Rapture Believers, question about post-rapture faith

Diamond7 · Dec 5, 2022

Think... said:
The 'Day = 1000 years' nonsense

It is a fact that Adam lived to be 930 years of age. We are told 70 years of his life was given to David. We know that Adam and Eve lived in Eden 6,000 years ago. Revelation tells us about the 1,000 year reign of Christ. This is the sabbath when man rests from his works. Before the flood people lived to be 1000 years of age. After the flood life was limited to 120 years. The Church age began 2,000 years ago.

Genesis 2:17, KJV: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Jamdoc · Dec 5, 2022

Diamond7 said:
Rapture is not the resurrection. It means we leave our body behind - our spirit and soul go to be with Jesus. All born-again believers are raptured and have been for the last 2,000 years of the Church age. Before Calvery, they went to Abraham's bosom. They were resurrected when Jesus went to Calvery.

Matthew 27
…51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.…

That is not biblical at all.

Read 1 Thessalonians 4. When Jesus comes He brings the spirits of the dead in Christ with Him. I mean this is THE rapture passage.

1 Thessalonians 4

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

3 things
#1. It is the second coming, first Jesus comes down from Heaven.
#2. Then the resurrection
#3. Then the rapture of those in Christ who are still alive.

anyone teaching the rapture and resurrection are different is not reading their bible, Paul would disagree with them.
anyone teaching that the rapture and the second coming are different is not reading their bible, Paul would disagree with them.

in essence.
Read Your Bible.

Maria Billingsley · Dec 5, 2022

Diamond7 said:
Rapture is not the resurrection. It means we leave our body behind - our spirit and soul go to be with Jesus. All born-again believers are raptured and have been for the last 2,000 years of the Church age. Before Calvery, they went to Abraham's bosom. They were resurrected when Jesus went to Calvery.

Matthew 27
…51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.…

Nice ! A new perspective. I am speaking if the traditional Dispensational Futurist position where the body is taken. Blessings.

Trivalee · Dec 5, 2022

ByTheSpirit said:
It's true that it's a difficult question to answer. I was having a rather inquisitive moment the other day when I asked. Ultimately, I don't think scripture clearly addresses it, so true, not something we should spend a lot of time on. Not to mention, the question as I posed it only applies to a portion of believers, as not all believe in a pre-trib rapture. Still, thanks for your response!

Pre-tribulation rapture is not a sound doctrine. I understand that many people believe in it, but the true picture is that the church will go through the G.T. and be raptured at the end of it. That's why the Lord said in Matt 24:22 that the GT will be shorted for the sake of the saints.

In the exchange between Abraham and the rich man in Luke 16:22, Abraham declined the rich man's request to send messengers from that realm to his brothers on earth to persuade them to repent. Therefore, if unbelievers and Christians sitting on the fence want to wait until the rapture before they believe the gospel, will it not be like waiting for a sign, a heavenly phenomenon before believing? If that request was denied the rich man, I'm sure the Lord will not indulge those that enjoy the pleasures of the world until the rapture before they believe the gospel is true.

dfw69 · Dec 5, 2022

Trivalee said:
Pre-tribulation rapture is not a sound doctrine.

Yes it is

Trivalee said:
I understand that many people believe in it, but the true picture is that the church will go through the G.T. and be raptured at the end of it.

Not true

Trivalee said:
That's why the Lord said in Matt 24:22 that the GT will be shorted for the sake of the saints.

Saints refers to believers who keep the commandments of god but testify of Jesus during the false messianic age .they are the ones going through great trib not the church

Trivalee said:
In the exchange between Abraham and the rich man in Luke 16:22, Abraham declined the rich man's request to send messengers from that realm to his brothers on earth to persuade them to repent.

Because the Jews (his brethren) will not believe though one rose from the dead
They were unbelievers

Trivalee said:
Therefore, if unbelievers and Christians sitting on the fence want to wait until the rapture before they believe the gospel,

The rapture is part of the gospel and unbelievers reject that part of the gospel

Cause it doesn’t fit to the worldly agenda to create heaven on earth

dfw69 · Dec 5, 2022

Diamond7 said:
Rapture is not the resurrection. It means we leave our body behind - our spirit and soul go to be with Jesus. All born-again believers are raptured and have been for the last 2,000 years of the Church age. Before Calvery, they went to Abraham's bosom. They were resurrected when Jesus went to Calvery.

