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ThatRobGuy · Nov 29, 2022

Alyssa Milano traded her Tesla for a VW to protest against Elon Musk

Actress Alyssa Milano used Twitter itself to announce that she swapped her Tesla for an electric Volkswagen to protest against Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Actress Alyssa Milano is embroiled in another controversy after taking to Twitter to reveal she's sold her Tesla in protest at Elon Musk's purchase of the firm.

Seemingly oblivious to the irony of how she announced the news, the motormouth former Charmed star, 49, wrote: 'I gave back my Tesla. I bought the Volkswagen ev.'

'I'm not sure how advertisers can buy space on Twitter. Publicly traded company's products being pushed in alignment with hate and white supremacy doesn't seem to be a winning business model,' she added.

Over the weekend numerous Twitter users mocked her purchase of a Volkswagen by pointing out the historical association between the auto company and Nazi Germany.

VW was established as a German state-owned automobile company in 1937, while the country was under the leadership of Hitler's Nazi Party.

GoldenBoy89 · Nov 29, 2022

Say what you will about the Nazis but they made some pretty good cars. I’ll give them that.

KCfromNC · Nov 30, 2022

I mean, I get the humor of this. But hopefully people can see the difference between taking action (I use that word lightly) against a guy doing something right now versus thinking that buying a car will somehow send money back in time to help Axis powers win world war 2.

ruthiesea · Nov 30, 2022

And Ford was owned by an antisemite. So what’s the point?

essentialsaltes · Nov 30, 2022

I would nominate this as the worst Tu Quoque fallacy of the year, except that it doesn't even work on that level.

Nithavela · Nov 30, 2022

Godwin in the OP. I don't understand why you people are responding.

ThatRobGuy · Nov 30, 2022

KCfromNC said:
I mean, I get the humor of this. But hopefully people can see the difference between taking action (I use that word lightly) against a guy doing something right now versus thinking that buying a car will somehow send money back in time to help Axis powers win world war 2.

But by some of their own rules, isn't it perfectly in the realm of "acceptable" to take action against things/people from the past that aren't currently causing any problems?

If people are going to still justify things like ruining someone's life now for a decades old joke they told, defacing statues of Lincoln, or still getting upset about cities and holidays named after Columbus, shouldn't they be held to their own standards just a bit?

ThatRobGuy · Nov 30, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
I would nominate this as the worst Tu Quoque fallacy of the year, except that it doesn't even work on that level.

I think the meme (in order to be relevant) is contingent on her criticism actually being valid. There are plenty of valid criticisms one could make about Elon Musk, hers wasn't one of them.

Her whole tweet was an attempt to link him to white supremacism and hate. Has he actually espoused either of those values?

Or was she just virtue signaling and parroting back the sentiment of "anyone who doesn't sufficiently censor the other side must be affiliated with white supremacy"?

Nithavela · Nov 30, 2022

ThatRobGuy said:
But by some of their own rules, isn't it perfectly in the realm of "acceptable" to take action against things/people from the past that aren't currently causing any problems?

If people are going to still justify things like ruining someone's life now for a decades old joke they told, defacing statues of Lincoln, or still getting upset about cities and holidays named after Columbus, shouldn't they be held to their own standards just a bit?

How about criticising something that is happening right now?

Is that soon or already too late?

ThatRobGuy · Nov 30, 2022

Nithavela said:
How about criticising something that is happening right now?

Is that soon or already too late?

Why does that rule only get applied one-directionally?

For instance, why is it that certain people can build entire narratives around criticizing things from the distant past that have little to no relevance to present day, but then when they break their own rule, the onus is on the other side to "keep it current otherwise it's irrelevant".

RDKirk · Nov 30, 2022

GoldenBoy89 said:
Say what you will about the Nazis but they made some pretty good cars. I’ll give them that.

Snappy dressers, too.

Nithavela · Nov 30, 2022

ThatRobGuy said:
Why does that rule only get applied one-directionally?

For instance, why is it that certain people can build entire narratives around criticizing things from the distant past that have little to no relevance to present day, but then when they break their own rule, the onus is on the other side to "keep it current otherwise it's irrelevant".

Are we talking about certain people or about Alyssa Milano?

Because your OP seems to be about Milano.

RDKirk · Nov 30, 2022

ruthiesea said:
And Ford was owned by an antisemite. So what’s the point?

Ford was pretty good for black people though. Not only with equal employment very early on, but the Ford Motor Company also fostered black-owned dealerships in the 40s...when GM wouldn't even sell Cadillacs to black people. Ford's reputation among black people was so positive that I was an adult before I learned he was also a rabid anti-semite.

GoldenBoy89 · Nov 30, 2022

RDKirk said:
Snappy dressers, too.

I really feel for Germany sometimes. Such a powerhouse of innovation, art, literature, technology…

but you elect just one bad guy…

RDKirk · Nov 30, 2022

Nithavela said:
Are we talking about certain people or about Alyssa Milano?

Because your OP seems to be about Milano.

Well, specifying Milano by name certainly makes her a "certain person."

Nithavela · Nov 30, 2022

RDKirk said:
Well, specifying Milano by name certainly makes her a "certain person."

Is she part of "them"?

Nithavela · Nov 30, 2022

GoldenBoy89 said:
I really feel for Germany sometimes. Such a powerhouse of innovation, art, literature, technology…

but you elect just one bad guy…

You get used to it. I have long since made peace with the fact that no matter what germany does, someone waves a picture of our current chancellor with a hitler beard because of it.

Desk trauma · Nov 30, 2022

Nithavela said:
Is she part of "them"?

Not them, they.

KCfromNC · Nov 30, 2022

ThatRobGuy said:
But by some of their own rules, isn't it perfectly in the realm of "acceptable" to take action against things/people from the past that aren't currently causing any problems?

I don't know. Who are these they and where can I read their rules?

GoldenBoy89 · Nov 30, 2022

Nithavela said:
You get used to it. I have long since made peace with the fact that no matter what germany does, someone waves a picture of our current chancellor with a hitler beard because of it.

If it’s any consolation, I get it too sometimes just for being Argentinian. Like that’s how bad it is that even countries not involved get skewered over the whole Nazi thing. Then I also get it for being a neocolonialist American.

In any case, I think you guys have come to terms with your past far better than the US has with its sordid history.

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