Maybe Protestants are still too Catholic

Clare73 said:

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater

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The baby is throw out and down the drain.

Daniel Peres said:

On this forum, I have come to realize that Protestants don’t just disagree with the Catholic Church, they also disagree with the Protestant Reformers for being too Catholic.

I think it’s clear that 22nd century Protestants will look back on you guys and say, “Those 21st century Protestants meant well, but they were still too Catholic.”

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I think Luther's sermons on the Blessed Virgin would make most protestants cringe in horror.

eleos1954 said:

The bible was not available to the general public for a very long time

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What reason would you give to explain why the Bible wasn't available?

concretecamper said:

I think Luther's sermons on the Blessed Virgin would make most protestants cringe in horror.

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Which ones?

concretecamper said:

I think Luther's sermons on the Blessed Virgin would make most protestants cringe in horror.

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Should Mary not be venerated as are the apostles?

She made a rather "significant contribution" to the gospel.

AndOne said:

Which ones?

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They are easy to look up. However, here is an excerpt. I highly suggest you do some digging.

“It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin.” – On the Day of the Conception of the Mother God Sermon, 1527

concretecamper said:

They are easy to look up. However, here is an excerpt. I highly suggest you do some digging.

“It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin.” – On the Day of the Conception of the Mother God Sermon, 1527

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The question would be:
If Mary, to be free of original sin, did not need Ann to be free of original sin to keep from contaminating Mary in conception,
why would Jesus need Mary to be free of original sin in order not to contaminate him in conception?

Why the need for the Immaculate Conception?
Why would Luke who, with the eye of a physician, had so "carefully investigated everything from the beginning" and who has given us the fullest of all the gospel accounts of Jesus' birth, not know or omit such information?

Clare73 said:

The question would be:
If Mary, to be free of original sin, did not need Ann to be free of original to keep from contaminating Mary in conception,l

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No.

This statement show a lack of belief in the Power of God.

concretecamper said:

No.

This statement show a lack of belief in the Power of God.

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It's not about the power of God, if he did it for Ann.

And if he did it for Ann, why would he not do it for Mary?

Clare73 said:

It's not about the power of God, if he did it for Ann.

And if he did it for Ann, why would he not do it for Mary?

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You can pretend to know God's reasons, I don't

concretecamper said:

You can pretend to know God's reasons, I don't

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Maybe he didn't do it for Ann's sin, and make Mary sinless.
Maybe he did it only for Mary's sin, and made his own child/Son sinless.

Clare73 said:

Maybe he didn't do it for Ann's sin, and make Mary sinless.
Maybe he did it only for Mary's sin, and made his own child/Son sinless.

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Take it up with Martin Luther, the Father of the Reformation.

concretecamper said:

Take it up with Martin Luther, the Father of the Reformation.

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The Catholic monk?

Clare73 said:

The Catholic monk?

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Yes

Daniel Peres said:

Well, most people were illiterate and therefore the Bible was unavailable to them. Additionally, a Bible was outrageously expensive before the printing press.

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All great point. I am curious what the poster I quote would say.

Daniel Peres said:

On this forum, I have come to realize that Protestants don’t just disagree with the Catholic Church, they also disagree with the Protestant Reformers for being too Catholic.

I think it’s clear that 22nd century Protestants will look back on you guys and say, “Those 21st century Protestants meant well, but they were still too Catholic.”

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True and funny too.

concretecamper said:

All great point. I am curious what the poster I quote would say.

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To be deep in history all the way back to BC is to be Biblically Christian.

Daniel Peres said:

I’m always amused with this type of statement. Protestants love to say their church is Bible-based. The problem is they have it backwards. The Bible is church-based.

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The Bible is Holy Spirit-based, just as the prophets were Holy Spirit based, and not Judaism-based.

The Christians of the third century recognized those writings as God-breathed, just as the OT saints recognized the words of the prophets as God-breathed.
The word of God from the prophets was not about the authority of Judaism, it was about the authority of the Holy Spirit.

The early Christians didn't give us the Bible, the early Christians recognized writings as from the Holy Spirit, as the born again today are likewise able to do. . .the exclusion of the Apocrypha being an example.
The writings being God-breathed was not conferred by the early Christians, it was recognized by the early Christians.
The Bible is not church-based, it is Holy Spirit-based, and church-recognized.

The authority of the word of God written is from the Holy Spirit, not from the church.
The Bible is the authority over the church, the church is not the authority over the Bible.

Daniel Peres said:

Catholicism is church-based and the Bible is our scripture. Protestantism, while certainly Christian, is missing so much.

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Christianity is Christ-based,
Is authoritatively transmitted by the Apostles to all the born again, who are the church, the body of Christ, his bride, to whom
the God-breathed writings are given by the Holy Spirit,
recognized by the body of Christ, the church, and
authoritative over the church, the body of Christ and the people of God.