Why did God send his Son on earth

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We are hybrids, flesh and spirit. We become domesticated by choice in the same way we became feral in the first place by choice (the Fall). Jesus died as a result of our self centred nature which did not take kindly to the teachings that man's ways were backwards, especially those of our leaders. The leaders especially were not impressed with His teachings that God would resume governance of man, removing governance by man. Our arrogance was shown to be futile when Jesus was resurrected in spite of the attempts by man to thwart the will of God in favour of our own.
 
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Why didn't God just take our sins away from God alone in Heaven without sending his Son Jesus to die on this cross

Hi @PrincessofGod18,

Great question. I hope I can help.

  • Adam (Man) caved into Satan at the very beginning and Satan took the ownership of the world from man, becoming ruler over them. All humans born after that moment were, effectively, born into a "prison world" of Satan and death.
  • Who could save man from this perpetual bondage? It would take a man to stand up to Satan and refuse to buckle under his temptations and persecutions - a man who would remaining righteous even unto death.
  • Jesus came to be that "Second Adam". And so in the "First Adam" all of us inherit the destination of death, by default. But in the "Second Adam" we can inherit life, by choice. Just like the Messiah did on His resurrection - because death had no rights over him.
So then, what about sin?

Jesus, upon His resurrection, rose to the Father to become our "High Priest". Now, in short, a Priest is like a mediator or a Defence Lawyer between a Defendant and the Judge (and Satan is like the Prosecution). So Jesus "mediates" on our behalf to the Father, being able to relate to our issues having lived as a man - which is why we pray in Jesus' name. More able this process is detailed in the book of Hebrews. But in essence, instead of an earthly High Priest (like the Jews used to have) we now have a heavenly High Priest (who is a Priest forever) so that....

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9

In summary - how could have man be freed from his "prison" under Satan and death had a Saviour not come to free him? And how could have the Messiah served as our High Priest if have not first lived as a man, like those He now mediates on behalf of?

I hope that makes sense and that I haven't made in more confusing for you!

Peace.
 

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Hi @PrincessofGod18,

Great question. I hope I can help.

  • Adam (Man) caved into Satan at the very beginning and Satan took the ownership of the world from man, becoming ruler over them. All humans born after that moment were, effectively, born into a "prison world" of Satan and death.
  • Who could save man from this perpetual bondage? It would take a man to stand up to Satan and refuse to buckle under his temptations and persecutions - a man who would remaining righteous even unto death.
  • Jesus came to be that "Second Adam". And so in the "First Adam" all of us inherit the destination of death, by default. But in the "Second Adam" we can inherit life, by choice. Just like the Messiah did on His resurrection - because death had no rights over him.
So then, what about sin?

Jesus, upon His resurrection, rose to the Father to become our "High Priest". Now, in short, a Priest is like a mediator or a Defence Lawyer between a Defendant and the Judge (and Satan is like the Prosecution). So Jesus "mediates" on our behalf to the Father, being able to relate to our issues having lived as a man - which is why we pray in Jesus' name. More able this process is detailed in the book of Hebrews. But in essence, instead of an earthly High Priest (like the Jews used to have) we now have a heavenly High Priest (who is a Priest forever) so that....

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9

In summary - how could have man be freed from his "prison" under Satan and death had a Saviour not come to free him? And how could have the Messiah served as our High Priest if have not first lived as a man, like those He now mediates on behalf of?

I hope that makes sense and that I haven't made in more confusing for you!

Peace.

Hi @PrincessofGod18,

Great question. I hope I can help.

  • Adam (Man) caved into Satan at the very beginning and Satan took the ownership of the world from man, becoming ruler over them. All humans born after that moment were, effectively, born into a "prison world" of Satan and death.
  • Who could save man from this perpetual bondage? It would take a man to stand up to Satan and refuse to buckle under his temptations and persecutions - a man who would remaining righteous even unto death.
  • Jesus came to be that "Second Adam". And so in the "First Adam" all of us inherit the destination of death, by default. But in the "Second Adam" we can inherit life, by choice. Just like the Messiah did on His resurrection - because death had no rights over him.
So then, what about sin?

