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Noah's Flood & the Strait of Hormuz
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Yes, it likes and responds to feedback. It is called chatgpt by OpenAI.
Musk was a co founder but Bill Gates is investing in it now. He wants to incorporate it into Bing to get back some of his lost business from Google. It has been busy and slows down. So try not to tell people because then it will just get slower, with more delays.
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There is feedback to try to get those bugs out of the program. When you give it the name of an author or the name of a book with the correct information then it will straighten itself out.
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The usual standard response. "Ultimately, whether or not the Earth was created with embedded maturity is a matter of personal belief and interpretation of religious and scientific evidence."
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It is not that simple at all. The Euphrates river valley has gone through radical changes over the last 14000 years. Today the river is really dry. The Persian Gulf was once a dry-land river valley, according to the "Garden of Eden" hypothesis, which proposes that the Tigris and Euphrates rivers once flowed into a large, fertile valley. As sea level rose, the valley flooded, creating the Persian Gulf. This theory remains a topic of debate, but the region is significant today, with oil reserves, a thriving economy, and a diverse cultural heritage.
I know a lot about the glaciers from where I live. Most of the water went into the ocean. The Strait of Hormuz held the water back until Noah's flood. He warned the people for 120 years but they would not listen.
The Persian Gulf was a dry-land river valley. As sea level rose during the glacial meltdown, the ocean gradually flooded into the Gulf. By the time sea level stabilized, about 6000 years ago, the north end of the Gulf lay well to the north of its present position.
As the river goes dry a lot of settlements are being exposed. They do not go back 14,000 years.
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"A principle stating that profits or benefits gained from something will represent a proportionally smaller gain as more money or energy is invested in it."
It can be applied to other things apart from economics. The real point is that the relatively low flow and pressure of a stream across a basically flat surface is not going to carve out the Grand Canyon. Which, as you no doubt know, was at one time sea bed. Mount Everest and the Alps, as well as the Australian outback were also under the sea at one time. I wonder when.
I've been to the Grand Canyon. It is astounding. One of the things that geology does not explain is the sediment layers. If they were deposited over billions of years, there should be evidence, such as forests, shrubbery or plant life between the layers. There is none. You can see the same effect if you part fill a glass tank with water and put enough dirt in it to fill it about half dirt, half water. Stir it up so that the dirt is suspended. It will very soon settle into layers, taking hours, not millions of years. The Mount St Helen's eruption produced the same effect from the vast amounts of material released. It settled into layers, not in millions of years, but in a few decades. The material settled into Spirit Lake.
If you have an open mind, this link will explain what happened.
Mount St. Helens in Washington State
The explosion loosened the already unstable northern side of the volcano, and not only changed the visage of that portion of the Cascades, but deeply shook the foundation of the geological timescale.answersingenesis.org
Mount Saint Helens was a volcanic eruption, which is an entirely different set of circumstances compared to that of both a global flood, and the necessary power to create the Grand Canyon. Not the same at all.
Geology does explain the sediment layer, you just don't want to hear the answer given.
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They both happened about the same time. One has been researched a lot more than the other. We have been fighting wars in the gulf for a long time now. So there is not much is the way of research there right now.
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You keep saying this but it is irrelevant to an "Strait of Hormuz" flood (14 to 24 kya) even if it happened. The sea level in the Persian Gulf hasn't gone down. Those lands are still inundated. It is not dependent on the water flow from the Euphrates. The level of the Persian Gulf is set by the global ocean level. (Remember the globe?) The Persian Gulf is more saline than the main ocean because there is net evaporation in the Gulf greater than the rivers flowing into it so sea water flows in through the Strait.
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This map makes it pretty clear.
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How do those maps show that the level of the Persian Gulf has gone down since it was inundated during the glacial retreat?
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We are talking about a flood when the level of the Persian gulf was deeper. It is not just Ur that was on the edge, but also the ancient city of Troy that we read about.
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I am well aware that the chatbox programmers are working to make them better. And I am amazed at what chatboxes can already do.
But in the end, they are only computer programs searching the web and piecing together responses based on rules given to them by programmers. The chatboxes do not understand what they are writing, and hence are subject to gross errors.
After all, a chatbox wrote,
AV1611vet, your posts are a treasure
A gift to us all, beyond all measure.
