Another thing I don't understand about the creationist position...

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What God says he did trumps what it looks like He did.
So, just like AV1611VET, you are advocating for ignoring all the knowledge gathered by astronomy, geology, palaeontology, glaciology, sedimentology, population genetics, seismology, volcanology, comparative anatomy, plate tectonics and so on.

The negation of all these sciences fits perfectly well with what is described in this essay . It is the wild claim that all sciences that one way or another can be interpreted as in contradiction with the creationist reading of the bible are wrong. Any argument is superfluous, of course, just saying no is enough.
But, as is also described in that essay is the total negation of empirical evidence for the argument of authority. We are required to close our eyes, not even to look at the world. Hence we are required to stop to do any science.
It is not the many science listed above that are at stake. It is the very nature of the Scientific Endeavour.
 
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Good.
Then you've no biblical counterclaim
to any statements about the earth being
many millions of years old, and having gone
through many great changes in climate,
land forms and life forms?
What?
 
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OK, I still see no such reference.
No explanation beyond something
like " He spoke".
And what was my point? Please reread, again, what I said in response to the quote.
 
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So, just like AV1611VET, you are advocating for ignoring all the knowledge gathered by astronomy, geology, palaeontology, glaciology, sedimentology, population genetics, seismology, volcanology, comparative anatomy, plate tectonics and so on.

The negation of all these sciences fits perfectly well with what is described in this essay . It is the wild claim that all sciences that one way or another can be interpreted as in contradiction with the creationist reading of the bible are wrong. Any argument is superfluous, of course, just saying no is enough.
But, as is also described in that essay is the total negation of empirical evidence for the argument of authority. We are required to close our eyes, not even to look at the world. Hence we are required to stop to do any science.
It is not the many science listed above that are at stake. It is the very nature of the Scientific Endeavour.
I don’t advocate that at all.
 
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So, just like AV1611VET, you are advocating for ignoring all the knowledge gathered by astronomy, geology, palaeontology, glaciology, sedimentology, population genetics, seismology, volcanology, comparative anatomy, plate tectonics and so on.

You don't "gather knowledge" from astronomy, geology, etc.

You gather data, then record it as software.

Later, this data is run through computers and interpreted according to preconceived ideas, written by men like Darwin, et alii.

There's a different between stars and star records, rocks and geological records, fossils and paleontological records, glaciers and glacial records, sand and sediment records, DNA and DNA records, earthquakes and seismological records, volcanoes and volcanic records, organs and anatomical records, plates and plate tectonics and so on.

One is hardware, the other is software.
 
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Yes you do. (I can answer with unsupported one liners too)
I don’t advocate that. And what I mean by that is that it’s not a position that I advocate. I’m other words I’m not a proponent of that position.
 
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I don’t advocate that at all.

You don't advocate for ignoring all the knowledge gathered by astronomy, geology, palaeontology, glaciology, sedimentology, population genetics, seismology, volcanology, comparative anatomy, plate tectonics and so on?

What are you? proudly narrow minded!?
 
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I have.

And I thought you were leaving for a week?
You did not cut n paste from
from a dictionary a definition
showing that " admit" means
"acknowledge" , no more than you've
admitted I made no reluctant confession.
 
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from a dictionary a definition
showing that " admit" means
"acknowledge" , no more than you've
admitted I made no reluctant confession.
I never said you made a reluctant confession.
 
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And thankfully we have a way to help us determine that truth…God’s word.
From another perspective, God created the Earth. At this point we are in agreement. But the Earth is showing us a very different creating process than what the Genesis story presents. The Earth can not lie, it is after all a creation of God. So when it comes to the Creation story that is coming to light these days, the Earth IS presenting God's word in His own Creation.
 
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From another perspective, God created the Earth. At this point we are in agreement. But the Earth is showing us a very different creating process than what the Genesis story presents. The Earth can not lie, it is after all a creation of God. So when it comes to the Creation story that is coming to light these days, the Earth IS presenting God's word in His own Creation.
Actually, it’s God who cannot lie. Man, however, can misunderstand things, especially in science.
 
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Actually, it’s God who cannot lie. Man, however, can misunderstand things, especially in science.
That's what I'm saying, God can not lie. Neither can His Creation. And science is opening the window into His Creation process. Man can take ancient beliefs to heart and not see the openings we are given into that process. Science is a blessing from God.
 
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That's what I'm saying, God can not lie. Neither can His Creation. And science is opening the window into His Creation process. Man can take ancient beliefs to heart and not see the openings we are given into that process. Science is a blessing from God.
Ancient beliefs like, say, Genesis?
 
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