The Problematic Arrival of Anti-Obesity Drugs

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You know....the Unibomber predicted this.
Pretty sure Vonnegut (or maybe Heinlein) alluded to such as well, but stopped short of (actually) blowing things up.
 
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Totally disagree. Both are food but only one is nourishment.

And as for an earlier comment about the majority of covid patients being obese.. the problem was not so much the weight (unless it had caused other organ problems) but the lack of a healthy immune system compliments of processed foods.
People do not realize how they compromise their immune system by eating too much inflammation causing food.Processed food should be greatly limited. GMO's should be avoided completely. Fresh is best. Certain foods and certain drugs and drinks cause leaky gut and destroy the microbiome located in the gut. That is our immune system. People do not usually take pre- and pro-biotics. But they take antibiotics like candy. Antibiotics do not discriminate . They kill the good bacteria along with the bad bacteria.But doctors do not tell the patients that when they prescribe antibiotics.
 
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He may in an ongoing attempt to keep the pounds off.

I saw his own written or video statements about the intermittent fasting, with no exercise, was what finally worked for him to lose a lot of weight he and his doctor both knew he needed to lose.
what he did after that, was not yet happening or was not made known at that time.
He wrote a book about his change of diet and talks about it extensively on his pod cast, bit hard to call that unknown.
 
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Some military retirees came back from islands in the Pacific with news that they were moving there.
They had been there for a vacation for two or three months, and in that time, eating the street food from venders on the street, the normal food supply there, at least for non-natives,
in that time, in two or three months eating good, they were able to safely and finally get off the drugs doctors in the usa had put them on.
They did not even have to exert any will power , from what they said. It was simple.
So, since they could not keep up the same diet in the usa ,
they decided to move there instead of just vacation there.
Tada, results ? Healthy bodies at least. No, or a lot less, drugs.
This is an article about Okinawa and what they ate in Okinawa that contributed to their longevity:

As the island modernized and the population turned more towards the standard western diet, their life spans shortened. The Japanese are still thinner than Americans and lived longer. Asian Americans are less likely to divorce, healthier and earning a higher median income than other Americans.

I thought the non-violent teachings of Jesus and Buddha may have helped them.
 
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Did you happen to read the book published before wwII about all the proven and effective cures for cancer that licensed ama doctors were using across the usa at the time ?

No? Gee, why not. "bit hard to call that unknown", ?
Unrelated nonsense is unrelated.
 
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Isn't it a shame that most 'from scratch' restaurants these days are only high end.
Many are...but I guess that would depend on what you mean by 'from scratch' restaurants. You'd be hard pressed to find one that didn't use a least some processed ingredients in their foods.

Even the ones that serve "real food" are often times calorically dense (apart from the places that specialize in salads,etc..., and those aren't terribly popular).

From a weight loss perspective, sitting down to a meal of a 20oz grass fed steak cooked in grass fed organic butter, with a side of organic carrots and broccoli (also generously coated in said butter) is still going to be a weight-gainer meal for those who struggle with portion control as that's going to have more calories than a grilled chicken sandwich and small fry from your average fast food restaurant.
 
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If you don't read every book, you don't know.

No one has read every book.

If you ignore good true results, that's even worse.

Yammering on about alleged cover ups and hidden medical knowledge does not give good results.

It is nonsense to ignore good results. And related. Penn and Teller know and broadcast good results..... apparently you listened to some of it.
Yep, and you pretended that what Penn did after his initial potato fast was unknown rather then something that he has spoken and written about extensively.
 
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Refined sugar will make you fat but it has been around for quite a while.
Just an FYI. I keep really close tabs on my caloric intake, and a full 60% of my daily calories come from refined sugar. Oddly enough though, 0% comes from high fructose corn syrup.

My current BMI... 16.5
 
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is still going to be a weight-gainer meal for those who struggle with portion control as that's going to have more calories than a grilled chicken sandwich and small fry from your average fast food restaurant.
Yet the difference is the quality and nutrition.
 
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You twisted words in every sentence, before, and now.
Not a good example of anything except twisted words. False dealing. Not even appearing to want to know anything honest or true.
If you say so.
 
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Did you happen to read the book published before wwII about all the proven and effective cures for cancer that licensed ama doctors were using across the usa at the time ?

Which book are you referring to and which types of cancer were being addressed?

