How many here had the bible "come alive" for them when they were born again?

Pipp@ said:

I've heard this happens to people, but I've yet to meet any personally and it hasn't happened to me... the only part of scripture I completely understand and affected my heart are the 4 Gospels. The rest is still the same old book it was when I grew up in religion.

Did you have it come alive for you when you were born again, did it reveal something you hadn't seen in it previously?

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I came alive with His Spirit however scripture was still difficult until I switched from KJV to an easier translation. Also, my understanding grew exponentially when I removed various theological lenses and decided to study scripture topically and historically rather than constantly trying to fit it into current events.
Blessings.

Pipp@ said:

I've heard this happens to people, but I've yet to meet any personally and it hasn't happened to me... the only part of scripture I completely understand and affected my heart are the 4 Gospels. The rest is still the same old book it was when I grew up in religion.

Did you have it come alive for you when you were born again, did it reveal something you hadn't seen in it previously?

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I suppose I could say that, in a certain way, the Bible came alive for me when I became "born again."

But honestly, my fascination with it at the time was probably because much of it was new to me in those initial readings. I didn't have the luxury of growing up in an evangelical or mainstream church setting since my family was more or less liberal and engaged Christianity in a minimalistic way.

Pipp@ said:

I've heard this happens to people, but I've yet to meet any personally and it hasn't happened to me... the only part of scripture I completely understand and affected my heart are the 4 Gospels. The rest is still the same old book it was when I grew up in religion.

Did you have it come alive for you when you were born again, did it reveal something you hadn't seen in it previously?

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I found more joy after learning the meanings of the words, more joy after learning geographical and historical context and more joy when I found practicing a teaching was productive.

At times I have been far from the will of God, other times believed God was intervening on my behalf.

Luke wrote a Gospel. He also wrote Acts of the Apostles. Paul mentioned Luke as the only one with him in 2 Timothy. Paul wrote 2 Timothy from house arrest or prison as he mentioned his chains. Scholars stated this was the last letter we have from Paul. Tradition states Paul was executed during the reign of Nero.

The Roman historian Tacitus described the bloody reign of Nero. Nero was bisexual. He blamed a fire in Rome on Christians and executed them.

Pipp@ said:

I've heard this happens to people, but I've yet to meet any personally and it hasn't happened to me... the only part of scripture I completely understand and affected my heart are the 4 Gospels. The rest is still the same old book it was when I grew up in religion.

Did you have it come alive for you when you were born again, did it reveal something you hadn't seen in it previously?

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After I was Powerfully Indwelt by the Holy Spirit, Circumcised of the Sinful Nature, and Purified, I realized that I needed to take the Bible seriously. For the first 49 years of my life, I thought I understood the Bible well, but I didn't. In fact, I even felt that I was a "master" of certain doctrines. The Truth? I didn't have a clue as to what the Bible was about.

When I realized that the True Gospel is best explained by discussing the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Effect of Christ, this is not only when the New Testament began to make True sense, but the Old Testament as well. In fact, I had never read the Old Testament, and not even in its "out of order" books and letters.

After my Powerful Spiritual experience, I realized that I needed to understand the True Gospel of Jesus Christ, and not the watered-down versions that "christians" possess. I needed to know, for sure, what the Truth was/is. So, I dropped all previous ideas and teachings that I have spent thousands of hours listening to, pondering, and even writing about . . . and started all over. This time, I depended upon the Holy Spirit to teach and guide me instead of depending upon the teachings of humans. When I did this, I walked away with a completely, I mean TOTALLY different view of the Bible and what its core Message really is. One hint to the Core message of the Bible can be found in the below passages. When we understand "why" there is neither Greek nor Jew in Christ, this is when we might actually understand the True Gospel.

Galatians 3:28 CSB - "There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Pipp@ said:

I've heard this happens to people, but I've yet to meet any personally and it hasn't happened to me... the only part of scripture I completely understand and affected my heart are the 4 Gospels. The rest is still the same old book it was when I grew up in religion.

Did you have it come alive for you when you were born again, did it reveal something you hadn't seen in it previously?

