans got tired of buying slaves from traders, they went in and colonized the continent dividing it up between themselves.

In the period from 1885 to 1908, many atrocities were perpetrated in the Congo Free State (today the Democratic Republic of the Congo) which, at the time, was a state under the absolute rule of King Leopold II of the Belgians. These atrocities were particularly associated with the labour policies used to collect natural rubber for export. Together with epidemic disease, famine, and a falling birth rate caused by these disruptions, the atrocities contributed to a sharp decline in the Congolese population. The magnitude of the population fall over the period is disputed, with modern estimates ranging from 1.5 million to 13 million.

Atrocities in the Congo Free State - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

None of that has anything to do with showing there is systemic racism today. You are still stuck in the past.

Akita Suggagaki · Mar 1, 2023

Second, structural racism has deeply and adversely affected health and health care specifically, as manifested by reduced life expectancy,1,2 higher burden of various illnesses,3 and higher infant and maternal mortality,4,5 especially among Black and Hispanic or Latinx individuals. This stark disparity has become further exacerbated during the COVID-19 pandemic. Black and Hispanic or Latinx populations have experienced rates of hospitalizations and deaths due to COVID-19 that are 3-fold higher than White populations.6,7 This discrepancy has led to a further widening the nearly 6-year lower in life expectancy among Black persons compared with White persons in the US.8 This distressing trend is a direct manifestation of the disparities in the availability of and access to high-quality health services, with associated inferior treatment and outcomes.

Structural Racism and JAMA Network Open

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Vaccine Hesitancy Is a Scapegoat for Structural Racism

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Ken-1122 · Mar 1, 2023

Akita Suggagaki said:
Second, structural racism has deeply and adversely affected health and health care specifically, as manifested by reduced life expectancy,1,2 higher burden of various illnesses,3 and higher infant and maternal mortality,4,5 especially among Black and Hispanic or Latinx individuals. This stark disparity has become further exacerbated during the COVID-19 pandemic. Black and Hispanic or Latinx populations have experienced rates of hospitalizations and deaths due to COVID-19 that are 3-fold higher than White populations.6,7

Perhaps this due to blacks less likely to be vaccinated

Why Black Americans Are Less Likely to Take the COVID Vaccine

A poll released by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research on February 10 found that hesitancy around the vaccine was more prominent among Black Americans compared with other ethnicities.

www.newsweek.com

RDKirk · Mar 1, 2023

Ken-1122 said:
Perhaps this due to blacks less likely to be vaccinated

Why Black Americans Are Less Likely to Take the COVID Vaccine

A poll released by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research on February 10 found that hesitancy around the vaccine was more prominent among Black Americans compared with other ethnicities.

www.newsweek.com

I think it has more to do with us A) having more comorbidities and B) more often having jobs that did not permit working from home.

Is that a matter of structural racism? If that had happened in 1965, I'd say, "yes." But after 50 years, it's a matter of culture.

Ken-1122 · Mar 2, 2023

RDKirk said:
I think it has more to do with us A) having more comorbidities and B) more often having jobs that did not permit working from home.

Is that a matter of structural racism? If that had happened in 1965, I'd say, "yes." But after 50 years, it's a matter of culture.

It might also have to do with living styles also; poor blacks more likely to live in close quarter inner city/ project housing but poor whites more likely to live in trailer parks urban areas with a little more room between front doors

rjs330 · Mar 2, 2023

Akita Suggagaki said:
Second, structural racism has deeply and adversely affected health and health care specifically, as manifested by reduced life expectancy,1,2 higher burden of various illnesses,3 and higher infant and maternal mortality,4,5 especially among Black and Hispanic or Latinx individuals. This stark disparity has become further exacerbated during the COVID-19 pandemic. Black and Hispanic or Latinx populations have experienced rates of hospitalizations and deaths due to COVID-19 that are 3-fold higher than White populations.6,7 This discrepancy has led to a further widening the nearly 6-year lower in life expectancy among Black persons compared with White persons in the US.8 This distressing trend is a direct manifestation of the disparities in the availability of and access to high-quality health services, with associated inferior treatment and outcomes.

Structural Racism and JAMA Network Open

Like so many in our academic community, we were distressed by the February 2021 JAMA podcast and corresponding tweet suggesting that structural racism does not exist and that no physicians are racist. Although we have not written about this issue until now, these events have prompted a deep...

jamanetwork.com

Vaccine Hesitancy Is a Scapegoat for Structural Racism

Vaccine hesitancy and mistrust of medicine and science dominate current discourse around disparities in who is currently receiving COVID-19 vaccines, a potentially lifesaving prevention strategy. Mistrust of medicine and science is based in a long and sordid history of unethical practice and...

