Florida teacher felt she had to quit amid 'Don't Say Gay' rhetoric

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I missed the part where anyone was forcing you to be gay.

Telling someone about something does not impose your beliefs on them. Legally forcing them to do or say (or not do/not say) something, on the other hand...
If you have a same sex marriage, some people will not want anything to do with you. This is not use of force. Teaching minors sex change operations are good is not what voters want. They may try to shut down LGTBQ recruiting in public schools.
 
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If you have a same sex marriage, some people will not want anything to do with you.
I suppose. And if you say that you want nothing to do with people in same-sex marriages, some people will not want anything to do with you either. I have a feeling that the latter group is significantly larger than the former.

This is not use of force.
I agree. I never said it was. You, on the other hand, claimed that homosexuality was being "imposed upon" you - which would imply that someone is trying to force you to be gay. Gonna need to see some proof of that. It being visible and talked about in society does not impose upon you any more than pork being visible in the grocery store imposes upon Jews or Muslims.

Teaching minors sex change operations are good is not what voters want.
That depends on what you mean by "teaching sex change operations are good" and which voters you ask.

They may try to shut down LGTBQ recruiting in public schools.
And now we're making up bogeymen. "LGBTQ recruiting"? Really?
 
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Just so I can keep my head screwed on straight, you're not a fan of gay people teaching.

How about black people and other minorities? Aren't you worried they are going to sneak some CRT in?
 
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I suppose. And if you say that you want nothing to do with people in same-sex marriages, some people will not want anything to do with you either. I have a feeling that the latter group is significantly larger than the former.


I agree. I never said it was. You, on the other hand, claimed that homosexuality was being "imposed upon" you - which would imply that someone is trying to force you to be gay. Gonna need to see some proof of that. It being visible and talked about in society does not impose upon you any more than pork being visible in the grocery store imposes upon Jews or Muslims.


That depends on what you mean by "teaching sex change operations are good" and which voters you ask.


And now we're making up bogeymen. "LGBTQ recruiting"? Really?
Rocks in Your Head,

I made a complaint. School children should not be taught sex change operations are good. I am an adult. I know homosexuality is wrong.

Homosexuality is not imposed on me. I reject it. Heterosexuality is more popular than homosexuality. Gay youths are much more likely to attempt suicide.

Nearly a third of young gay people have attempted suicide, study finds
 
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I made a complaint.
No, you said:
Most secular people are not involved in homosexual activities. Why would you try to impose homosexuality on those who experience heterosexual attractions?
No one is trying to impose homosexuality on people who experience heterosexual attractions.

School children should not be taught sex change operations are good.
Depends on what you mean by that. Gender affirmation surgery is a valid treatment for gender dysphoria. In that sense it's good - like chemotherapy is good as a treatment for cancer. But just like I wouldn't suggest that everyone go out and take a round of chemo, I also wouldn't encourage anyone to transition without proper medical advice from doctors and psychologists.

I am an adult. I know homosexuality is wrong.
Your opinion is noted.

Homosexuality is not imposed on me.
That's not what you said earlier - see above.

Heterosexuality is more popular than homosexuality.
It's not a popularity contest.

Gay youths are much more likely to attempt suicide.
Gee, I wonder why. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with people like you telling them that they're abominations, that they're not worthy of the same rights enjoyed by heterosexuals, that they're going to hell because of something they have no power to change, could it?
 
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No, you said:

No one is trying to impose homosexuality on people who experience heterosexual attractions.


Depends on what you mean by that. Gender affirmation surgery is a valid treatment for gender dysphoria. In that sense it's good - like chemotherapy is good as a treatment for cancer. But just like I wouldn't suggest that everyone go out and take a round of chemo, I also wouldn't encourage anyone to transition without proper medical advice from doctors and psychologists.


Your opinion is noted.


That's not what you said earlier - see above.


It's not a popularity contest.