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Ask Him to make/have His word come alive to you. You ask according to what He said. You ask knowing He heard you, knowing He has made it come to life. Did He not say what ever you ask in prayer believe you receive it you shall have it. There is no time and space when we pray. When we pray He hears and answers before we finish asking. We forget this. Asking for His word to come alive is in line with the word. It is what He wants. He is that word that word is alive. Luke 11:13 if He said it that was enough for me. Remember what He has done for one He will do for all. There is no one more special then the other.

Pipp@ said:

I've heard this happens to people, but I've yet to meet any personally and it hasn't happened to me... the only part of scripture I completely understand and affected my heart are the 4 Gospels. The rest is still the same old book it was when I grew up in religion.

Did you have it come alive for you when you were born again, did it reveal something you hadn't seen in it previously?

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I recall having to pray for this, it was well after being born again.

Pipp@ said:

I take that passage to mean we're all equal in the eyes of God.

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Hello Pipp!

Thanks for allowing me to share this perspective.

For there to be neither male, female, Greek, Jew, Slave or Free in Christ, there must be at least one common denominator.

I find the answer by asking myself, "What is the Purpose of Christ? What is the Work of Christ?"

The Purpose of Christ is to Redeem the Holy Elect from the Curse established by God because of what Adam and Eve had done so long ago. And the Work of Christ? First, Spiritual Circumcision. Scripture tells us that this act of Jesus transfers a person from Spiritual death to Spiritual Life.

Colossians 2:10-11, 13 NLT - "So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature." ... 13 "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

And there we have the common denominator . . . Spiritual Circumcision. If a person is separated from the Curse by Christ, they have been Purified by Christ. Jesus then grants the ability to Spiritually turn and Repent. The Spirit is also granted, and as Colossians 2:10 states, the Circumcision of Christ is what makes a person complete.

Those who are Spiritually Circumcised of the Sinful Nature, they are the ones who inherit Eternal Life.

Pipp@ said:

How did you manage to set aside your previous knowledge of scripture and look at the bible with new eyes?

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That's an amazing question. No one has ever asked me that. Well, I have an absolutely mind-blowing Spiritual Experience. In short, my Indwelling so was incredible, as I felt the Raw, Almighty Power of God to the degree that if He had shared more of Himself, I would have died. At least it would have been the most wonderful death imaginable. The Lord's Peace and Love were so strong, that it was Utterly Powerful. I wished the Lord would have taken me that day. Mmm . . . I know what awaits me and I am absolutely ready to go whenever He desires.

Now, having such an incredible experience, I began taking the Bible more seriously. I was drawn to it as never before. The Lord then implanted into my mind that I needed to read all of Paul's letters in a timeline, chronological order. It is incredible to watch him grow and change in his approach to trouble. Once I realized how valuable it was to read of his life in time order, it only made sense that I do this with the Entire Bible.

This experience left me totally humbled. I knew that I needed to drop everything I had ever heard, learned, or taught about the Bible. None of it mattered. I literally shut it out of my mind and began reading the Bible so that I could find out who this Powerful, Almighty God is who encapsulated me within His Holy Spirit.

The Result:
After a couple of years and reading the entire Bible in a timeline, Chronological order, I had an entirely new concept, vision, and understanding of the Bible. For the first forty-nine years of my life, I belonged to the Church and felt that I was pretty wise to the Scriptures. The problem is that I only kinda knew the New Testament. I can honestly say that I didn't have a stinkin' clue as to what was going on within the New Testament. Sure, I saw all the same things everyone else sees (and goes round and round about), but I see things at a deeper level . . . and this is the Mysterious Plan that Paul spoke about.

Ephesians 3:9 NLT - 9 "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning."
Ephesians 6:19 NLT - 19 "And pray for me, too. Ask God to give me the right words so I can boldly explain God's mysterious plan that the Good News is for Jews and Gentiles alike."
Colossians 2:2 NLT - 2 "I want them to be encouraged and knit together by strong ties of love. I want them to have complete confidence that they understand God's mysterious plan, which is Christ himself."