The rapture is a body resurrected for our corruptible bodies must put on incorruptible bodies and mortal bodies immortal to become like Jesus

Diamond7 said:
Matthew 27
…51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.…

This was the first fruits of the coming resurrection of the Church

Leaf473 · Dec 5, 2022

Trivalee said:
Pre-tribulation rapture is not a sound doctrine. I understand that many people believe in it, but the true picture is that the church will go through the G.T. and be raptured at the end of it. That's why the Lord said in Matt 24:22 that the GT will be shorted for the sake of the saints.

In the exchange between Abraham and the rich man in Luke 16:22, Abraham declined the rich man's request to send messengers from that realm to his brothers on earth to persuade them to repent. Therefore, if unbelievers and Christians sitting on the fence want to wait until the rapture before they believe the gospel, will it not be like waiting for a sign, a heavenly phenomenon before believing? If that request was denied the rich man, I'm sure the Lord will not indulge those that enjoy the pleasures of the world until the rapture before they believe the gospel is true.

Hopefully this question is similar enough to the OP to be on topic. And anyone else is welcome to respond as well, I'm sure this question has come up before:

If the church goes through the Great tribulation and Jesus comes at the end of that, doesn't that pretty much narrow down when Jesus comes? How can he come like a thief in the night?

Peace be with you

Jamdoc · Dec 5, 2022

Leaf473 said:
Hopefully this question is similar enough to the OP to be on topic. And anyone else is welcome to respond as well, I'm sure this question has come up before:

If the church goes through the Great tribulation and Jesus comes at the end of that, doesn't that pretty much narrow down when Jesus comes? How can he come like a thief in the night?

Peace be with you

Because there's no clearly marked end of the tribulation, aside from the sun and moon darkening as Jesus returns.

That's another thing that you do when you mistakenly consider the wrath of God and great tribulation to be the same thing.

Oh there's a 42 month period, but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened... and nobody has any clue by how many days.
but if you believe in a "7 year tribulation" then you have a clear end date

dfw69 · Dec 5, 2022

Leaf473 said:
Hopefully this question is similar enough to the OP to be on topic. And anyone else is welcome to respond as well, I'm sure this question has come up before:

I’d like to respond

Leaf473 said:
If the church goes through the Great tribulation

The saints are being cut off during the false messianic age and preaching is scarce because of the persecution which is going to take place for many years

It’s a time of darkness and little light and the inhabitants of the earth are asleep and drunken in the night . preaching Jesus is not tolerated in those days

Leaf473 said:
and Jesus comes at the end of that, doesn't that pretty much narrow down when Jesus comes?

When Jesus comes will he find faith in the earth? Luke 18:8 will people be actually looking for him?

Leaf473 said:
How can he come like a thief in the night?

Peace be with you

Because the world will be asleep and drunken with the wine of mystery Babylon

The wrath and judgements to come will catch them by surprise like a thief in the night and they will not know when the wrath (spoken of in rev 6:12-17) will come nor expected it to come because they do not believe Jesus is lord though they were told by those being killed off over the many years

Peace be with you

Leaf473 · Dec 6, 2022

Jamdoc said:
Because there's no clearly marked end of the tribulation, aside from the sun and moon darkening as Jesus returns.

That's another thing that you do when you mistakenly consider the wrath of God and great tribulation to be the same thing.

Oh there's a 42 month period, but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened... and nobody has any clue by how many days.
but if you believe in a "7 year tribulation" then you have a clear end date

I thought we already talked about the wrath of God and the great tribulation, and that they were related. Which is not to say that every instance of the wrath of God is the same as the Great tribulation, but that the Great tribulation is an example of the wrath of God.

So... A 42 month period of what?

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ!

Leaf473 · Dec 6, 2022

dfw69 said:
I’d like to respond

The saints are being cut off during the false messianic age and preaching is scarce because of the persecution which is going to take place for many years

It’s a time of darkness and little light and the inhabitants of the earth are asleep and drunken in the night . preaching Jesus is not tolerated in those days

When Jesus comes will he find faith in the earth? Luke 18:8 will people be actually looking for him?

Because the world will be asleep and drunken with the wine of mystery Babylon

The wrath and judgements to come will catch them by surprise like a thief in the night and they will not know when the wrath (spoken of in rev 6:12-17) will come nor expected it to come because they do not believe Jesus is lord though they were told by those being killed off over the many years

Peace be with you

So... It's the world that will be caught by surprise? I suppose that's a possible interpretation.

