MJ Only Revelation and the Yom Kippur Temple Service

Yahudim · Nov 27, 2022

Phillip Hawley said:
*SNIP*
The Children of Israel were instructed to take the lamb that they had brought into their homes four days prior and slaughter it, take the blood and mark their respective lentils and door posts with it. Then they were to observe the instruction on how to prepare it, consume it and dispose of it during the hours of Darkness and not to emerge from their places until the coming Light. I'm sure you know where to find this story in scripture. Most of the folks here recall, practice and teach these events every year.

Next we find them back up against an inland sea with only one avenue of escape. Now get this: The Waters were parted and they escaped the army of Pharaoh and watched as they drowned.

Next they were three days into the wilderness and three days without water. According to most survivalist, that is when things get critical. They had come to an oasis but the water was 'bitter' (read: unfit for consumption). So Adonai showed Moses a bush. Remember the 3rd Day of Creation and what bushes and trees produce? Right! Seed! So Moses cast the bush into the water and it was made 'sweet'.
*SNIP*

So I have a question for you all;

The Passover aligns with the 1st Day of Creation and chronologically with the 1st Passover
First Fruits aligns with the 2st Day of Creation and presumably with the 1st occurrence of First Fruits
The 3rd Miracle aligns with the 3rd Day of Creation (thematically), but chronologically, what Appointed Time does the 3rd Miracle of the Exodus align with?

visionary · Nov 28, 2022

Phillip Hawley said:
Hebrew is a very denominative language.

Not sure how I view the whole, "outer temple activities are all performed on earth", assessment. It is after all a replica of the heavenly. But then again, this is a test based on loving obedience. Have to think on that awhile. Definitely a worthy thought though.

visionary · Nov 28, 2022

When it comes to Rev 11 prophecy, the outer temple activities are definitely not in heaven.

visionary · Nov 28, 2022

It is important to remember that in Rev 11, the outer court is not included in the measurement of the temple and those that are inside. This distinction makes sense when you think of all the outer court activities where Yeshua performed the services [our Lamb of God, sacrificed for sin on earth] indicated by the temple outer court services and feasts associated vs those that are performed inside the temple, especially since Yeshua [our High Priest] is performing the closing services to the plan of salvation there. The feasts are a step-by-step process of salvation laid out in enactments performed yearly. The temple services are also a step-by-step process of salvation performed in the outer court, for those things to be fulfilled on earth, to those in the inner court, which Yeshua is performing before our Heavenly Father as our High Priest. The feasts and temple services performed are illustrations of the actual fulfillment in the plan of salvation, laid out and rehearsed by the people, and priests, and on a scheduled time frame. Let's not lose sight of the fact, it all points to the Plan of Salvation.

Yahudim · Nov 29, 2022

Thanks @visionary

Now I understand what you meant.

visionary · Nov 29, 2022

In the prophecy of Daniel, the Prince of Princes is non-other than Yeshua, officiating from the heavenly courts. Meanwhile, the anti-Christ is stopping the "daily sacrifices" on earth. Daily sacrifices are performed at the earthly temple in the outer court. Daily sacrifices are more than the physical performances of old times; they are also spiritual in the heart of the believer who makes those spiritual sacrifices daily in their quest to draw even closer to their Lord and Savior. They are seeking to be more like Him every day. Something that Satan wants to stop.

If Satan can stop people from praying for forgiveness of sins, stop praying to their Heavenly Father, and look elsewhere, he has accomplished the prophecy of stopping the "daily sacrifice." It reminds me of when Satan will come and be the greatest "Imitation of Christ" that the whole world is deceived and follow him. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. If you believe this "Imitation" is Christ and direct all your salvation wishes his way, then Yeshua, our High Priest in heaven, will have less and less reason to minister before His Heavenly Father. His mediating work will be over. He will then move on to the final service for those following Him into the Yom Kippur services.

Revelation 17:8

visionary · Nov 29, 2022

Now before Yom Kippur, you have the Feast of Trumpets where it takes two witnesses to come forth. In Rev 10 I believe the "two" witnesses were called up and what they learned there, changed them from ordinary to extraordinary, not prophets who speak of things to come in some far distant future, but that which they report comes to the past immediately or shortly thereof. That is why they are "witnesses" not prophets. God will not have Yom Kippur come to pass without a great awakening for the world, one last call. Choose this day whom you will serve.

visionary · Nov 29, 2022

Another aspect that needs to occur before Yom Kippur is the Ten Commandments [the tables of stone]. I have not figured out the details, but I believe that for the Lord to hold court and judge the world, the Law needs to be brought forth from which the world will be judged. We know the day of Atonement coincides with Moses coming down the Mount with the tablets. History will repeat itself in that the two witnesses coming back from their Heavenly visitation will experience the same emotions as Moses, to see the calf worshipping of those who profess to worship God. Those witnesses probably saw the Throne of God and the tablets [ark of the covenant], the only object in the Most Holy. What a shocking contrast to what they see and hear upon returning to earth. No wonder they speak with such authority and urgency.

Revelation 11:19
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a severe hailstorm.

