Why the different reactions?

RDKirk · Jan 30, 2023

Hank77 said:
According to Jim Jordon yesterday on Meet the Press, no amount of training or new laws can fix this kind of evil.

What was his solution?

Hank77 · Jan 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
What was his solution?

He didn't have one. Todd mentioned the two bills that were in Congress, The George Floyd Act and a Republican one, and suggested that one thing is to outlaw chokeholds and Jordon just said a chokehold wasn't used here. Todd suggested a federal database of cops who have been decertified in a state for bad behavior so other states wouldn't hire them. Jordon said he rather see states do themselves because the feds always screw things up. What? This would be an interstate database used by all states... He didn't have anything to offer.
This is the video of Meet the Press.

There is a partial video of the young man's beating by the cops.

Aryeh Jay · Jan 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
That's something I've noticed different from the miltary. In the military, when you have a screw-up, the military takes definite steps to train people not to screw up that way again. The Air Force will ground all planes until the training is completed. In the Navy, they will even halt every ship at sea dead in the water all at once to have them give such training to all sailors, and the ship isn't allowed to get back underway until the captain verifies that every sailor has gotten the new training.

Police forces in the US seem never to acknowledge a training issue. They will always chalk an error up to the particular circumstances of that situation and never look at how a change in training could avoid similar incidents in the future.

True. The difference is that the Military is for the most part under a united leadership, The Secretary of Defense. When something happens in one branch, the have the stand down and try to get to the bottom. In regards to extremism, the whole DOD as well as Coast Guard under DHS had their stand down. The issue with the police is there are departments that have from 1-2 officers to tens of thousands like NYPD and everything in between and no authority to have them all take time to address the issue, and with some, no desire to address the issue.

Fun fact, NYPD is larger than the Coast Guard, that blew my mind the first time I heard that.

variant · Jan 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
What was his solution?

Well, for a start, to elect someone other than Jim Jordan, who actually wants to do the job.

I'm sick of people who want power and responsibility who throw up their hands and declare that there is nothing that can be done every time a problem comes up.

Landon Caeli · Jan 30, 2023

Hank77 said:
According to Jim Jordon yesterday on Meet the Press, no amount of training or new laws can fix this kind of evil.

A complete overhaul then. Rethink the entire system.

DaisyDay · Jan 30, 2023

MMXX said:
The advice I gave is similar to the the advice given for surviving a bear attack.

"If a grizzly/brown bear charges and attacks you, PLAY DEAD. Do not fight back! Cover your head and neck with your hands and arms. Lay flat on your stomach, and spread your legs apart."

Bear Attacks (U.S. National Park Service)

If it's black, fight back.
If it's brown, lie down.
If it's white, good night.

DaisyDay · Jan 30, 2023

MMXX said:
Also probably since none of the cops directly involved were white it makes a difference, compared to the usual white cops kill black man.

What's different is that they were fired right away instead of being placed on paid leave pending investigation.

RDKirk · Jan 30, 2023

DaisyDay said:
If it's black, fight back.
If it's brown, lie down.
If it's white, good night.

Wait, are you talking about bears?

DaisyDay · Jan 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
Wait, are you talking about bears?

Totally, yes. Polar bears will eat you, but we're slowly eliminating them.

Landon Caeli · Jan 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
Wait, are you talking about bears?

I was wondering too, until I started pondering on the "lie down" part. Lol.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 31, 2023

"Why the different reactions?"

Well, for one thing, people weren't as on-edge from being cooped up (among the other issues people may have been facing) due to the covid restrictions like they were when the George Floyd incident happened.

If a large number of people have been forcibly locked up in their house for months (and many have lost their jobs due to forced business closures), you're going to have a larger number of people who are a little more "high strung" and it's not going to take as much to get people to start lighting things on fire in the streets.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 31, 2023

comana said:
I don’t think surviving any encounter with police should need to be compared to surviving a bear attack.

And you typically don't get in trouble for defending yourself against a bear.

If I get rushed by a bear intent on doing me harm while I'm hiking, and I use force up to and including shooting it to defend myself, I'm unlikely to face any charges. I think it's safe to say the same outcome doesn't apply when dealing with cops who are threatening you or abusing power.

RDKirk · Jan 31, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
And you typically don't get in trouble for defending yourself against a bear.

If I get rushed by a bear intent on doing me harm while I'm hiking, and I use force up to and including shooting it to defend myself, I'm unlikely to face any charges. I think it's safe to say the same outcome doesn't apply when dealing with cops who are threatening you or abusing power.

Well, I learned serving on the jury for a man accused of beating up a cop that there is such a thing as lawful self-defense against unnecessary police violence.

But good luck proving it, provided you even survive your attempt at self defense.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 31, 2023

RDKirk said:
But good luck proving it, provided you even survive your attempt at self defense.

That's an excellent point...bears don't have walkie talkies they can use to call in other bears to help them if they start losing the fight.

perpendicular_bisector · Jan 31, 2023

hislegacy said:
The question asked is why?

In your second example all the participants were black.

Why the different reactions?

Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner

Well-Known Member

Gone and hopefully forgotten.

Happy Cat

God is perfect - Nothing is an accident

I Did Nothing Wrong!! ~~Team Deep State

I Did Nothing Wrong!! ~~Team Deep State

Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner

I Did Nothing Wrong!! ~~Team Deep State

God is perfect - Nothing is an accident

Part of the IT crowd

"Why the different reactions?"​

Part of the IT crowd

Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner

Part of the IT crowd

Active Member

Similar threads

"Why the different reactions?"