This is what politicizing the DOJ actually looks like

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Bill Barr declares without evidence that the DOJ Russia investigation likely stemmed from a conspiracy by intelligence or law enforcement agencies.
From that without evidence or merit, given that hunch Barr secretly appoints a Special council, Bill Durham. That secrecy is patently odd.
Barr and Durham travel to Europe looking for trumped up evidence that led to the Russian investigation.
John Durham used Russian intelligence memos — suspected by other U.S. officials of containing disinformation — to gain access to emails of an aide to George Soros, who has nothing to do with the investigation.
Durham is shot down twice in court to obtain Soro's emails because of the lack of merit and gets them by grand jury, which leads to again nothing.
Instead what they find in Europe is evidence of Donald Trump financial crimes warranted enough to spur an investigation of him. (that was the news the right went giddy over thinking they found some rouge FBI agents )
Barr, rather than as normal partitioning that investigation off, oddly assigns that investigation of Trump to Durham, and nothing else is said or announced.
The Inspector General comes out with his report showing no evidence of a DOJ conspiracy against Trump.
Durham meets with said IG privately before the IG's report is out, asks the IG to drop his finding that the diplomat’s tip had been sufficient for the F.B.I. to open its “full” counterintelligence investigation, arguing that it was enough at most for a “preliminary” inquiry. The IG refuses.
Barr runs out to do a press conference to counteract the IG's findings in announcing again with evidence the investigation on Trump was on the thinnest evidence.
Just like he ran out to do before the Mueller report.
After time it is apparent the investigation of the investigators is going no where, but Barr constantly runs to FOXnews and continues to make unsubstantiated claims of a rotten FBI.
Prior to the 2020 election Barr presses Durham to make a "interim statement' of the investigation rather than the one final, to which members of Durhams investigative team quit in protest.
The end result of Durhams 4 year 6.5 million dollar investigation of the investigators is nothing. No one found guilty of any crimes and those he did bring charges to were acquitted in manner of hours flat.

So far all those GOPers who ran on inflation and crime, and beelined to investigate the investigators for now what would be a third time, this is what politicizing the Justice Department looks like. Well, that and the attempted coup meetings in which the GOPers potentially doing this investigation were part of the coup.

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Barr and Durham travel to Europe looking for trumped up evidence that led to the Russian investigation.
When they went to Italy to get the Italians to tell them what they knew about the investigation of Trump the Italians told them they didn't know anything about that but that they had information about Trump's questionable financial activities.
They made more than one trip to Europe trying to prove illegal and nefarious behavior by the FBI, etc.
 
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When they went to Italy to get the Italians to tell them what they knew about the investigation of Trump the Italians told them they didn't know anything about that but that they had information about Trump's questionable financial activities.
They made more than one trip to Europe trying to prove illegal and nefarious behavior by the FBI, etc.
Given what was actually a "witch hunt" to investigate the investigators, AG Garland will have questions for John Durham. What kind of Special Counsel works hand and hand with the AG meeting weekly and sharing scotch together. When ever Barr had the opportunity to muddy the waters at the benefit of his boss, he did just that.
 
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"Interviews by The Times with more than a dozen current and former officials"

" based on a tip from Italian officials",

"suspected by other U.S. officials"

"The current and former officials who discussed the investigation all spoke on the condition of anonymity"

it is disappointing that considering all of the misinformation and outright lies that this rag has published that they still find people who are unable to apply critical thinking and filter out rumor based on some phantom sources that only provide unverifiable information on the condition that they are given anonymity from the facts. The media has been given the license to pass off any fiction that they can invent because people are gullible.
 
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From the linked article:

Robert Luskin, a criminal defense lawyer and former Justice Department prosecutor who represented two witnesses Mr. Durham interviewed, said that he had a hard time squaring Mr. Durham’s prior reputation as an independent-minded straight shooter with his end-of-career conduct as Mr. Barr’s special counsel.

“This stuff has my head spinning,” Mr. Luskin said. “When did these guys drink the Kool-Aid, and who served it to them?”
 
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"Interviews by The Times with more than a dozen current and former officials"

" based on a tip from Italian officials",

"suspected by other U.S. officials"

"The current and former officials who discussed the investigation all spoke on the condition of anonymity"

it is disappointing that considering all of the misinformation and outright lies that this rag has published that they still find people who are unable to apply critical thinking and filter out rumor based on some phantom sources that only provide unverifiable information on the condition that they are given anonymity from the facts. The media has been given the license to pass off any fiction that they can invent because people are gullible.
You mean like the "misinformation" and "rumor" that Barr used to appoint Durham as Special counsel? Come Trump, Barr, and now Durham, the NYT has been spot on. Now, I will bet you one public apology that in fact Durham's final report will include the investigation of more Trump financial crimes you seem to doubt given your quotes. Is your claim about NYT that concrete?
 
