Has anyone noticed the times Russia has taken land from Ukraine?

Gene2memE

Newbie
Oct 22, 2013
4,129
6,341
✟275,673.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
War is the continuation of politics through other means.

Putin didn't invade during the Trump Administration because Russia's basic geopolitical aims concerning Ukraine - and to some extent NATO - were being achieved.

Under Biden, that changed. Western support for Ukraine began to improve and Putin figured a short, sharp invasion was worth the risk before Ukraine got stronger/closer to the West.

In a way it is both terrible and wonderful how he got it wrong.
 
Upvote 0

GoldenBoy89

We're Still Here
Sep 25, 2012
23,848
25,781
LA
✟555,665.00
Country
United States
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
and yet Putin did not attack Ukraine until Biden was in office.
They’ve been at war the entire time. This year’s invasion was a new phase in the same ongoing war since 2014.

The Russo-Ukrainian War[c] has been ongoing between Russia (alongside Russian separatists in Ukraine) and Ukraine since February 2014.[d] Following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, Russia annexed Crimeafrom Ukraine and supported pro-Russian separatists in the war in Donbas against Ukrainian government forces; fighting for the first eight years of the conflict also included naval incidents, cyberwarfare, and heightened political tensions. In February 2022, the conflict saw a major escalation as Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

 
Upvote 0

rambot

Senior Member
Apr 13, 2006
24,790
13,357
Up your nose....wid a rubbah hose.
✟367,433.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Greens
Umm… We sent money and weapons throughout the Trump administration. He was even impeached (the first time) for withholding those funds and weapons from Ukraine.
No he wasn't. That didn't happen

But if it did? It would have been a kangaroo court anyways.

But it didn't.
 
  • Useful
Reactions: DaisyDay
Upvote 0

hislegacy

Memories pre 2021
Site Supporter
Nov 15, 2006
43,917
14,012
Broken Arrow, OK
✟702,093.00
Country
United States
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
They’ve been at war the entire time. This year’s invasion was a new phase in the same ongoing war since 2014.

The Russo-Ukrainian War[c] has been ongoing between Russia (alongside Russian separatists in Ukraine) and Ukraine since February 2014.[d] Following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, Russia annexed Crimeafrom Ukraine and supported pro-Russian separatists in the war in Donbas against Ukrainian government forces; fighting for the first eight years of the conflict also included naval incidents, cyberwarfare, and heightened political tensions. In February 2022, the conflict saw a major escalation as Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

What parts of Ukraine did Russia invade during the Trump administration?

Russia took Crimea during Obama
Russia invaded Ukraine during Biden
 
Upvote 0

DaisyDay

I Did Nothing Wrong!! ~~Team Deep State
Jan 7, 2003
38,079
17,553
Finger Lakes
✟12,354.00
Country
United States
Faith
Unitarian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Yes, we are sending billions is aid. I think it is right. But why was it needed with Obama and Biden but not Trump?
It was needed with Trump - don't you remember the perfect phone call where Trump tried to coerce Zelenskyi into "finding" dirt on Biden's son in exchange for releasing the funds we had appropriated? That was the first impeachment.

I also remember Trump bragging about sending arms to Ukraine while Obama, he claimed, only sent blankets.
 
Upvote 0

hislegacy

Memories pre 2021
Site Supporter
Nov 15, 2006
43,917
14,012
Broken Arrow, OK
✟702,093.00
Country
United States
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
It was needed with Trump - don't you remember the perfect phone call where Trump tried to coerce Zelenskyi into "finding" dirt on Biden's son in exchange for releasing the funds we had appropriated? That was the first impeachment.

I also remember Trump bragging about sending arms to Ukraine while Obama, he claimed, only sent blankets.
And yet...... Russia only invaded during Obama and Biden
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

Rocket surgeon
Mar 11, 2017
14,970
11,953
54
USA
✟300,231.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
2014 Russia invades Crimea and Donbas: Putin is president
2014-2022 Russia occupies Crimea and Donbas: Putin is president
2022 Russia invades more of eastern Ukraine: Putin is president

I think I found the cause.
 
Upvote 0

Homeowner

Well-Known Member
Jan 25, 2022
852
444
48
Oslo
✟23,485.00
Country
Norway
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
Married
Yes, we are sending billions is aid. I think it is right. But why was it needed with Obama and Biden but not Trump?

That is about as sensible as asking why Afghans got tons of money during Trump's presidency but not any more now that Biden is president.

Perhaps geopolitical situations change. Shocker.

For whatever it is worth US will get far better results for its billions in Ukraine than it ever would have in Afganistan.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Brihaha
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
37,578
11,396
✟437,300.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Right, if we're going to assume Putin makes his moves based on the POTUS, then he should have moved when Trump was POTUS. As it is, Putin badly miscalculated the West, and in particular, President Biden's leadership in leading a unified response to the Russian invasion.
Uhhhh....Trump had a degree of wild unpredictability that I can only imagine discouraged foreign leaders from making any aggressive bold moves.

It didn't really matter what Trump said....he would offer to open talks with N Korea one moment....then making excessive threats to the same N Korea. He pulls out of the middle east and ends support for the Kurds....then shoves a missle into the midsection of an Iranian military genius who understood warfare in his region second to no one. Iran called ahead to avoid any continued violence and coordinate their fake response....then shot down a Ukrainian commercial flight on accident.


It was just too difficult to predict how he would react to provocation. He wasn't ashamed to openly murder our enemies in front of the world....nor was he afraid to threaten people with annihilation over perceived slights. Without these things, his pull out of the middle east and peace talks made him seem like a pushover

Everything else just made him seem like he could pop off over minor issues....or because the opportunity arose....with effective precision and no warning. If he's only likely to be there for 4 years, it's an easy choice for enemies....sit still and flatter him.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

wing2000

E pluribus unum
Site Supporter
Aug 18, 2012
20,898
17,260
✟1,427,454.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Uhhhh....Trump had a degree of wild unpredictability that I can only imagine discouraged foreign leaders from making any aggressive bold moves.