Gee, I wonder why. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with people like you telling them that they're abominations, that they're not worthy of the same rights enjoyed by heterosexuals, that they're going to hell because of something they have no power to change, could it?
Rocks,

You are jumping to false conclusions. I never called LGBTQ people abominations, nor did I say they should have no rights. I do not want sex change surgeons selling their product in the public schools. Due to Democrats giving way too much to the LGBTQ community, we lost the House.
 
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Rocks,

You are jumping to false conclusions. I never called LGBTQ people abominations, nor did I say they should have no rights.
Apologies, though you did say that you see homosexuality as wrong and that you don't think gay people should get married.

I do not want sex change surgeons selling their product in the public schools.
Neither do I. It's good thing it isn't happening, nor is anyone encouraging it.

Due to Democrats giving way too much to the LGBTQ community, we lost the House.
No, Democrats lost the House because it's a midterm election with a Democrat as president. The last Democrat to hold on to a majority in the House past the first midterm was Carter. In order for your premise to be true, you'd have to actually point to something concrete that Democrats gave to the LGBTQ community in the past two years. There isn't a lot:

- Biden reversed an executive order banning transgenders from serving in the military
- Biden reversed a policy that allowed healthcare companies to deny coverage to LGBTQ people
- Biden reversed an executive order prohibiting government agencies from offering diversity training
- Biden signed an executive order protecting more people against discrimination based on sex and gender

That was it for 2021(Source), and I can't recall anything significant for 2022. None of those were real rallying cries from the Right - maybe a bit about the rescinding of the ban on transgenders in the military when that happened, but that was early 2021 and I haven't heard anything since. What Democrats did do was fight against the flood of discriminatory laws that have been proposed or passed over the past few years. Personally, I wouldn't call that "giving too much". We should always fight against discrimination.

Rather, Republicans riled up their base by creating bogeymen (gay/trans "grooming", drag queen story hour, etc), trying to paint Biden and his family as corrupt, and focusing on inflation. The fact is that the economy isn't doing amazingly (for good reason - massive tax cuts and a global pandemic will have that effect) and Biden is hardly inspiring as a President, so the fact that Democrats didn't lose too badly is the bigger wonder.
 
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Rocks in Your Head,

I made a complaint. School children should not be taught sex change operations are good. I am an adult. I know homosexuality is wrong.
You believe homosexuality is wrong. It's a belief.
Homosexuality is not imposed on me. I reject it. Heterosexuality is more popular than homosexuality.
"more popular": Are we in junior high? Who cares about what is "popular"? Did you know that only 10% of people are left handed. My mother had her left handedness beaten out of her in elementary school in Europe in the 1950s because they thought it was from the devil.

Gay youths are much more likely to attempt suicide.
Yes because people with your attitude tell them that they, as a person, are worthless, wrong and shouldn't be alive.
I know. My daughter attended a christian school and her gay friend was told this on the regular by several students. All while she experienced harrassment and terrible treatment from boys; even to the point that she was sexually assaulted by one of them (this is junior high by the way). Now she's very uncomfortable around boys (especially many/most christian boys) because she sees how they treat others.

It's sad that the people who trot out "gay kids are more prone to mental health problems" appear completely unaware of the fact that THEY CONTRIBUTE to their mental health problems. Gay kids in supportive nurturing environments have similar mental health concern rates as heterosexual kids.

Yeah. So many stop telling them that you "know that they are wrong" and make sure your kids NEVER tell anyone that they should just die and shouldn't exist.
 
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Apologies, though you did say that you see homosexuality as wrong and that you don't think gay people should get married.
Are you gay?
Are you trying to say homosexuality is right and gay people should marry gay people?

I have the right to disagree with you. They banned school prayer, but promoted gay pride celebration in schools. Others did the opposite.
 
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Are you gay?
No.
Are you trying to say homosexuality is right and gay people should marry gay people?
I have no objections to homosexual people being who they are, or marrying the people that they love.

I have the right to disagree with you.
Indeed. But if you're trying to convince me to agree with you, you're not doing a very good job.

