Why does it seem Feminism,Lesbianism and Androphobia go hand in hand?

Estrid said:

Of course

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Did you find it was helpful? I know "time heals all wounds" may sound clichee. However I know there is a world of hurt behind your experience and I am sure you know that most men are not like that and you got involved with a bad actor. Did you express that sentiment to your counsellor? What did he/she say?

BPPLEE said:

I haven’t been without a relationship since I was a teenager but I still haven’t figured out what women want. Good luck with that.

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Different women want different things, obviously. I hope you have figured out what your wife wants, at least.

Juan777 said:

Did you find it was helpful? I know "time heals all wounds" may sound clichee. However I know there is a world of hurt behind your experience and I am sure you know that most men are not like that and you got involved with a bad actor. Did you express that sentiment to your counsellor? What did he/she say?

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This isnt a place for that

DaisyDay said:

Different women want different things, obviously. I hope you have figured out what your wife wants, at least.

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You’re right different women want different things.

Estrid said:

This isnt a place for that

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Okay, I guess it isn't then.

Estrid said:

I'm very lucky to even be alive. Leave it at that

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I’m sorry to hear that. I dealt with that a lot in law enforcement. I’m glad you got out of the situation. So many don’t.

BPPLEE said:

I’m sorry to hear that. I dealt with that a lot in law enforcement. I’m glad you got out of the situation. So many don’t.

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Thanks for the thought. Very few escape a sadist.
Not that I will ever really get away, but I'm alive.

Marcel_Prix said:

I think guys, that's the problem in American Society. People blame those who are not successful as its entirely their fault for their lack of success. More so men who neither right wingers nor left wingers have any empathy towards. When in fact there are factors at play that make it so. For instance, if you live in a culture that is showered with androphobia, lesbianism and one night stands, then its unsurprising that it'll be very hard for you to succeed.

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But don't you see? This is just nature's way of making sure that bad genes get deleted from the gene pool. For a social species like homo sapiens sapiens not to go extinct only quick thinking, charismatic, successful people will get to pass their genes on through the generations.

The kind of men you refer to are unable to adapt to a changing environment. These men are undesirable for a reason: they lack wits, social and material acumen, an ability to make a potential partner feel comfortable (whether by boorish behaviour, poor personal hygiene or just not having anything to bring to the conversational table) and any number of traits that a partner might find attractive.

They is an unlimited number of ways a person can make themselves desirable: but the common through line of incels and similar losers is that it is not they who have the problem but people who don't find reeking, boorish misanthropes attractive.

To once again quote the lat 20th century poet philosopher Martin Gore: "don't just stand there and shout it; do something about it".

By that I mean improve yourself, not go crazy eight bonkers with and drill and guns in your old high school.

Larnievc said:

But don't you see? This is just nature's way of making sure that bad genes get deleted from the gene pool. For a social species like homo sapiens sapiens not to go extinct only quick thinking, charismatic, successful people will get to pass their genes on through the generations.

The kind of men you refer to are unable to adapt to a changing environment. These men are undesirable for a reason: they lack wits, social and material acumen, an ability to make a potential partner feel comfortable (whether by boorish behaviour, poor personal hygiene or just not having anything to bring to the conversational table) and any number of traits that a partner might find attractive.

They is an unlimited number of ways a person can make themselves desirable: but the common through line of incels and similar losers is that it is not they who have the problem but people who don't find reeking, boorish misanthropes attractive.

To once again quote the lat 20th century poet philosopher Martin Gore: "don't just stand there and shout it; do something about it".

By that I mean improve yourself, not go crazy eight bonkers with and drill and guns in your old high school.

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There are plenty of men who do not have the fittest traits desirable for the survival of the human species or even the ability to hold down a job who breed and have children then can’t support them. The government supports their children for them. It’s called Aid For Dependent Children

Marcel_Prix said:

Hey guys,
This is a connection that many people fail to account to. Once you start going the Feminist route that leads to an excessive identification with one's own gender. To the point where some women in a feminist society

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That's a stretch, isn't it?

A lot of the Ancient Mediterranean was a matrilineal society, but I don't think anyone would have called them Feminist.
Come to think of it, I doubt they'd've called the invading patriarchal Central Asian tribes Masculinist.
Today, they'd probably just call the patriarchal societies the good-old-boys-network.

BPPLEE said:

There are plenty of men who do not have the fittest traits desirable for the survival of the human species or even the ability to hold down a job who breed and have children then can’t support them. The government supports their children for them. It’s called Aid For Dependent Children

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Exactly. Just look at some of the great people who made scientific discoveries, inventions or composed great music. They had no women and made the world a better place. In fact there is an population explosion in the third world developing countries while birth rates in Western countries are on the decline. All of these things counter these feminazi arguments you hear here.