Jesus, upon His resurrection, rose to the Father to become our "High Priest". Now, in short, a Priest is like a mediator or a Defence Lawyer between a Defendant and the Judge (and Satan is like the Prosecution). So Jesus "mediates" on our behalf to the Father, being able to relate to our issues having lived as a man - which is why we pray in Jesus' name. More able this process is detailed in the book of Hebrews. But in essence, instead of an earthly High Priest (like the Jews used to have) we now have a heavenly High Priest (who is a Priest forever) so that....

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9

In summary - how could have man be freed from his "prison" under Satan and death had a Saviour not come to free him? And how could have the Messiah served as our High Priest if have not first lived as a man, like those He now mediates on behalf of?

I hope that makes sense and that I haven't made in more confusing for you!

Peace.

I did think it was to do with Jesus coming on earth to live and understand like us as he walked on earth. But when he walked the earth he had no sin nature so how can he or we relate to the issues with one with no sin nature and one with sin us ?
 
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But when he walked the earth he had no sin nature so how can he or we relate to the issues with one with no sin nature and one with sin us ?
He said He only did the will of the Father, the same thing God has asked us to do since the Garden. This does not mean He was incapable of failing. He had the same flesh as the rest of us, our animal nature. He rejected the ways of the flesh for the ways of the Kingdom. He put others ahead of self. Both of those are summed up in His two commandments
 
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Hi all

Why didn't God just take our sins away from God alone in Heaven without sending his Son Jesus to die on this cross ?
Choice .... Love

True love can not be dictated (forced) it must be a choice. Freedom of choice.

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."
 
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I did think it was to do with Jesus coming on earth to live and understand like us as he walked on earth. But when he walked the earth he had no sin nature so how can he or we relate to the issues with one with no sin nature and one with sin us ?

Again, great question!

The First Adam did not have a sin nature and chose to sin, which is what made it a tragic story. The Second Adam, in the same position, was tempted more and persecuted more than the First Adam ever was - yet held fast to walking righteously, even unto death.

But just because we have a sin nature it doesn't mean we can't walk righteously like He did. It just requires determination and the Spirit of Yahweh to help strengthen us, when we make the right choices, to help us see them through.

And just because Jesus didn't have a sin nature, doesn't mean he cannot relate to us. Imagine you stayed with a Japanese Family for 30 years, learning their language and culture etc. Although you wouldn't be Japanese yourself, wouldn't you be able to relate to them and understand them by then? I'm not trying to say sin nature and being Japanese is comparable at all! Rather, I mean that your nature doesn't need to change in order to live with and understand others and the issues they face in their lives, which would be different to your own.

Good question though. It's encouraging to see you assess this topic carefully and critically.
 
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If God is supposed to be just, and we are sinners before him, then our sin must be punished by him. If our sin must be punished, then the punishment for our sin is rightly deserved. How, then, does a just God forgive sinners? He must do it without diminishing his justice against sin. How, then, does a just God do that? He, in the person of Jesus, bears the punishment of their sin upon himself at the cross. In this way, God is able to satisfy his justice against sin without directly punishing its proprietor.
"There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends."
- John 15:13
When a person places their faith in Jesus as the atonement ("covering") for their sin, God accepts them on the terms of his work. God's wrath against them has been fully satisfied in the suffering of Jesus on their behalf, so that there no longer remains any condemnation for sin (Romans 8:1). Herein, God is glorified for being just against sin and merciful toward sinners.

It is entirely possible for God to forgive sinners without the need of an atonement, but within the Christian tradition, God's justice cannot simply be overlooked. He must bring into account everyone's works.
 
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Hi all

Why didn't God just take our sins away from God alone in Heaven without sending his Son Jesus to die on this cross ?
Jesus came not only to save us but also to show us God in the flesh and the total love that God has for us, that is what the Gospel is all about.
 
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Jesus created the world.
Man was given dominion over the world.
Man was tricked into surrendering dominion to Satan.
By dying for the sins of the whole world, Jesus earned the right to take ownership (Rev 4&5)
Man lost eternal life at the fall.
Jesus offers eternal life to those who trust in him.

This system balances love and justice. If we were just given things, like spolied children we would be ungrateful, resentful, and demanding more. To live in selfless love we need the new (spiritual) nature we can have in Jesus.
 
