The Most Passionate Science Deniers Are Pro-Trans ‘Experts’ Who Profit From Carving Up Kids

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The transgender movement has a science problem. Trans activists and their allies are trying to silence their critics by accusing them of “science denialism,” but they are inadvertently illustrating the anti-science nature of transgender dogmas. For example, a recent opinion piece in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) — titled “Protecting Transgender Health and Challenging Science Denialism in Policy” actually demonstrates that rejecting transgender ideology is the best way to protect health and defend scientific integrity.


Of course, the authors, a couple of Yale professors plus a student, set out to prove the opposite.

Transgenderism denigrates the reality of bodily sex in order to exalt a non-corporeal sense of gender identity. It does not make a scientific claim, but a spiritual or metaphysical claim — that we have something like a gendered soul in a sexed body and that mismatches are possible and are best resolved by modifying the body into a facsimile of the other sex.


This extraordinary claim cannot be proven and must be taken on faith. Consequently, transgender advocates and allies, such as those writing in the New England Journal of Medicine, do not even attempt to provide a scientific explanation for transgenderism. Rather, because there is no physical need for medical transition, transgenderism has to be self-authenticating, proving itself by whatever mental health benefits can be attributed to it. This is why trans advocates are constantly (and falsely) telling parents that the alternative to transition is suicide — it’s the only argument they have; the only physical harm that can result from not transitioning is self-harm.

 

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I'd be curious to see the raw data which led to the conclusion in the thread title, assuming there is actually are studies empiricily ranking the passion of various groups of science deniers.
Assuming it isn't simply made up click bait, of course.
 
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"the only physical harm that can result from not transitioning is self-harm."

That does not make the harm imaginary or 'non-scientific'. It's real, supported by data. It is a perfectly valid basis of an argument.

I mean... drug addiction is self-harm. Does that mean we're not supposed to care or do anything?
 
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If this was some paper printed and there was no 'internet" I would question it. Just weeks ago read/watched you know Doctor's and others giving and showing real numbers in the hundreds of thousand's "children" being cut up. These were numbers from you know real hospitals. We can watch video after video of real doctor's nurses in the hospitals making videos on this saying they have to say something.

So yeah as long as I just type here and don't search then.. duh its not real. Its like some lawyers day in day out fighting some states that NOW have a law where the baby can still be aborted up to 28days after birth. Yes there are some reasons as to whey they feel it should be hmm put to sleep (so some feel better) but its the ones ..you know baby that had nothing wrong what so ever and put to sleep. The law is so no one can say question it. Been hearing from them for many many months now week after week.

So yeah the kids being cut up was I think 300k so far. Not one of those numbers was proven false.. it comes from the hospitals lol.
 
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If this was some paper printed and there was no 'internet" I would question it. Just weeks ago read/watched you know Doctor's and others giving and showing real numbers in the hundreds of thousand's "children" being cut up. These were numbers from you know real hospitals. We can watch video after video of real doctor's nurses in the hospitals making videos on this saying they have to say something.

So yeah as long as I just type here and don't search then.. duh its not real. Its like some lawyers day in day out fighting some states that NOW have a law where the baby can still be aborted up to 28days after birth. Yes there are some reasons as to whey they feel it should be hmm put to sleep (so some feel better) but its the ones ..you know baby that had nothing wrong what so ever and put to sleep. The law is so no one can say question it. Been hearing from them for many many months now week after week.

So yeah the kids being cut up was I think 300k so far. Not one of those numbers was proven false.. it comes from the hospitals lol.
Seems like a situation where actual documentation rather than empty might help others appreciate the full scale of the problem. And yet none is provided.
 
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If this was some paper printed and there was no 'internet" I would question it. Just weeks ago read/watched you know Doctor's and others giving and showing real numbers in the hundreds of thousand's "children" being cut up. These were numbers from you know real hospitals. We can watch video after video of real doctor's nurses in the hospitals making videos on this saying they have to say something.

So yeah as long as I just type here and don't search then.. duh its not real. Its like some lawyers day in day out fighting some states that NOW have a law where the baby can still be aborted up to 28days after birth. Yes there are some reasons as to whey they feel it should be hmm put to sleep (so some feel better) but its the ones ..you know baby that had nothing wrong what so ever and put to sleep. The law is so no one can say question it. Been hearing from them for many many months now week after week.

So yeah the kids being cut up was I think 300k so far. Not one of those numbers was proven false.. it comes from the hospitals lol.
No such laws allowing "abortion" 28 day after birth (which would be manslaughter even by the most progressive standards) exist. That's just kooky. Your entire second paragraph is conspiratorial fear mongering. It's all disinformation. It's patently false.

And children being "cut up"?? What a ridiculous hyperbole. You guys act like these hospitals employ Jack the Ripper. They're DOCTORS performing legitimate medical procedures if anything. And NO. No one has to disprove whatever crazy number gets thrown out there or it's true by default. Provide the source and method of how those numbers were compiled/calculated. The claimant needs to justify their claim. Not the other way around.
 
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Transgenderism denigrates the reality of bodily sex in order to exalt a non-corporeal sense of gender identity. It does not make a scientific claim, but a spiritual or metaphysical claim — that we have something like a gendered soul in a sexed body and that mismatches are possible and are best resolved by modifying the body into a facsimile of the other sex.
Yeah, we shouldn't allow claims that are purely spiritual or metaphysical to dictate what happens to people, should we?
 