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Or maybe violent crime and drugs and lifestyles are the reasons why life expectancy is lower and not systemic racism. You'd have to prove that the outcomes are directly related to systemic racism and caused by it. And what systems they are and how they are racist.

essentialsaltes · Mar 8, 2023

Justice Department finds Louisville police department uses "aggressive style," especially against Black people

From CNN's Hannah Rabinowitz

The Justice Department issued a scathing report on the Louisville Police Department after a nearly two-year review launched in the wake of the botched raid that killed Breonna Taylor.

Garland said that the Louisville Police Department "relied heavily on pretextual traffic stops in Black neighborhoods."

"In these stops, officers use the pretense for making a stop for minor traffic offense in order to investigate for other crimes," he continued.

Garland documented aggressive behavior and racial epithets used by police toward residents.

"Some officers have demonstrated disrespect for the people they are sworn to protect. Some have videotaped themselves throwing drinks at pedestrians from their cars, insulted people with disabilities and called Black people 'monkeys,' 'animal' and 'boy.' This conduct is unacceptable. It is heartbreaking. It erodes the community trust necessary for effective policing and it is an affront to the vast majority of officers who put their lives on the line every day to serve Louisville with honor, and it is an affront to the people of Louisville who deserve better," he said.

"Failures of leadership and accountability have allowed unlawful conduct to continue unchecked," the Justice Department said. "Even when city and police leaders announced solutions, they failed to follow through. In LMPD, officer misconduct too often goes unnoticed and unaddressed. At times, LMPD leaders have endorsed and defended unlawful conduct."

As a result of the misconduct, the police department has paid more than $40 million to resolve claims of police misconduct over the past six years, according to the report.

Pommer · Mar 8, 2023

essentialsaltes said:
Justice Department finds Louisville police department uses "aggressive style," especially against Black people
From CNN's Hannah Rabinowitz

The Justice Department issued a scathing report on the Louisville Police Department after a nearly two-year review launched in the wake of the botched raid that killed Breonna Taylor.

Garland said that the Louisville Police Department "relied heavily on pretextual traffic stops in Black neighborhoods."

"In these stops, officers use the pretense for making a stop for minor traffic offense in order to investigate for other crimes," he continued.

Garland documented aggressive behavior and racial epithets used by police toward residents.

"Failures of leadership and accountability have allowed unlawful conduct to continue unchecked," the Justice Department said. "Even when city and police leaders announced solutions, they failed to follow through. In LMPD, officer misconduct too often goes unnoticed and unaddressed. At times, LMPD leaders have endorsed and defended unlawful conduct."

As a result of the misconduct, the police department has paid more than $40 million to resolve claims of police misconduct over the past six years, according to the report.

Link to the actual DOJ Report.

Ana the Ist · Mar 8, 2023

RDKirk said:
Could be, but my point is that "quick to demand the heads of every cop in between" is not a considerable problem.

Isn't it?

The communities that were supposed to be most helped by those quick to demand prosecution have been most hurt by it.

They can't find anyone willing to be a cop anymore....or have to lower their standards.

Ever hear the phrase "the perfect is the enemy of the good"?

RDKirk · Mar 8, 2023

Ken-1122 said:
It might also have to do with living styles also; poor blacks more likely to live in close quarter inner city/ project housing but poor whites more likely to live in trailer parks urban areas with a little more room between front doors

That's also a matter of culture...so much so that "trailer trash" is stereotypical of lower-class white culture.

Ana the Ist · Mar 8, 2023

Pommer said:
Link to the actual DOJ Report.

Launched in 2021....ty to Merrick "let's investigate those parents" Garland and the corrupt DOJ.

My favorite part is where they complain civil rights violations for using force on people not immediately compliant.

Hey....remember that raid on Mar-A-Largo? Remember that use of force on someone who wasn't immediately compliant?

Lol what a bunch of clowns.

Pommer · Mar 9, 2023

essentialsaltes said:
Justice Department finds Louisville police department uses "aggressive style," especially against Black people
From CNN's Hannah Rabinowitz

The Justice Department issued a scathing report on the Louisville Police Department after a nearly two-year review launched in the wake of the botched raid that killed Breonna Taylor.

Garland said that the Louisville Police Department "relied heavily on pretextual traffic stops in Black neighborhoods."

"In these stops, officers use the pretense for making a stop for minor traffic offense in order to investigate for other crimes," he continued.

Garland documented aggressive behavior and racial epithets used by police toward residents.

"Failures of leadership and accountability have allowed unlawful conduct to continue unchecked," the Justice Department said. "Even when city and police leaders announced solutions, they failed to follow through. In LMPD, officer misconduct too often goes unnoticed and unaddressed. At times, LMPD leaders have endorsed and defended unlawful conduct."

As a result of the misconduct, the police department has paid more than $40 million to resolve claims of police misconduct over the past six years, according to the report.

This deserves its own thread.

BNR32FAN · Mar 9, 2023

IWalkAlone said:
If so, how does it exist?

How can you be certain that racism is the reason why the probation officers are reluctant to use your company?

essentialsaltes · Mar 9, 2023

Pommer said:
This deserves its own thread.

Be my guest.

DaisyDay · Mar 14, 2023

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