So, this Plan has been kept secret. Paul asks that his friends pray because explaining this Plan, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is not an easy thing to explain. The Gospel can be explained and shown through the Old Testament, spending hours and hours digging into it. But one thing is certain, Paul wants believers to feel confident that they understand this Plan, which again . . . is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

When those words struck me, the "Investigator" came out of me, and I had, to be honest, ask admit that I did not know what this Mysterious Plan was all about. These clues are here, and if we Love God, we will need to know and understand him through His Word.

Pipp@ said:

Do you believe the circumcision is instant when we come to Christ or he works it out within us over time?
When I first came to Christ, I was hearing him a lot. It's funny you write this here, because as I was under spiritual attack, I kept having the word 'circumcision' come into my mind along with the image (sounds gross to say it), I assumed it was from the enemy along with everything else (I have been attacked in the mind a lot over recent years). So much so, I believed I had developed OCD symptoms.

Anyway, I later was reading scripture and then it made sense, but I thought it literally meant cutting away (dying to) the flesh. Your perspective makes sense to me in the sense that God has been doing a work in me the past year, and I can look back now and see what a very dark/distorted viewpoint I had, but I am still a "work in progress".


The "sinful" nature being internal (mind & emotions that the human will is born from) do you mean, or do you mean something else?


I have tried to go to church, to bible study etc to seek help with understanding the bible in the order you speak of - but everyone seems to relate scripture to themselves and apply it to their own lives instead of learning about Jesus - because isn't it true the whole of scripture points to him?
The thing also is, I've always been a bit of a "dreamer", I never could put my mind to serious study for any length of time, especially if I didn't really understand the subject.

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Pipp, these are great questions, and they say A LOT about you and where you are with Christ. This is a great thing!

Unfortunately, I am off work at 5 pm and then need to come home, get things done, and then get to bed asap as I would like to be back to work at 4 am (if possible). These flip-flop shifts aren't easy. So what I'm trying to say is that I might not be able to give you a full reply until Saturday afternoon/evening.

I am looking forward to answering your questions!

David

Pipp@ said:

Do you believe the circumcision is instant when we come to Christ or he works it out within us over time?
When I first came to Christ, I was hearing him a lot. It's funny you write this here, because as I was under spiritual attack, I kept having the word 'circumcision' come into my mind along with the image (sounds gross to say it), I assumed it was from the enemy along with everything else (I have been attacked in the mind a lot over recent years). So much so, I believed I had developed OCD symptoms.

Anyway, I later was reading scripture and then it made sense, but I thought it literally meant cutting away (dying to) the flesh. Your perspective makes sense to me in the sense that God has been doing a work in me the past year, and I can look back now and see what a very dark/distorted viewpoint I had, but I am still a "work in progress".


The "sinful" nature being internal (mind & emotions that the human will is born from) do you mean, or do you mean something else?


I have tried to go to church, to bible study etc to seek help with understanding the bible in the order you speak of - but everyone seems to relate scripture to themselves and apply it to their own lives instead of learning about Jesus - because isn't it true the whole of scripture points to him?
The thing also is, I've always been a bit of a "dreamer", I never could put my mind to serious study for any length of time, especially if I didn't really understand the subject.

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Hi there,

Yes. When a person “comes to Christ,” this is also what it means to be “known by Christ,” or receive His Spiritual Circumcision, or “sees the light,” . . . you get the point. No one can be “pure” as was Abraham, if they remain under the Curse of the Lord. I suppose that one could say that this Curse essentially means that God abandoned us to Satan as our Spiritual Father. As 2nd Timothy 2:25-26 suggests, those who are lost are actually held captive by Satan to do as he wills.

Colossians 2:9-15 outlines the remarkable Gospel in a very short and brief set of Seven verses. Verse 13 shows us that the Circumcision of Christ results in being transferred from Spiritual death to Spiritual Life. I can’t imagine a more important set of verses in the entire Bible. Believe me, I’ve been searching for something more important than Col 2:9-15, scrutinizing each word and concept of the Bible.