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Again, great question!

The First Adam did not have a sin nature and chose to sin, which is what made it a tragic story. The Second Adam, in the same position, was tempted more and persecuted more than the First Adam ever was - yet held fast to walking righteously, even unto death.

But just because we have a sin nature it doesn't mean we can't walk righteously like He did. It just requires determination and the Spirit of Yahweh to help strengthen us, when we make the right choices, to help us see them through.

And just because Jesus didn't have a sin nature, doesn't mean he cannot relate to us. Imagine you stayed with a Japanese Family for 30 years, learning their language and culture etc. Although you wouldn't be Japanese yourself, wouldn't you be able to relate to them and understand them by then? I'm not trying to say sin nature and being Japanese is comparable at all! Rather, I mean that your nature doesn't need to change in order to live with and understand others and the issues they face in their lives, which would be different to your own.

Good question though. It's encouraging to see you assess this topic carefully and critically.
Interesting way of putting it with the part of living somewhere else and seeing how they live without living there in that place.

Thank you, yes I am one to ask questions to find out, rather than guess or wonder.
 
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Thank you, yes I am one to ask questions to find out, rather than guess or wonder.

That's the right attitude!

As long as you stick with that mentality and keep on digging (especially if the answers you are given don't make sense) then Yahweh will certainly lead you to as much truth and wisdom as you seek - without at doubt.

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter - Proverbs 25:2

Keep on seeking and knocking :)
 
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Why didn't God just take our sins away from God alone in Heaven without sending his Son Jesus to die on this cross ?

If everybody is defective then isn't that the fault of the designer? Since everybody has sinned, then it kinda looks like it's the fault of God. And that kinda means God has to wipe us out and start over.

Enter Jesus. Jesus showed that man is not defective, but rather the problem is that nobody is following the instruction manual.

Jesus took the sin that was apparently on God and transferred to each individual. Hence, God no longer had to wipe us out. Jesus saved us - as in everybody on the planet. But now you are on the hook for your own sin.

Where is the "take our sins away" part?
 
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Why didn't God just take our sins away from God alone in Heaven without sending his Son Jesus to die on this cross ?
Jesus experienced every human emotion and temptation, so He could be a just judge of His creation.

Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

He was willing to experience every loss, and still say "Father forgive them". He gave us an example. He did not just sit on a crystal throne and say I forgive, but rather experienced what man may experience, and extended forgiveness to those who mistreated Him.
 
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Mercy could not do it. A sovereign act of mercy could not do it. What we have now is not mercy. The mercy was executed at the cross.
Now it is a matter of Jesus faithfully executing the justice that is due, not only to us, but to His self. We do not have to beg for mercy when it comes to salvation. It has been completed. As Paul said, God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. Now He calls us to "be ye therefore reconciled." Meaning start acting on it. Aline you heart and life up with what He has done. He redeemed you, so now act like a redeemed person!
 
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I did think it was to do with Jesus coming on earth to live and understand like us as he walked on earth. But when he walked the earth he had no sin nature so how can he or we relate to the issues with one with no sin nature and one with sin us ?
Jesus was tempted on every side as we are. He can fully relate to everything we have been through, and then he died a horrible death on a cross for every one of my and your sins. Meditate on that. Thats how he can relate to us, that's how much he loves us. He experienced every person's sins and the judgement for them when he was nailed to a cross alone, and God turned His back on Him instead of you. You want to fully relate to God? Start reading His word and be converted from your sin nature into His heavenly nature. Receiving the Holy spirit is the only way you can fully relate to Him. But you have to recognize that you are a sinner and are in need of a Savior. The price of Christ's sacrifice was very costly, more than any man could ever afford. “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:1

He was fully man and fully God. Jesus made you. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." Johm 1:3
 
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Why didn't God just take our sins away from God alone in Heaven without sending his Son Jesus to die on this cross ?
There would be no Bible. No interaction between God and man. And man would have learned no lesson, he would take it for granted. God would have to continually force His will upon man who has his own free will, which god would never do because that would negate the meaning of free will. You were made in God's image, therefore you have free will also. If God forced his creation to do something, it would basically be a puppet and there would be no relationship between the two.
 
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