Jack Phillips of Masterpiece Cakeshop Refuses to Bake a Birthday Cake for Transgendered Person

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Check your history, in their time slavery, racism and segregation were all defended biblically and the issues were seen as moral issues.
He doesn't want to discriminate other people, he sells cakes, but doesn't want to make on specially for that, i understand that, is violating his conscience, why not leaving him alone instead of suing him. Also you can't defend racism with the bible.
 
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Also you can't defend racism with the bible.
History shows otherwise. When the schools were integrated, most of the segregation academies that were formed to exclude blacks were Christian private schools.

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The law in Colorado says you can't discriminate against certain classes of people.
Okay. Not sure what that has to do with what I’ve said in this thread, though.
 
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Please explain. I’ll wait.
The assertion seems to be that there should be no laws which violate any potential business owner's conscience, but given the varied opinions about what is right and wrong, that would literally force all laws to be repealed. And in that case, a "They should operate within the law" claim makes no sense given there'd be literally no law to operate within.

The most likely conclusion - the random rationalizations thrown about for why it is OK for this guy to disciminate against the wrong types of minorities ended up contradicting each other.
 
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He doesn't want to discriminate
He is discriminating
other people, he sells cakes, but doesn't want to make on specially for that,
He makes wedding cakes and they are all special. He chooses to not make them for one minority and that is discrimination just like if he was refusing to make a wedding cake for black people or people in wheelchairs or Buddhists or anyone else.


i understand that, is violating his conscience, why not leaving him alone instead of suing him.
And the KKK just wants to practice their religious views and engage in free speech and burn crosses in black people's yards. Why are those poor men and women of the KK so unjustly persecuted?
Also you can't defend racism with the bible.
there several centuries worth of biblical defense saying you are wrong.
 
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The assertion seems to be that there should be no laws which violate any potential business owner's conscience, but given the varied opinions about what is right and wrong, that would literally force all laws to be repealed. And in that case, a "They should operate within the law" claim makes no sense given there'd be literally no law to operate within.

The most likely conclusion - the random rationalizations thrown about for why it is OK for this guy to disciminate against the wrong types of minorities ended up contradicting each other.
I’m not against all laws. Some laws are necessary to protect the safety and welfare of other. But if a black-owned business doesn’t want to sell items to white folks, they should be able to make that choice.
 
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Seems pretty obvious what the response has to do with what was previously posted.
Only if you make incorrect assumptions. Which, judging by your response, you have.
 
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History shows otherwise. When the schools were integrated, most of the segregation academies that were formed to exclude blacks were Christian private schools.

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They forgot the part where the 2nd most important commandment is love you neighbour as yourself, and the golden rule. Don't do to other what you wouldn't like others to do to you.

In this case the guy doesn't want to violate his conscience, and the other trans person don't want to be rejected, so why not come to stalemate and be in peace, but no.
 
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He is discriminating

He makes wedding cakes and they are all special. He chooses to not make them for one minority and that is discrimination just like if he was refusing to make a wedding cake for black people or people in wheelchairs or Buddhists or anyone else.



And the KKK just wants to practice their religious views and engage in free speech and burn crosses in black people's yards. Why are those poor men and women of the KK so unjustly persecuted?

there several centuries worth of biblical defense saying you are wrong.

You also condemn the football player that didn't want to wear a lgbt jersey?
This is the same.
 
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You also condemn the football player that didn't want to wear a lgbt jersey?
This is the same.
The hockey player is 1.) not a football player, who 2.) isn't refusing service to customers while 3.) running a business that is 4.) classified as a public accommodation.

So, no, it's not the same.
 
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The hockey player is 1.) not a football player, who 2.) isn't refusing service to customers while 3.) running a business that is 4.) classified as a public accommodation.

So, no, it's not the same.

Its similar, the baker sells cakes to anybody can buy, he just doesn't want to participate in celebrating something that violates his conscience.
 
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Sure, I will. But he didn't break any laws.


Nope.

You condemn, why? its like: support our beliefs, and put aside yours first? and if your beliefs are against ours and don't want to support us, you are a bigot hater who don't deserve keeping your job.
 
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Bigots aren't a protected class. They also stink.
So if you don't follow my ideology you are a "bigot" that the way it is now, and... please you are fired thanks too. This is balloney if you don't see it.
 
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So if you don't follow my ideology you are a "bigot" that the way it is now,
No, being a bigot is the same as it always has been: "one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

It has nothing to do with not following 'my ideology'.
 
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No, being a bigot is the same as it always has been: "one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

It has nothing to do with not following 'my ideology'.
Except there already cases of people losing jobs just because not supporting for some reason or just stating what they believe, without attacking anyone verbally or physically.

Basically here you say anyone christian is a bigot because they believe lgbt stuff to be sin.
 
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Except there already cases of people losing jobs just because not supporting for some reason or just stating what they believe, without attacking anyone verbally or physically.

Basically here you say anyone christian is a bigot because they believe lgbt stuff to be sin.
Christians get a whole entire Eternity without LGBT(etc) folk.
Hint: you don’t get that to start early.
 
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