Christian who left gay lifestyle and came to faith arrested for "Conversion therapy" for testifying about his conversion.

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the law he is being charged with violating includes: " all persons have a sexual orientation, a gender identity and a gender expression, and that no particular combination of these three characteristics constitutes a disorder, disease, illness, deficiency, disability and, or shortcoming" No one cares about his "testimony" the charge stems from his multiple claims in that interview that LGBT individuals are diseased.

Then we, as Christians, have to call the acts of engaging in LGBT... sexual practices for what they are - a sin and an abomination. Governments have no authority over Church definitions of sinful and abominable acts. And I'm sure the governments of certain nations want it that way. We as Christians have tried to convince governments that the LGBT... people' sexual desires are against natural law (which they are but governments and doctors are not accepting that fact) so we'll have to call it for what they are (sexual desires), sin.

Of course, now Christians have to make sin relevant again to people in society. And that's where Christians will proclaim God's Word loud and proud.
There is a link to his official charge in the OP...
Keep up the good work! You always put forth great discussion topics.
 
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Then we, as Christians, have to call the acts of engaging in LGBT... sexual practices for what they are - a sin and an abomination.

Are doing the same for all the other abominations?
Church BINGO,
Incense
Remarriage after divorce
poly cotton blend shirts
Gossip
Christmas trees
Allowing anyone using a crutch, cane, walker or wheelchair into your church

No?

Well i guess it isn't about being an abomination at all
 
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Are doing the same for all the other abominations?
Church BINGO,
Incense
Remarriage after divorce
poly cotton blend shirts
Gossip
Christmas trees
Allowing anyone using a crutch, cane, walker or wheelchair into your church

No?

Well i guess it isn't about being an abomination at all
Seems you follow the more ultra liberal interpretation of the Bible (which has been proven wrong time and time again). Here, this should help you understand sin better:

 
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Seems you follow the more ultra liberal interpretation of the Bible (which has been proven wrong time and time again). Here, this should help you understand sin better:

Every thing I listed is an abomination. Yet you aren't railing against any of them.
 
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Every thing I listed is an abomination. Yet you aren't railing against any of them.
Seems like you didn't read the article very well.

Jesus came to atone for our sins, not abolish all moral prohibitions so that we wouldn’t have any idea what sin is. He tells that he didn’t come to abrogate the law but to fulfill it (Matt. 5:17-18). In fulfilling it, though, he made the Old Covenant “works of the law,” i.e., primarily the ritual and liturgical commandments that Moses prescribed for Old Covenant life, no longer binding us on in the New Covenant.
Why? Because these laws cannot make a man righteous before God, including because they are performed ‘‘apart from the grace of Christ.’’ St. Paul affirms, “For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law’’ (Romans 3:28). And he adds elsewhere:
We ourselves, who are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners, yet who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the law, because by works of the law shall no one be justified (Gal. 2:15-16).
Yes, in Old Covenant days, violating these laws was sinful, at the very least because doing so was done in disobedience to God and the leaders of his people. In addition, these Old Covenant laws are still “on the books,” as they’re noted in the Old Testament and elsewhere, and Orthodox Jews continue to observe them to the present day, excluding those that involve the Temple in Jerusalem, which was destroyed in A.D. 70.

This is why Christianity is so messed up; too many Christians are interpreting the Bible wrong.
 
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"Conversion therapy" is pseudoscience, right there below "flat Earth". There is widespread scientific consensus it is harmful. The Catholic Church officially condemns it. Malta is an historically Catholic country, and its laws reflect that. Ergo, there's nothing strange about its laws, they are in line with the Catholic Church's teachings, and the findings of modern science.
 
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Are doing the same for all the other abominations?
Church BINGO,
Incense
Remarriage after divorce
poly cotton blend shirts
Gossip
Christmas trees
Allowing anyone using a crutch, cane, walker or wheelchair into your church

No?

Well i guess it isn't about being an abomination at all
Hello Bear. Some of the things on your list are indeed wrong. But one wrong does not excuse another. Just because a 'Christian' is a gossip does not make it acceptable for someone else to commit homosexual acts. God Bless :)
 
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It is getting worse...

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The Malta Law is impossible to implement. For example the law states that "all persons have a sexual orientation, a gender identity and a gender expression, and that no particular combination of these three characteristics constitutes a disorder, disease, illness, deficiency, disability and, or shortcoming"

Without casting any dispersions there is a high incident of psychological and physical problems associated with gender and sex. Transgender and gender non-conforming people often have gender dysphoria and other psychological problems that need therapy and treatment. Intersex people have a high % of conditions which under any other area of medicine would be considered an illness or disorder.

So where do you draw the line when giving therapy to someone who has issues with their gender or sex. Are doctors not even able to use medical language to describe these conditions. This will cause professionals to shy away from therapy and deny proper treatment.
 
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Gender dysphoria is not the same as gender identity. Physicians and therapists can still treat gender dysphoria, nothing in this law prohibits that.
 
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Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.

So it's a man believing he's really a woman (as one example) but having a feeling of unease over it.

And I suppose the treatment is getting the man to accept that he really is a woman. Otherwise they'd be guilty of conversion therapy, which has been condemned as nazi-like barbarism.
 
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Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.

So it's a man believing he's really a woman (as one example) but having a feeling of unease over it.

And I suppose the treatment is getting the man to accept that he really is a woman. Otherwise they'd be guilty of conversion therapy, which has been condemned as nazi-like barbarism.

The law would allow a person to explore their feelings about gender with a therapist. "Conversion therapy" has a definite meaning, it's trying to change a person's gender identity.

No ethical therapist is going to insist that somebody that shows up with mere unease or concern about their gender or sex, is in fact transgender. That's imposing your own ideology upon a client, which is unethical.
 
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The law would allow a person to explore their feelings about gender with a therapist. "Conversion therapy" has a definite meaning, it's trying to change a person's gender identity.

No ethical therapist is going to insist that somebody that shows up with mere unease or concern about their gender or sex, is in fact transgender. That's imposing your own ideology upon a client, which is unethical.
That depends on viewing it as ideolog,y or viewing it as the natural order of nature.

If humans are viewed as mamals, then there's nothing natural about it. Mamals are male and female, and the male and female copulate to produce offspring. That's the natural order.

With the possible exception of an anomaly, there isn't homosexuality or transgenderism or gender identity etc among virtually all other mamals.

So really male and female joining together is the natural order of nature, and LGBTQQIP2SAA+ is the construct of ideology.
 
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