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Bill Barr declares without evidence that the DOJ Russia investigation likely stemmed from a conspiracy by intelligence or law enforcement agencies.
From that without evidence or merit, given that hunch Barr secretly appoints a Special council, Bill Durham.

If Bill Barr had the evidence then there would be no need for an investigation, now would there?

"Our federal government paid for Russian disinformation to frame the president of the United States for colluding with Russia." Source: FBI Paid For Russian Disinfo To Frame Trump—And 7 More Details

Given what everybody knew, except you, the federal government was up to shenanigans. Clearly that included the FBI.

WASHINGTON – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today released a newly declassified FBI document that indicates the Bureau misled the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2018 about the Steele dossier’s Primary Sub-source and, therefore, the reliability of the Steele dossier.

“This document clearly shows that the FBI was continuing to mislead regarding the reliability of the Steele dossier. The FBI did to the Senate Intelligence Committee what the Department of Justice and FBI had previously done to the FISA Court: mischaracterize, mislead and lie. The characterizations regarding the dossier were completely out of touch with reality in terms of what the Russian sub-source actually said to the FBI.

“What does this mean? That Congress as well as the FISA Court was lied to about the reliability of the Russian sub-source. I will be asking FBI Director Wray to provide me all the details possible about how the briefing was arranged and who provided it.

Source: Newly Declassified Document Indicates FBI Misled Congress on Reliability of Steele Dossier | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

Why did the DOJ and FBI need to mischaracterize, mislead and lie to the FISA court (and Congress) about the Steele dossier?

But some kind of an investigation into this was totally without merit.
 
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If Bill Barr had the evidence then there would be no need for an investigation, now would there?

Given what everybody knew, except you, the federal government was up to shenanigans. Clearly that included the FBI.

Why did the DOJ and FBI need to mischaracterize, mislead and lie to the FISA court (and Congress) about the Steele dossier?

But some kind of an investigation into this was totally without merit.

Despite the promises, which sound much like what you're spouting, Durham only found one shenanigan in the FBI.
 
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You mean like the "misinformation" and "rumor" that Barr used to appoint Durham as Special counsel? Come Trump, Barr, and now Durham, the NYT has been spot on. Now, I will bet you one public apology that in fact Durham's final report will include the investigation of more Trump financial crimes you seem to doubt given your quotes. Is your claim about NYT that concrete?
I mean like the Russia, Russia lies that the NYT finally got around to retracting long after the damage was done or the Russian disinformation cover story they published to cover Hunter Biden, just for a couple of examples.
 
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"Interviews by The Times with more than a dozen current and former officials"

" based on a tip from Italian officials",

"suspected by other U.S. officials"

"The current and former officials who discussed the investigation all spoke on the condition of anonymity"

it is disappointing that considering all of the misinformation and outright lies that this rag has published that they still find people who are unable to apply critical thinking and filter out rumor based on some phantom sources that only provide unverifiable information on the condition that they are given anonymity from the facts. The media has been given the license to pass off any fiction that they can invent because people are gullible.
Your most recent thread was based on nothing more than assumptions that turned out to be false once somebody went and did some actual journalism. The problems with those assumptions were so obvious to me that I called them out as soon as I saw them, before I was aware that the claims had been retracted.

But go ahead and continue telling us that we're the ones who lack critical thinking skills and the ability to filter out rumor and unverifiable information.
 
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I mean like the Russia, Russia lies that the NYT finally got around to retracting long after the damage was done or the Russian disinformation cover story they published to cover Hunter Biden, just for a couple of examples.
Err....Russia was sowing disinformation. Russia was also directly helping the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign sought and made use of that help. Several in the Trump orbit were sent to jail or sentenced for lying to the FBI about their Russian interactions. Not sure what Hunter info your refer to.
 
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Despite the promises, which sound much like what you're spouting, Durham only found one shenanigan in the FBI.
To be honest about, the IG doing the same kind of investigation found that shenanigan earlier.
It's just the IG has no power to prosecute.
So based on a investigation that cost 6.5 million premised on a Bill Barr hunch, and not evidence, Durham really hasn't found squat.
 