As for you imaginations of physical circumcision, perhaps this was the Lord pointing you to a future Truth?

You wrote: “Anyway, I later was reading scripture and then it made sense, but I thought it literally meant cutting away (dying to) the flesh.”

You’re getting this figured out! Let’s look at Colossians 2:13 and its reference to “death.”

Colossians 2:13 NKJV – “And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses . . .”

Like I said, you’re figuring this out in that of course we weren’t physically dead! This is referring to Spiritual death because of sinful Flesh, AKA the Sinful Nature, AKA Sarx, the Greek word that expresses the concept of the sinful state, or condition, of sinful humans.

One of our tasks as Truth Seekers of Christ is to do our best to realize when the word “Flesh” is referring to the sinful state, or condition of a person, and actual physical flesh. Getting these things sorted out will help immensely in furthering our understanding of God’s Holy Word.

And that is GREAT that you see a strong difference in who you are over this last year! That, my friend, is the Holy Work of Christ within you.

You wrote: “The "sinful" nature being internal (mind & emotions that the human will is born from) do you mean, or do you mean something else?”

The Sinful Nature can be paraphrased in this way . . . those who still possess this Nature are simply pre-dispositioned to do the evil will of Satan. When Adam and Eve’s eyes were opened to evil, this “opening” was passed down to all people. Essentially, God turned us over to Satan and the only way “back” is through the Work of Jesus Christ. He is our Redeemer!

Look at Galatians chapter 3 regarding this matter:

Galatians 3:13 NLT – “But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Only the NLT phrases this incredible verse in this way, whereas all others state that the Law is a Curse. That’s insane! The Law is lovely and good! “Thou shalt not murder” is a Curse? No, it is. The NLT translation has this one right as it fits in with the full context of the entire Bible, which is can be summed up in three essentials of Christ. They are:

• The Purpose of Christ
• The Work of Christ
• The Effect of Christ

So, the Human Nature is separate and different from the Sinful Nature, otherwise, the Human Nature that Jesus held would make Him just as corrupt as ourselves . . . and that’s not accurate. The Human Nature is to be a servant, and we see this with Christ.

Romans 9:5 NLT – “Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.”

If Jesus had a Human Nature, then we should probably stop referring to the Human Nature as something corrupt and evil. Yes, this is certainly an inconsistency between the translations. As we said earlier, the Human Nature is that of a Servant, and that’s exactly what we see in Christ, for He came to serve His Father in Heaven and not Himself.

Luke 22:42 KJV – “Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”

You wrote:

“I have tried to go to church, to bible study etc to seek help with understanding the bible in the order you speak of - but everyone seems to relate scripture to themselves and apply it to their own lives instead of learning about Jesus . . .”

My friend, this is deeply profound and it is my opinion that God has turned your “light switch” to the “on” position! This is a massive problem in that everyone here claims that they are a True Christian. Therefore, we all look at the condition of our lives and then shape and form the Scriptures to meet the condition of our lives instead of looking at the passages that speak clearly about being Transformed. Well, what if a person hasn’t Transformed? In this case, that person would teach Holy Salvation even without Transformation. And those who do not believe that Transformation is necessary, these are the same ones who will deny and reject the clear teaching of Spiritual Circumcision.

Lastly, you wrote:

“The thing also is, I've always been a bit of a "dreamer", I never could put my mind to serious study for any length of time, especially if I didn't really understand the subject.”

That is EXACTLY describing my former self. But once I began to get these critical “things” figured out, the Bible became incredibly exciting. I cannot tell you how much I love our Holy Book! It is the single most incredible literature this world will ever possess. It is Truly unbelievable.

David

Pipp@ said:

It's interesting you mention the NLT, I only ever tried reading the KJV (because it's always been the most common) I could never get on board with old English so I wanted modern language and a translation as close to the original Hebrew as possible. After much research it seemed the NLT was the right version for me...

Funny story, I had a bird outside my door one morning and I just told God outloud that I always loved birds and thanked him for creating them... the next day I went to church and a lady there had bought me an NLT bible with a bird on it that had the story of the bible within the outline. I couldn't believe it I was so wrapped!