They banned school prayer, but promoted gay pride celebration in schools.
Only one of those two things is a religious activity. I'll let you figure out which one. (Hint: it's the one that was banned, as a public school supporting a religion would violate the constitution)

I also don't see what this has to do with your point. Or what you point even is now - you keep changing direction every time you post.
 
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I don't believe this teacher. I know for a fact that schools have HR departments that would not allow this kind of behavior from other staff members. They would be in a lot of trouble. I am sure the schools have training in this area for the teachers and staff. This is totally against policies and could be a violation of law as well.

No I think she's just bailing cause she hates the fact she can't indoctrinate the kids in LGBT rhetoric.
 
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Are you gay?
As someone who has gotten this several times, it's really strange. It's possible for me to support others getting a equal place in society without me being a member of that group. It's not a zero sum game. Gay people being able to marry and live in live their lives without harassment from the state takes nothing away from me.
 
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"She had long ago learned to nod and smile, swallowing her feelings, when other teachers told Solomon that her marriage was a violation, that it broke God’s rules, that it went against their religion and the way they believed the world should be."

What frustrates me the most is that still people think they can impose the rules of their own belief / religion on others. People nowadays still thinking, "my religion forbids this, therefore nobody can do this".
Religion is personal, people. You can choose your religion, your morals, you live by your religion, your morals. Don't expect anyone else to live by that.
 
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"She had long ago learned to nod and smile, swallowing her feelings, when other teachers told Solomon that her marriage was a violation, that it broke God’s rules, that it went against their religion and the way they believed the world should be."

What frustrates me the most is that still people think they can impose the rules of their own belief / religion on others. People nowadays still thinking, "my religion forbids this, therefore nobody can do this".
Religion is personal, people. You can choose your religion, your morals, you live by your religion, your morals. Don't expect anyone else to live by that.

Then why do people feel they have the right to to tell religious people they can't live by their religious values?

I do understand the point that we shouldn't impose our religious values on you if you don't believe in them. I think it's a valid point.

But I'm wondering exactly what it is that was religiously imposed on her? Was she not allowed to marry because of religious imposition? Was she not allowed to be a teacher due to religious imposition?

I think she quit.

And honestly, I don't thing she's telling the truth.
 
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With this bill in particular, I see a lot of disingenuousness happening.

...in that, many of the critiques are either based on a lie about what the bill entails, or are based on fears about how it may embolden people on the other side.


Example:
Governor John Doe signs a bill into law saying "we're increasing the penalties for people who get caught shoplifting since the problem is getting out of hand, and any shoplifting over $100 will now be a felony"

Two things happen:
-Some extremists on his own side misconstrue the bill as a green light to read into it what they want
-His opponents brand it as the "Disenfranchise <group XYZ> bill"

Neither of those two aspects have anything to do with the content of the bill, nor the merit (or possibly lack thereof) of the bill.
 
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Rocks in Your Head,

I made a complaint. School children should not be taught sex change operations are good. I am an adult. I know homosexuality is wrong.

Homosexuality is not imposed on me. I reject it. Heterosexuality is more popular than homosexuality. Gay youths are much more likely to attempt suicide.

Nearly a third of young gay people have attempted suicide, study finds
your study also finds that LGBT youth are far far far more likely to be physically assaulted, threatened, bullies, experience abuse, be harassed and be the victim of sexual assaults.
 
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Are you gay?
Are you trying to say homosexuality is right and gay people should marry gay people?

I have the right to disagree with you. They banned school prayer, but promoted gay pride celebration in schools. Others did the opposite.
if someone is opposed to racism do you think that makes them black?
 
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if someone is opposed to racism do you think that makes them black?
I have worked with people of different races. I find some are opposed to the racism that does not favor them, but favor those of their own race in the voting booth and elsewhere. I do not assume all white people are racist. A couple I met have a white daughter and adopted a boy from Ethiopia.

I dated a widow who had white children from two different marriages, then she and her second husband adopted a Chinese girl before her husband passed away.
 
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