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"Interviews by The Times with more than a dozen current and former officials"

" based on a tip from Italian officials",

"suspected by other U.S. officials"

"The current and former officials who discussed the investigation all spoke on the condition of anonymity"

it is disappointing that considering all of the misinformation and outright lies that this rag has published that they still find people who are unable to apply critical thinking and filter out rumor based on some phantom sources that only provide unverifiable information on the condition that they are given anonymity from the facts. The media has been given the license to pass off any fiction that they can invent because people are gullible.
Here's is Barr snippet response regarding that tip from Italian officials:

"The New York Times' reporting also found that Barr and Durham never disclosed that the inquiry had expanded in 2019, based on a tip from Italian officials, to include a criminal investigation into suspicious financial dealings related to Trump. Several news outlets including the New York Times reported at the time that the probe had come to include a criminal investigation, which seemed to indicate that Durham had instead found evidence to support Trump’s accusations of wrongdoing by federal law enforcement.
The specifics of the tip are unclear, and Durham did not bring charges over it. Barr said Wednesday that the tip "was not directly about Trump" and that it was appropriate to fold into Durham's inquiry because "it did have a relationship to the Russiagate stuff. It was not completely separate from it. And it turned out to be a complete non-issue."​

In other words "based on a tip from Italian officials" there was a separate investigation regarding Trump and Barr did assign that to Durham, just like the NYTimes said.
 
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Your most recent thread was based on nothing more than assumptions that turned out to be false once somebody went and did some actual journalism. The problems with those assumptions were so obvious to me that I called them out as soon as I saw them, before I was aware that the claims had been retracted.

But go ahead and continue telling us that we're the ones who lack critical thinking skills and the ability to filter out rumor and unverifiable information.
If someone actually read that article and understood it, it would be obvious that it was simply raising questions not making claims, reading comprehension is important to understanding content.
 
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Here's is Barr snippet response regarding that tip from Italian officials:

"The New York Times' reporting also found that Barr and Durham never disclosed that the inquiry had expanded in 2019, based on a tip from Italian officials, to include a criminal investigation into suspicious financial dealings related to Trump. Several news outlets including the New York Times reported at the time that the probe had come to include a criminal investigation, which seemed to indicate that Durham had instead found evidence to support Trump’s accusations of wrongdoing by federal law enforcement.​
The specifics of the tip are unclear, and Durham did not bring charges over it. Barr said Wednesday that the tip "was not directly about Trump" and that it was appropriate to fold into Durham's inquiry because "it did have a relationship to the Russiagate stuff. It was not completely separate from it. And it turned out to be a complete non-issue."​

In other words "based on a tip from Italian officials" there was a separate investigation regarding Trump and Barr did assign that to Durham, just like the NYTimes said.
And the evidence for the NYT making that statement is Where?
 
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Here's is Barr snippet response regarding that tip from Italian officials:

"The New York Times' reporting also found that Barr and Durham never disclosed that the inquiry had expanded in 2019, based on a tip from Italian officials, to include a criminal investigation into suspicious financial dealings related to Trump. Several news outlets including the New York Times reported at the time that the probe had come to include a criminal investigation, which seemed to indicate that Durham had instead found evidence to support Trump’s accusations of wrongdoing by federal law enforcement.​
The specifics of the tip are unclear, and Durham did not bring charges over it. Barr said Wednesday that the tip "was not directly about Trump" and that it was appropriate to fold into Durham's inquiry because "it did have a relationship to the Russiagate stuff. It was not completely separate from it. And it turned out to be a complete non-issue."​

In other words "based on a tip from Italian officials" there was a separate investigation regarding Trump and Barr did assign that to Durham, just like the NYTimes said.
So if I say based on a tip from an unnamed source that Biden was being investigated for a criminal violation, would someone just accept that as a fact, well never mind it is obvious that someone would.
 
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If someone actually read that article and understood it, it would be obvious that it was simply raising questions not making claims, reading comprehension is important to understanding content.
Baloney. The headline is “Why Was Hunter Paying Joe Biden $50,000 in Monthly Rent for the House Where Classified Documents Were Found?”

If it was so obvious that they were “simply raising questions not making claims,” then perhaps your complaints of poor reading comprehension should be directed at your conservative comrades who misunderstood that piece and believed it to be claiming something that you, apparently, knew it wasn’t.
 
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So if I say based on a tip from an unnamed source that Biden was being investigated for a criminal violation, would someone just accept that as a fact, well never mind it is obvious that someone would.
Depends on who that "someone" is. What we have here is investigative journalism where the subject who opened the investigation confirmed it. That should put doubt to bed.
 
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