It didn't really matter what Trump said....he would offer to open talks with N Korea one moment....then making excessive threats to the same N Korea. He pulls out of the middle east and ends support for the Kurds....then shoves a missle into the midsection of an Iranian military genius who understood warfare in his region second to no one. Iran called ahead to avoid any continued violence and coordinate their fake response....then shot down a Ukrainian commercial flight on accident.


It was just too difficult to predict how he would react to provocation. He wasn't ashamed to openly murder our enemies in front of the world....nor was he afraid to threaten people with annihilation over perceived slights. Without these things, his pull out of the middle east and peace talks made him seem like a pushover

Everything else just made him seem like he could pop off over minor issues....or because the opportunity arose....with effective precision and no warning. If he's only likely to be there for 4 years, it's an easy choice for enemies....sit still and flatter him.

...be that as it may, it also true that Trump could care less about Ukraine or its defense. I think we all (Putin included) know that Trump would not possibly assist Ukraine (or NATO) on principle - it's beyond his transactional way of thinking. We also witnessed how his puppy dog behavior in Helsinki in front of the camera's with Putin. I
 
Upvote 0

Homeowner

Well-Known Member
Jan 25, 2022
852
444
48
Oslo
✟23,485.00
Country
Norway
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
Married
In other words, obvious Russian propaganda is obvious.
Sure but just in case they ever decide to try find something impartial they might pick up something that is real. Admittedly far fetched but you never know.
 
Upvote 0

Yaaten

Active Member
Sep 14, 2022
218
44
56
Victoria
✟18,616.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single


According to Wiki:
"Some have argued that the role of American president Bill Clinton's administration in securing an International Monetary Fund loan for Russia was an act of foreign electoral intervention.[61][62] The topic of American influence on Russian elections is developed in US popular culture, such as in the 2003 comedy Spinning Boris.

Knowing that his voter base was pro-Western, Yeltsin lobbied President Clinton to speak praisefully of Russia's transition to democracy. Yeltsin believed that this would strengthen his support from voters.[63] Yeltsin warned President Clinton of the possible ramifications of a Zyuganov victory, saying, "There is a U.S. press campaign suggesting that people should not be afraid of the communists; that they are good, honorable and kind people. I warn people not to believe this. More than half of them are fanatics; they would destroy everything. It would mean civil war. They would abolish the boundaries between the republics. They want to take back Crimea; they even make claims against Alaska. ... There are two paths for Russia's development. I do not need power. But when I felt the threat of communism, I decided that I had to run. We will prevent it."[64]

In their conversations, President Clinton assured Yeltsin that he would give him his publicly declared personal endorsement, saying, "I've been trying to find a way to say to the Russian people 'this election will have consequences,' and we are clear about what it is we support."[64][65] Yeltsin made other requests, such as admission into the G8 (not granted), a $2.5 billion direct cash loan to the government (not granted), and a delay in NATO expansion (granted). Clinton refrained from covert operations, avoiding potential backlash if discovered.[66]

In January 1997, noting the support Yeltsin had received in 1996 from the Clinton administration, former candidate Alexander Lebed visited the United States to rally support from American businesses for a potential run in the 2000 Russian presidential election. As one analyst wrote at the time (of Lebed): "He may perceive that Yeltsin benefited greatly from support from the Americans in the last campaign. Bill Clinton made a trip to Moscow during the campaign. And the International Monetary Fund extended loans that enabled the Government to make credible promises to pay wages."

Spinning Boris - they even had the audacity to make a movie about it!
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Yaaten

Active Member
Sep 14, 2022
218
44
56
Victoria
✟18,616.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Sure but just in case they ever decide to try find something impartial they might pick up something that is real. Admittedly far fetched but you never know.
Far-fetched? Really? WHY? Oh, that's right, you Yanks are the "good guys" (at least Hollywood says so). Well, the rest of the world (you know, the world beyond the borders of the U.S.) don't accept the silly lies you people like to tell yourselves.
 
Upvote 0

Larniavc

Leading a blameless life
Jul 14, 2015
12,340
7,679
51
✟314,979.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
UK-Liberal-Democrats
:) anyone notice how Ukraine keeps begging for money from US and we keep giving it.
My guy, they’ve been invade and Russia is trying to bomb them into submission. Did you not realise that is why they are begging for resources?
 
Upvote 0

wing2000

E pluribus unum
Site Supporter
Aug 18, 2012
20,898
17,260
✟1,427,454.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Anyone notice how various U.S. administrations, regardless of whether they are 'Republican' or 'Democrat', tend not to have the capacity to refrain from invading, bombing, or rigging the elections of any nation they think it's in the interests of the United States to do so? You know, like the Russian elections of 1996 (rigged by the CIA) that saw the return of that drunken buffoon Yeltsin.

Yes, I have noticed. Do you think Putin invaded Ukraine because of US meddling...in Ukraine?
 
Upvote 0

KCfromNC

Regular Member
Apr 18, 2007
28,643
15,977
✟486,822.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
No, not "propaganda". The TRUTH!
Based on a wiki article starting with the line "Some have argued". Yep, no chance of that being anything but an undeniable absolutely true statement. Or at least "many people are saying" it is.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

rambot

Senior Member
Apr 13, 2006
24,790
13,357
Up your nose....wid a rubbah hose.
✟367,433.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Greens
Yes, we are sending billions is aid. I think it is right. But why was it needed with Obama and Biden but not Trump?
I donr think that's a matter of need so much as Trumps admiration for putin.
 
Upvote 0