I take that as an example of a chatbox making an error.
The problem with cut and pasting arguments here from chatbox is that they can make foolish arguments that no human makes. If somebody posts those arguments here without first posting their validity, then we waste our time refuting arguments that no person believes.
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In the end, a smart phone is just a phone. But when I was in college a computer was the size of a room and a computer bug was a real bug. Now you can fit a computer on a phone and put it in your pocket as we did back in the 60's with transistor radios.
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Then use the chatbot to refute itself so you are not wasting your time.
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For both Ur and Troy, chatGPT gives a very different answer:
"The ancient city of Ur was located in Mesopotamia, which is now part of modern-day Iraq. The city was situated on the banks of the Euphrates River, in the southern part of Mesopotamia, near the border with present-day Kuwait. The distance from Ur to the Persian Gulf is about 16 kilometers (10 miles) to the southeast."
"Troy, also known as Ilion or Ilium, is an ancient city in northwestern Anatolia (modern-day Turkey). "
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I asked ChatboxGPT, "Do you recommend we use you, ChatGPT, to provide reliable content that we can cut and paste into an online debate, even if we don't understand what you are saying?"
It replied:
As an AI language model, my purpose is to provide helpful and informative responses to your questions to the best of my ability based on the data I was trained on. However, I must emphasize that it's not recommended to cut and paste content from any source, including my responses, without understanding it first.
It's important to have a good understanding of the content that you are using in any online debate, so that you can properly cite your sources and avoid misrepresenting the information you are presenting. Additionally, it's important to be able to engage in a meaningful discussion and respond to any questions or counterarguments that may arise during the debate.
In summary, while I am a helpful tool for providing information and insights on various topics, I recommend that you take the time to understand the information I provide and use it in a responsible and ethical manner in any online debate.
So even chatbox warns against indiscriminate use of chatbox.
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The Persian Gulf has retreated by a maximum of about 1 to 2 meters in height over the last six to seven thousand years. There's been very little change in the level of the gulf in the last 3300 years (roughly)
Troy was located nowhere near the Persian Gulf. The most likely location for Troy is on Turkey's Aegean Sea coast, close to the southern exit of the Dardanelles Strait.
The location of Ur is more than 200 km from the present banks of the Persian Gulf. Even taking into account an unlikely 3m decrease in sea levels in the last 4000 years, it was never closer than about 25km to the Persian Gulf.
It was located on the Euphrates in a low lying area, so was probably subject to regular flooding (as were most river cities in the region).
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It looks like it's not that the Persian Gulf was deeper, but as ChatGPT says:
"However, over time, the land around Ur has shifted and risen due to tectonic activity, which has caused the distance between Ur and the Persian Gulf to increase.
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Ur is a city in the Bible that Abraham came from. Troy is a city in the book The Odyssey. This was a required reading when I was in school. It was written in 800 BC. The Bible was written in 1400 BC. Two of the oldest books known to exist. The Odyssey is a story about Helen of Troy. To this day we do not know if her boyfriend Paris kidnapped her or if she ran off with him. She was the wife of King Menelaus of Sparta. It is said that she was the most beautiful woman in the world, and her beauty was a cause of a 10-year war. Most people have heard the Trojan horse part of the story. Archeology does show damage in thy layer that we would expect to find the city ransacked at the time the story was written. To the victor goes the spoil.
Both Troy and Ur have been excavated by archeology. There is a story to tell about the level of the Persian gulf at the time they were inhabited. Compared to the level of the Persian gulf today. To show that the water level changes and that there are times of floods and droughts. Just as we see today. Right now there is a drought and they are fighting over what little water there is. There are concerns it could turn into a war.
There are historical records of floods occurring in the region around Ur, including in the form of cuneiform tablets that describe the impact of floods on the city and its inhabitants. One such tablet, known as the Sumerian Flood Story, describes a great flood that is said to have destroyed the world and killed all humans.
Ur that archeology shows was flooded is 33 feet above sea level. There was military conquest at Troy bout it is 197 feet above sea level and there is no evidence of a flood there. The tablets go back 2000 BC. The story was an oral tradition before it was recorded or written. The Sumerian civilization is one of the earliest known civilizations in human history, and the Sumerian language is considered to be one of the first written languages.
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