“Let your waist be dressed and your lamps burning. 36 Be like men watching for their lord, when he returns from the wedding feast; that when he comes and knocks, they may immediately open to him. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the lord will find watching when he comes. Most certainly I tell you that he will dress himself, make them recline, and will come and serve them. 38 They will be blessed if he comes in the second or third watch, and finds them so. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what hour the thief was coming, he would have watched, and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore be ready also, for the Son of Man is coming in an hour that you don’t expect him.”
Luke 12

To me, that sounds like believers that Jesus is encouraging to watch for him, but I suppose it could be the world.

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

JulieB67 · Dec 6, 2022

Leaf473 said:
How can he come like a thief in the night?

The thief in the night analogy is that people will be stating peace and safety. The only reason they would be thinking this is if they thought Christ had already returned. (that's why Christ he states he comes at an hour most do not expect) Meaning they have worshipped the fake one thinking he is the savior or have fallen away from the faith because they are waiting on Christ the first time around. That's how Satan is able to fool many. That's his MO-disguised as angel of light/looks like a lamb but spoke as a dragon.

I Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

So naturally when the true Christ returns, people will be shocked-even praying for mountains to fall on them. They have bought into the false sense of peace and safety that Satan/antichrist brings. We have to remember Satan is disguised as "an angel of light" We know Christ is that true angel of light. But that doesn't stop people from worshipping the fake one because of the peace and prosperity he brings as well as the miracles he will perform. He will proclaim to be God and obviously most of the world will believe him. Including the Christians that take part in the falling away/departing from the faith- that's biblical. Non Christians have nothing to fall away or depart from. So these are Christians. This is also why the foolish virgins who are waiting on the bridegroom, so these are Christians don't make the cut as well and others that Christ tells to depart from them. These were Christians at one time because non Christians would not be waiting for the bridegroom which we know is Christ.

Satan and Co will be here before the 7th trump. Christ returns at the 7th trump which we know is the last one. It's very important to know this which is why we have the warnings from Christ and Paul to not be deceived on this subject -his return and our gathering back together with him.

dfw69 · Dec 6, 2022

Leaf473 said:
So... It's the world that will be caught by surprise? I suppose that's a possible interpretation.

Yes it say in Revelation 6:15, NIV: Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.

Leaf473 said:
“Let your waist be dressed and your lamps burning. 36 Be like men watching for their lord, when he returns from the wedding feast; that when he comes and knocks, they may immediately open to him. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the lord will find watching when he comes. Most certainly I tell you that he will dress himself, make them recline, and will come and serve them. 38 They will be blessed if he comes in the second or third watch, and finds them so. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what hour the thief was coming, he would have watched, and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore be ready also, for the Son of Man is coming in an hour that you don’t expect him.”
Luke 12

This is for the Jews who are enlightened by the 144000 and 2 witnesses plus the signs of the times will be convincing in those days

Leaf473 said:
To me, that sounds like believers that Jesus is encouraging to watch for him, but I suppose it could be the world.

Well saved Jews or saints who will be enlightened but yes those who believe Jesus are encouraged to watch for him

Leaf473 said:
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

You too

Leaf473 · Dec 6, 2022

JulieB67 said:
The thief in the night analogy is that people will be stating peace and safety. The only reason they would be thinking this is if they thought Christ had already returned. (that's why Christ he states he comes at an hour most do not expect) Meaning they have worshipped the fake one thinking he is the savior or have fallen away from the faith because they are waiting on Christ the first time around. That's how Satan is able to fool many. That's his MO-disguised as angel of light/looks like a lamb but spoke as a dragon.

I Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

So naturally when the true Christ returns, people will be shocked-even praying for mountains to fall on them. They have bought into the false sense of peace and safety that Satan/antichrist brings. We have to remember Satan is disguised as "an angel of light" We know Christ is that true angel of light. But that doesn't stop people from worshipping the fake one because of the peace and prosperity he brings as well as the miracles he will perform. He will proclaim to be God and obviously most of the world will believe him. Including the Christians that take part in the falling away/departing from the faith- that's biblical. Non Christians have nothing to fall away or depart from. So these are Christians. This is also why the foolish virgins who are waiting on the bridegroom, so these are Christians don't make the cut as well and others that Christ tells to depart from them. These were Christians at one time because non Christians would not be waiting for the bridegroom which we know is Christ.

Satan and Co will be here before the 7th trump. Christ returns at the 7th trump which we know is the last one. It's very important to know this which is why we have the warnings from Christ and Paul to not be deceived on this subject -his return and our gathering back together with him.