That's interesting, I will have to think over this.


Before and after I came to Christ I was under spiritual attack... I had a lot of supernatural kinds of things occurring at the time, such as my eyes zooming in and out on words on external signs in the environment (not something I was actively seeking I assure you), it was pretty difficult because I still had to go through my day as if everything was completely "normal", I was constantly internally questioning God and asking him what was happening and I couldn't deal with any of this anymore, I was in the supermarket checkout line and my eyes were drawn and zoomed into the word "transformation". I don’t know if you ever have had any experiences similar but I was very much "natural" world kind of person, so the supernatural stuff felt like the world tilting on its axis... coo-coo as it sounds, your response really helps me to see that I have been understanding the Lords references to scripture in these experiences.... so thank you David, your openness to discuss such matters and your insight into the scripture has been a massive help to me

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My friend, no . . . I haven't had the cool zooming in and out on key Spiritual Words. BUT . . . I would have loved that! And now in hindsight, I'll bet you're thankful.

I like the things that you're writing . . . they are extremely exciting as I believe that God is pointing YOU in the right direction.

BTW: My two favorite translations are the KJV and the NLT. I don't know why it is, but all passages that deal with Spiritual Circumcision are as clear as can be. The English isn't "old" at all, but simple to read and understand just like the NLT. Below is a classic example:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]."

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

Well, maybe not Deut 30:6.

Pipp@ said:

Trust me, there was nothing "cool" about the experience as it felt as if the "world as I knew it" was disintegrating around me... I've come to realise now that our view of "reality" is very linear... Many of us are blind to the fact that reality is duality, natural and supernatural exists simultaneously.
I am glad the worst of those experiences are over now because I much prefer a calm and simple life (although that's far from the truth of our world, I know).


God had done exactly this in the beginning (gave me a new heart) all the bitterness and unforgiveness I was holding on to I didn't realise until I asked him to help me, I went to sleep and woke up and felt like my heart did as a child. It was amazing...

Do you think that sanctification/circumcision is immediate upon coming to Christ or is it a process? I'm beginning to think it depends on the individual how God transforms each one. Do you think someone can quench the Holy Spirit and continue in their own will at any point, or do you believe once God starts a work in us he finishes it?

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Great post!

For sure, the vision aspect of your circumstance sounds horrific. Yikes. I think I was more focusing on how you were being directed to certain words (likely by God).

I have felt both the Terror of the Lord AND the overriding Peace and Love of God. The Terror of the Lord is beyond human comprehension, for it is the evil Spirit world being unleashed upon you (to a controlled degree). There is nothing we can experience in the world that can be worse than Spiritual Terror. This Peace and Love was the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, whieh means that I was also Circumcised of the Sinful Nature at that point. It was that Day that I began to Transform. Experiencing the Spirit world for nearly ten minutes, I agree with you in that most are unable to comprehend the fact that the Spirit World is all around us. God can locate us anywhere we might be, even in the fastest of aircraft, speed has no impact on God's ability to control and communicate with you. We are watched . . . we are on display.

Paul said:

Ephesians 3:8-10 NLT - "Though I am the least deserving of all God's people, he graciously gave me the privilege of telling the Gentiles about the endless treasures available to them in Christ. I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places."

We are display. We are literally a Work of God by which He demonstrates His incredible Power.

Circumcision of the Heart is instant. Just as quickly as the Curse was applied, the Curse is lifted. When Christ Circumcises our Hearts, our Sinful Nature is replaced with the Divine Nature. We retain our Human Nature, for it is this Nature that Serves either of the two Spiritual Natures.

2 Peter 1:4 NLT - "And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world's corruption caused by human desires."

No one can serve two masters. In fact, we're told that if we're not controlled by the Spirit, then we don't belong to Him at all.