BPPLEE said:

There are plenty of men who do not have the fittest traits desirable for the survival of the human species or even the ability to hold down a job who breed and have children then can’t support them. The government supports their children for them. It’s called Aid For Dependent Children

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That program is long gone.

RDKirk said:

That program is long gone.

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What do they call it now? My lack of knowledge about current government programs aside the point is there are plenty of men who are not the best suited to survive who manage to attract women and have children.

BPPLEE said:

There are plenty of men who do not have the fittest traits desirable for the survival of the human species or even the ability to hold down a job who breed and have children then can’t support them. The government supports their children for them. It’s called Aid For Dependent Children

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By definition they are not incel mgtow losers, though, are they?

They are normal losers.

Juan777 said:

Just look at some of the great people who made scientific discoveries, inventions or composed great music.

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Genius’ and prodigies of the past are very different to the feckless, talentless no hopers moaning about not being attractive to ‘femoids’ or how terrible the ‘normies’ are to them.

Larnievc said:

By definition they are not incel mgtow losers, though, are they?

They are normal losers.

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They still affect the gene pool

BPPLEE said:

They still affect the gene pool

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That’s true. But the important part is fewer people who are incels passing on their genes.

Larnievc said:

Genius’ and prodigies of the past are very different to the feckless, talentless no hopers moaning about not being attractive to ‘femoids’ or how terrible the ‘normies’ are to them.

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You dont get to say they are different when you are making these type of arguments. That is a cop out.

Concerning threads like this it is important that we keep things in perspective. The phenomenon of genetically unfit people being angry with the reality that they have trouble attracting high quality mates is hardly a male only thing. There are plenty of spaces where the equivalent of incel women (some self-identifying as such) bemoan the fact that they have trouble finding tall and successful men to settle down with.

Ironically despite what incels and many feminists want you to believe, we don't live in a society where men are on a scale of 1-10 and women are all equally valuable. There are men who work at Walmart, and women who can only attract Walmart workers.

An Okcupid study often touted by incels is that women find 80% of men as below average. Something I agree with, but not for the reasons many incels state. I don't see this as indicating that women place more importance on their partner's looks compared to men, but the other way around. Historically there has been heavier evolutionary selective pressure for men to select physically attractive women than vice versa. The consequences of this being that the average attractive level of women is understandably more common than the average attractiveness of men. There simply are not enough good-looking guys around, and the few men who are attractive will be heavier cherished as a consequence of this rarity. On the opposite side women who are below average in attractive will stick out more as a sore thumb than an unattractive man.

I do believe women; even ugly women have an easier time getting sex compared to men even attractive men. But when it comes to settling down and having someone actually cherish them besides being an over glorified sex toy, there are plenty of women around who feel inadequate themselves and are just as human as men and prone to anger and entitlement thinking. We need to be as harsh and dismissive with these loser women as we are with loser men.

Women's attractive is not a trivial thing nor extremely flexible regarding the social norms of society. Men highly value women with neotenous traits, traits that illicit help and sympathy. Traits that have just the same important survival benefits as women desiring taller men for protection and status. An attractive (a highly neotenous) woman will be more apt to receive support regarding things like pregnancy and child rearing compared to less neotenous (ugly) women. The idea that men can be socially programmed to find any woman equally attractive is just nonsense. Complaining and shaming men to do so isn't any different than the entitlement attitudes you see from some incels. Even then.. from my experience with those incel communities, most seem the opposite of entitled and instead fully state that they are aware that they are losers, and no woman will ever want them. Instead adopting a black pill "doomer" mentality. They view things as more concrete and a matter of brutal mother nature. While the incel women I see, seems to think that the selective pressures they face must be due to misogyny and that society can change.

MehGuy said:

But when it comes to settling down and having someone actually cherish them besides being an over glorified sex toy, there are plenty of women around who feel inadequate themselves and are just as human as men and prone to anger and entitlement thinking. We need to be as harsh and dismissive with these loser women as we are with loser men.

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Exactly. In fact there is a proliferation of youtube videos and Tic Tok out of women who have hit the wall and are now lonely and regret wasting their younger years getting sexed up with the wrong guys and ignoring the type of decent guys they had a chance of entering a long term relationship/marriage with and who don't want them anymore because they are all used up. There are youtube vids of Filipina women who are welcoming of Western guys who have been ignored from the dating market at home and who are able to cook, clean and perform wifey duties that entitled women can't or won't do. When men make a choice not to deal with these types of women then they are MGTOWs, and when its a critical mass of guys then it becomes part of the manosphere. You can't shame guys into buying in to an unfair legal system, entitled women that have been through hordes of guys, and then saying they have to self-improve to have a chance of getting into more trouble in their otherwise simple life. Incels are actually more positive towards women than MGTOW since they are still willing to give women a chance if someone were to really take them on. MGTOW just sees they are trouble and will worsen your life.