I hear what you're saying. It's a possible interpretation, to me it doesn't quite fit with what I read in Luke 12.

But that's the nature of Jesus is parables. Different people will interpret them differently.

Thanks for your answer, and peace be with you!

Leaf473 · Dec 6, 2022

dfw69 said:
Yes it say in Revelation 6:15, NIV: Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.

This is for the Jews who are enlightened by the 144000 and 2 witnesses plus the signs of the times will be convincing in those days

Well saved Jews or saints who will be enlightened but yes those who believe Jesus are encouraged to watch for him

You too

Well, as I see it, if I learned that a gang of thieves was plotting to steal my $30 are Android phone some night in the next 7 days, I would take extra precautions during those few days. Probably move a dresser in front of the front door every night.

But I wouldn't keep that up for the rest of my life. And that's the key point, the prophecies are vague enough that people have been expecting Jesus to return since the first century.

If there's a set of events that can be ticked off before Jesus comes then that's much more like me scooching the dresser in front of the front door for a few nights imo.

Where do people usually locate the Great tribulation in the book of Revelation?

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

dfw69 · Dec 6, 2022

Leaf473 said:
Well, as I see it, if I learned that a gang of thieves was plotting to steal my $30 are Android phone some night in the next 7 days, I would take extra precautions during those few days. Probably move a dresser in front of the front door every night.

But I wouldn't keep that up for the rest of my life. And that's the key point, the prophecies are vague enough that people have been expecting Jesus to return since the first century.

If there's a set of events that can be ticked off before Jesus comes then that's much more like me scooching the dresser in front of the front door for a few nights imo.

Where do people usually locate the Great tribulation in the book of Revelation?

I can’t speak for everyone but for me the great tribulation for the Jews begins when the AOD a golem is set up in the temple

there are 3 types of tribulations I find in scripture

One is found in John 15:20 referring to every day life since Jesus ministry

The next is found in Matthew 24 during the false messianic age brother will betray brother perilous times and tribulations

In rev we have the rise of antichrist as the White horse rider but that seems to be more of a judgement released to punish mystery Babylon for persecuting the saints throughout her reign

The last is the great trib in rev 13 when the AOD is set up to destroy all Jews hold on to Jesus expecting his soon return

Leaf473 said:
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

As well you peace

Jamdoc · Dec 6, 2022

Leaf473 said:
I thought we already talked about the wrath of God and the great tribulation, and that they were related. Which is not to say that every instance of the wrath of God is the same as the Great tribulation, but that the Great tribulation is an example of the wrath of God.

So... A 42 month period of what?

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ!

Great Tribulation is not the wrath of God, great tribulation is persecution caused by men and the wrath of God is the response to great tribulation.

Isaiah 34

1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

So this establishes what's happening, the wrath of God

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Compare this to Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 6:12-17. It's the same signs... so.. when's the Lord going to deal out His wrath? When these signs appear, not before, but when these signs come.

5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Idumea is the land south of Judea where the Edomites are, and where Bozrah is. Obadiah shows that the day of the Lord results in the wholesale slaughter of all the descendents of Esau, the Edomites, for their role in the siege of Jerusalem, which I'd argue is the siege of Jerusalem where the Abomination of Desolation takes place. Esau was Jacob's brother, and the Edomites participating in the invasion was a betrayal in the Lord's eyes, so Jesus comes down and specifically kills them. Now the wrath of God with the trumpets and bowls takes place all over the world, but this is a more personal vengeance that Jesus executes. He personally, by Himself, slaughters all the descendants of Esau in Idumea/Edom. Isaiah 63 is about Him coming back from that slaughter.

Now the last verse of this section of Isaiah 34 that I'll quote, the reason why, given in the text:

8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

The wrath of God comes down as a means of vengeance, and it is vengeance for the invasion of Jerusalem and Abomination of Desolation, which begin the great tribulation.

So the Great tribulation is not the wrath of God, the wrath of God is to avenge the great tribulation.

Revelation 6

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

At this point, at the 5th seal, God has not judged the world yet, and has not taken vengeance on those on the Earth. In other words, the first 5 seals are not the wrath of God... but in Revelation 7, those first 5 seals are called great tribulation.

The signs in the 6th seal, are described as happening after the tribulation in Matthew 24:29

So.. up to 6th seal... great tribulation, anything after the 6th seal is not great tribulation because Jesus said those signs happen after the tribulation. So it's over, done.
after 6th seal, God's vengeance because of great tribulation.