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The transgender movement has a science problem. Trans activists and their allies are trying to silence their critics by accusing them of “science denialism,” but they are inadvertently illustrating the anti-science nature of transgender dogmas. For example, a recent opinion piece in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) — titled “Protecting Transgender Health and Challenging Science Denialism in Policy” actually demonstrates that rejecting transgender ideology is the best way to protect health and defend scientific integrity.


Of course, the authors, a couple of Yale professors plus a student, set out to prove the opposite.

Transgenderism denigrates the reality of bodily sex in order to exalt a non-corporeal sense of gender identity. It does not make a scientific claim, but a spiritual or metaphysical claim — that we have something like a gendered soul in a sexed body and that mismatches are possible and are best resolved by modifying the body into a facsimile of the other sex.


This extraordinary claim cannot be proven and must be taken on faith. Consequently, transgender advocates and allies, such as those writing in the New England Journal of Medicine, do not even attempt to provide a scientific explanation for transgenderism. Rather, because there is no physical need for medical transition, transgenderism has to be self-authenticating, proving itself by whatever mental health benefits can be attributed to it. This is why trans advocates are constantly (and falsely) telling parents that the alternative to transition is suicide — it’s the only argument they have; the only physical harm that can result from not transitioning is self-harm.

Being curious about the study and uninterested fully, in what the federalist has to say, i clicked on the link to the study. Sadly it was mostly blocked which may be convenient for the liars at the federalist.

This tastey nugget is in the intro

Misused clinical research and disinformation have provided legal cover for bans on gender-affirming health care. Collaboration between medical and legal experts could help defeat such bans.
You'll have to excuse me if I think that the federalist is trying to misrepresent scientists but this article is a wash until I can find this study in its entirety
 
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I prefer mutilating kids cause that's what eed call it if they were chopping off kids arms instead of their breasts.
Yeah, how dare people expect to be able to decide for themselves what happens with their own bodies... What are they thinking?
 
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Yeah, how dare people expect to be able to decide for themselves what happens with their own bodies... What are they thinking?
Transgender sex change operations are illogical, unnecessary and a waste of medical resources.
 
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"the only physical harm that can result from not transitioning is self-harm."

That does not make the harm imaginary or 'non-scientific'. It's real, supported by data. It is a perfectly valid basis of an argument.

I mean... drug addiction is self-harm. Does that mean we're not supposed to care or do anything?
This was the whole sentence:
This is why trans advocates are constantly (and falsely) telling parents that the alternative to transition is suicide — it’s the only argument they have; the only physical harm that can result from not transitioning is self-harm.

Suicide under any circumstance is awful.

Are we saying there is supported data (please link) that shows if you refuse to allow your minor child to transition that they are going to commit suicide? That is a pretty heavy lift.

I mean think of how short of time it has been since society overall has begun dealing with transgender issues. It's not been that long. Studies that are done properly go on for many, many years.

If you have a confused child...there are no other options to help them? There are absolutely NO other avenues to help this poor child? They would need to show data for that too.

What do we do with the detransitioners that clearly have huge regrets over this happening in their life? Does this NOT call for maybe a stop and think that maybe something is wrong here? Goodness knows that they also thinking of self-harm over what happened. Do we just blow them off as anomaly, and not do anything? Remember these were confused people already, and made this HUGE transition...and found it wasn't all that it was promised. Their life are altered forever. That should be a red flag to slow down, and find out how that went wrong.
 
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Yeah, how dare people expect to be able to decide for themselves what happens with their own bodies... What are they thinking?

We aren't speaking of adults here. We are speaking of children. If we don't allow them to buy booze, cigarettes, etc. is that also terrible? We all know there are reasons behind this, but we are suppose to ignore that...because now we are allowing children to do life altering operations?

Now we have a number of children - now adults - that regret transitioning. Do we just tell them - it was their body and they made the decision so deal with it?

Confused people need special care, and we must make sure they realize all the pros and cons of the decision. Remember we can't guarantee them a life of roses and candy afterwards either. I would think you also need some serious psychological help before taking this HUGE leap. Otherwise, we as society can be seen as manipulating them. This is serious business, and people throwing around you are science denier if you don't agree with us? It's shows the immaturity of the debate. That's just childish name calling.

I'm extremely concerned we are going way to fast on this issue considering the after effects it has on people/children's lifes.
 
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Yeah, how dare people expect to be able to decide for themselves what happens with their own bodies... What are they thinking?
The children who are under the age of puberty aren't physiologically capable of deciding for themselves. It's being decided for them.

What are those people thinking?
 
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The children who are under the age of puberty aren't physiologically capable of deciding for themselves. It's being decided for them.

What are those people thinking?
No, it isn't.
 
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No, it isn't.

Yes it is. When children are not capable of consent, they are being pulled along by the transgender activists including psychologists, teachers and doctors and other Two of whom which are being made wealthy by their actions. Others whom are just activists.
 
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Yes it is. When children are not capable of consent, they are being pulled along by the transgender activists including psychologists, teachers and doctors and other Two of whom which are being made wealthy by their actions. Others whom are just activists.
No, it isn't.
 
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