Romans 8:9 NLT - "But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)"

If a person possesses the Spirit of Christ, they certainly have had their Hearts Circumcised of Him. Circumcised of what? The Sinful Nature. There is absolutely no way that the Holy Spirit would ever share the same Temple as with the Devil. 2nd Timothy 2:26 tells us that people are held captive by Satan to do his will. If a person can flip flop back and forth from serving God or serving the Devil, then the Devil couldn't possibly have anyone help "captive" to perform his evil will. If a person could Truly Serve the Spirit, then they were never ACTUALLY held captive.

Sanctification is the process of Transformation. And, in my opinion, this is a process that will likely extend until the day we die. We were nearly perfect as little children, but as we became older and older, we realized more and more how corrupt and immature "adults" were. We watched them and were taught about sin; adults ruined us as children, for we desired the corruption that they were involved with themselves. We began to lust after the "flesh" life more and more and more and more. Eventually as adults, many of us indulge in the most vile of lifestyles, usually revolving around sexual conquests.

Here is a great passage for understanding Sanctification:

2 Corinthians 3:18 NLT - "So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord--who is the Spirit--makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image."

By the way, the Veil being removed as mentioned above . . . that "Veil" is the removal of the Sinful Nature. 2 Cor 3:18 points directly to the Circumcision of Christ as clearly described in Colossians 2:9-15. It is important that we understand Moses in the Old Testament and what his glowing face and Veil means and represents for us today, and how it relates to the New Testmant and Holy Salvation.

I definitely believes that God will complete His Work in all that He gave to His Son, Jesus. For, Jesus said that He shall lose not even one. I believe Him.

I believe that the Spirit is Quenched every time a True Christian sins. Aren't we thankful for Christ on the Cross? Whew. I sure am!

As for "free will," the Bible is absolutely clear that we humans have a limited sense of "free will." We are either controlled by our Father the Devil or we are controlled by the Holy Spirit. There are no other options. The Human Nature Serves whatever Spiritual Father it possesses.

John 8:44 NLT - "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."

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Same here. The terror of the Lord is like nothing else, once we understand everything is under his power and control, it's certainly humbling.
I think "fear of the Lord" is to do with this aspect of his nature, he is God Almighty.
The evil spirit world being unleashed on me was longer than 10 minutes, it lasted 6 months... but God and his love was there in the midst of it all after I came to Christ. I think it was a demonstration in realising he is in complete control and I could no longer "protect" myself the way I was use to and how to rely on him and not my own understanding, and it was a test as well.


Yes for "nothing is hidden from his sight".


Hmm... what is your take on addiction? How is the circumcision and sanctification possible if you suggest that everything in the human nature serves the darkness or the light? I don’t think everyone who comes to Christ deliberately does this.


I was shown this so I get it but do you believe God finishes what he starts if we fall into sin?


So you assume we "possess" one or the other? That's a pretty black and white view, I have heard so many stories where people who come to the Lord still struggle with sin, yet he is still working in their lives

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You wrote:
“The evil spirit world being unleashed on me was longer than 10 minutes, it lasted 6 months”

What I’m talking about is 10 minutes of near-death experience. It is impossible to be so close to God and live.

You wrote:
“Hmm... what is your take on addiction?”

I guess that I don’t really have one other than . . . Addiction is addiction, and when it comes to physical gratification, nearly all men are definitely addicted, even after Purification. I still crave the physical attention of a woman, thus Paul said . . .

1 Corinthians 7:8-9 NKJV – “But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.”

From the above Scripture, it seems that we can all gather that just because a man wants physical touch doesn’t mean that he’s going to hell.

You asked:
“How is the circumcision and sanctification possible if you suggest that everything in the human nature serves the darkness or the light?”

I’m sorry, but the question doesn’t really make sense (at least to me). I’m sorry.

Wrote asked:
“I was shown this so I get it but do you believe God finishes what he starts if we fall into sin?”

Yes, my answer is the same as before. Philippians 1:6 NLT – “And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.”

If Paul is certain of these things, then so am I.

Regarding humans possessing either Satan or Christ as their Spiritual Father . . . there is simply no other option (according to the Bible). If there is another that the Human Nature can serve, my eyes are ready to read the Scripture that indicates such.