Leaf473 · Dec 6, 2022

dfw69 said:
I can’t speak for everyone but for me the great tribulation for the Jews begins when the AOD a golem is set up in the temple

there are 3 types of tribulations I find in scripture

One is found here John 15:20 referring to every day life since Jesus ministry

The next is found in Matthew 24 during the false messianic age brother will betray brother perilous times and tribulations

The next is found in rev with the rise of antichrist as the White horse rider but that seems to be more of a judgement releasing to punish mystery Babylon for persecuting the saints throughout her reign

The last is the great trib in rev 13 when the AOD is set up to destroy all Jews hold on to Jesus expecting his soon return

As well you peace

So the Great tribulation is in Revelation 13, and then is this Jesus coming in Revelation 14?

I looked, and saw a white cloud, and on the cloud one sitting like a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Peace be with you

Leaf473 · Dec 6, 2022

Jamdoc said:
Great Tribulation is not the wrath of God, great tribulation is persecution caused by men and the wrath of God is the response to great tribulation.

Isaiah 34

So this establishes what's happening, the wrath of God

Compare this to Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 6:12-17. It's the same signs... so.. when's the Lord going to deal out His wrath? When these signs appear, not before, but when these signs come.

Idumea is the land south of Judea where the Edomites are, and where Bozrah is. Obadiah shows that the day of the Lord results in the wholesale slaughter of all the descendents of Esau, the Edomites, for their role in the siege of Jerusalem, which I'd argue is the siege of Jerusalem where the Abomination of Desolation takes place. Esau was Jacob's brother, and the Edomites participating in the invasion was a betrayal in the Lord's eyes, so Jesus comes down and specifically kills them. Now the wrath of God with the trumpets and bowls takes place all over the world, but this is a more personal vengeance that Jesus executes. He personally, by Himself, slaughters all the descendants of Esau in Idumea/Edom. Isaiah 63 is about Him coming back from that slaughter.

Now the last verse of this section of Isaiah 34 that I'll quote, the reason why, given in the text:

The wrath of God comes down as a means of vengeance, and it is vengeance for the invasion of Jerusalem and Abomination of Desolation, which begin the great tribulation.

So the Great tribulation is not the wrath of God, the wrath of God is to avenge the great tribulation.

Revelation 6

At this point, at the 5th seal, God has not judged the world yet, and has not taken vengeance on those on the Earth. In other words, the first 5 seals are not the wrath of God... but in Revelation 7, those first 5 seals are called great tribulation.

The signs in the 6th seal, are described as happening after the tribulation in Matthew 24:29

So.. up to 6th seal... great tribulation, anything after the 6th seal is not great tribulation because Jesus said those signs happen after the tribulation. So it's over, done.
after 6th seal, God's vengeance because of great tribulation.

So... Jesus comes at around the sixth seal? That's the end of the Great tribulation?

Peace be with you

DavidPT · Dec 6, 2022

Leaf473 said:
So the Great tribulation is in Revelation 13, and then is this Jesus coming in Revelation 14?

I looked, and saw a white cloud, and on the cloud one sitting like a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Clearly, at least to me anyway, Revelation 13, thus the 42 month reign of the beast, this is meaning the great tribulation. But as to the verse you brought up in Revelation 14, that is an angel in that verse not Jesus. Because it is ludricrous that angels would be giving Jesus orders rather than Jesus giving angels orders. And besides, Jesus already made it crystal clear in Matthew 13 to begin with, who it is that is doing the reaping in the end of this age.

Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world ; and the reapers are the angels
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Let's look at Revelation 14 again, in light of the above I underlined.

Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped

Does not verse 15 indicate that another angel, which BTW, already imlpies that the one in verse 14 is also an angel, gives orders to the one meant in verse 14? And do not those orders involve reaping? And who is that Jesus said in Matthew 13 do the reaping in the end of the age? Did He not say that the angels are the reapers? And did He not also say He is the one that sends them to do this?

Yet, in spite of all this evidence, still there will be those that insist Revelation 14:14 is meaning Jesus, which, if true, equals Jesus is taking orders from angels, which equals Jesus is doing the reaping Himself, which then equals contradicting what He already said in Matthew 13.

And the fact that Revelation 13 obviously involves the 6th trumpet, one can't have the 6th trumpet meaning after the 6th seal since this would contradict where Matthew 24 places it. Matthew 24 places it before the time of the 6th seal, not during or after the time of the 6th seal instead.

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