I tend to be skeptical about claims of regarding cancer treatments pre-1960 for many of the same reasons I'm skeptical about claims like the ones made by the Weston Price foundation claiming things like "When Price observed Tribe XYZ living on this specific indigenous diet, he found they didn't suffer from heart disease or cancer like people on western diets"


The biggest reason, most of the cancer detection and monitoring tools weren't even available yet at that time.

CT scans didn't come about until the early 70's, and weren't widely used until 1980.
MRI's didn't start becoming widely available until a few years after that.

They had early versions of x-rays, but those (especially the early iterations they were using) were very limited when it came to cancer detection and monitoring.

Prior to 1970, doctors were mostly flying blind with regards to cancer treatment in terms of knowing if what they were doing was working or not.
 
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Which book are you referring to and which types of cancer were being addressed?

I tend to be skeptical about claims of regarding cancer treatments pre-1960 for many of the same reasons I'm skeptical about claims like the ones made by the Weston Price foundation claiming things like "When Price observed Tribe XYZ living on this specific indigenous diet, he found they didn't suffer from heart disease or cancer like people on western diets"


The biggest reason, most of the cancer detection and monitoring tools weren't even available yet at that time.

CT scans didn't come about until the early 70's, and weren't widely used until 1980.
MRI's didn't start becoming widely available until a few years after that.

They had early versions of x-rays, but those (especially the early iterations they were using) were very limited when it came to cancer detection and monitoring.

Prior to 1970, doctors were mostly flying blind with regards to cancer treatment in terms of knowing if what they were doing was working or not.
After a Chinese Communist ruler got cancer he commissioned a large cancer study. The study showing Chinese rural peasants were less likely to die of cancer. Researchers assumed it was because they ate less meat, more grain, beans and vegetables. I found that in spite of this, urban dwellers were living longer than rural peasants. I supposed rural peasants did not have as much access to medical specialists. They lacked retirement funds. Maybe they were more likely to suffer malnutrition.
 
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I think that "willpower" is overrated. The best way to get rid of a bad habit like snacking is to remove the ability to easily do that habit. The best way to lose weight is not to have unhealthy food lying around.

Also, I switched from normal sodas to diet sodas at the end of my 20s, and it helped me maintain my weight and then lose some instead of gaining weight. Didn't change any other part of my habits. So I think that diet sodas making you fat is an untruth.

Yes, that the strategy may wife (who has managed to stay "pre-diabetic" for 10 years) employ along with limiting portion size. When we order out, we often share the main course....(given how over-the-top American serving size is).
 
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The info in the rest of the post , btw, is very misleading, although you could not possibly know that.

Which parts of the info in the rest of my post was misleading?

Those were the years that CT & MRI scans became available...and prior to that, doctors had very limited resources with regards to visibility into the cancers they were treating (apart from what limited things they could ascertain from an x-ray) -- and apart from doing exploratory surgery (which also has it's limitations)

If you want to find just five books by different authors from how health was measured normally and

inexpensively , you can. If you want to find just ten books on that, you can.

The reason why I was asking for a specific title is because I'm already familiar with a lot of the books and theories pertaining to alternative cancer treatments (growing up in a household with both parents being into alternative/naturopathic medicine -- to my father's detriment when he got cancer and refused oncology treatment in favor of homeopathic/naturopathic medicine)

Of the one's I've heard or read about...none really hold up under any serious scrutiny and are largely based on unverifiable anecdotes, or were written during periods in history where there was knowing way of verifying their claims one way or the other.

So I was curious as to if you had a specific example of one in mind that I maybe hadn't encountered yet.

Remember that the powers in power , that control the medical schools and make rich by them, do not approve of you looking for that info, and have censored as much as they can , and have blacklisted the healers so people won't read them from the past, nor go to them today.

...but, that's not a valid rationale.

This isn't a zero sum game where one side being wrong about something automatically makes any alternative to it right.
In other words: A medical doctor being wrong about something or being "in bed with big pharma" doesn't provide any de facto validation to things like chiropractic, homeopathic, or naturopathic.

Many people fall into the trap of thinking that because some doctors are "pill mills", that any alternative practitioner who agrees with them about doctors prescribe too much must be legit.

An MD could be handing out pain pills like candy and getting every diagnosis wrong, that still wouldn't give any validation to the concept of "magnet therapy".
 
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I know people who have had the gastric sleeve oper. ation in which 80% of their stomach is removed. One is continually ill.

A childhood friend had a bypass and became an alcoholic since she could eat so little. She died of kidney failure.

My sister had a bypass and now has pancreatic insufficiency.

If only there had been a drug these desperate people would be alive and well.

Call me pro-choice on this med.
 
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