Yahudim · Nov 29, 2022

@daq @HARK! @Lulav

Thank you @visionary !! You GET this! And I believe you will GET what I discovered without being led to the well, so to speak. And yes, as the saying goes, "All roads lead to Rome."; figuratively speaking of course. The easiest way I can summarize my understanding of scriptural 'loving obedience' is to illustrate the stark contrast between a literal interpretation of Torah and the dogma of man. The supernatural influence of the Accuser in this regard is stunning to me and I wonder why more people don't see it!

The Seven Miracles of the Exodus reveals a startling contrast to the Seven Appointed Times. I would be ever so grateful to have you all examine them. I need someone to see it for themselves without my having to explain it. Mainly because I don't want to influence your perceptions.

Spoiler Alert: They do not line up chronologically. Please see Post #161.

visionary · Nov 29, 2022

The study of the seven miracles of exodus in contrast to the seven appointed times would be a great study.

Torah Keeper · Nov 29, 2022

Lulav said:
1 Cor
For God is not the author of confusion, .....

Tohu does not mean confusion. Babel is the Hebrew word for confusion. I just wanted to point that out.

Indeed, God is not the author of confusion.

Lulav · Nov 29, 2022

What I can find of the miracles of Exodus are

Passover - saving from death - water to blood --
Burning Bush
Pillars of Fire
Pillar of Cloud
Red Sea parting
Manna
Water turned from bitter to sweet
Water from the rock
Crossing over Jordan on dry land

I'm seeing, Water, Fire and Blood here

Lulav · Nov 29, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
Tohu does not mean confusion. Babel is the Hebrew word for confusion. I just wanted to point that out.

Indeed, God is not the author of confusion.

I think you are confusing it with 'balal' which can mean confusion but morelike 'mixed or mingled as speaking of a language, a non tangible.
I can only find one other usage of that word and it involves the mixing of the oil and flour for offerings.
Derivations of it are linked with anointing (with oil).

Strong's Concordance
tohu: formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness
Original Word: תֹּהוּ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tohu
Phonetic Spelling: (to'-hoo)
Definition: formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness

Tohu on the other hand is used elsewhere in the Tenach speaking of

Meaninglessness
Wastelessness
Desolation
Wilderness
Confusion
Empty place
Vain, vanity
Chaos

Isaiah likes to use this word repeatedly. ( See Isa 24, 29, 34, 40, 41, 44, 45, 49, 59)
34:11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.

Jeremiah uses this word very similarly to Gen 1:2

4:23 – and behold it was formless and void (tohu v’vohu)

Torah Keeper · Nov 29, 2022

Yes, blood, then water, then fire.

Lulav said:
I think you are confusing it with 'balal' which can mean confusion but morelike 'mixed or mingled as speaking of a language, a non tangible.
I can only find one other usage of that word and it involves the mixing of the oil and flour for offerings.
Derivations of it are linked with anointing (with oil).

Strong's Concordance
tohu: formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness
Original Word: תֹּהוּ
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tohu
Phonetic Spelling: (to'-hoo)
Definition: formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness

Tohu on the other hand is used elsewhere in the Tenach speaking of

Meaninglessness

Wastelessness

Desolation

Wilderness

Confusion

Empty place

Vain, vanity

Chaos

Isaiah likes to use this word repeatedly. ( See Isa 24, 29, 34, 40, 41, 44, 45, 49, 59)
34:11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.

Jeremiah uses this word very similarly to Gen 1:2

4:23 – and behold it was formless and void (tohu v’vohu)

I believe Strong's is incorrect here, as also Strong's is incorrect for other definitions. If you believe Strong's is infallible, then, I can't convince you can I?

Genesis 11:9
That is why it was called Babel —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world.

"Confused" is not a possible definition of tohu, especially regarding creation. The world was not "confused" on the first day of creation.

Lulav · Nov 29, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
I believe Strong's is incorrect here, as also Strong's is incorrect for other definitions. If you believe Strong's is infallible, then, I can't convince you can I?

Genesis 11:9
That is why it was called Babel —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world.

"Confused" is not a possible definition of tohu, especially regarding creation. The world was not "confused" on the first day of creation.

Yes, confusion in the sense of Chaos.

Etymology

Hebrew tōhū wā-bhōhū without form and void, from tōhū formlessness, confusion + bōhū emptiness

tohubohu

noun

to·hu·bo·hu ¦tōˌhü¦bōˌhü

: chaos, confusion

I don't tend to go with the Septuagint translation of it either, being 'unseen and unready'.

I don't want to further derail Phil's thread so won't be commenting on further replies on this subject.

daq · Nov 29, 2022

Phillip Hawley said:
So I have a question for you all;

The Passover aligns with the 1st Day of Creation and chronologically with the 1st Passover

First Fruits aligns with the 2st Day of Creation and presumably with the 1st occurrence of First Fruits

The 3rd Miracle aligns with the 3rd Day of Creation (thematically), but chronologically, what Appointed Time does the 3rd Miracle of the Exodus align with?

Phillip Hawley said:
@daq @HARK! @Lulav

Thank you @visionary !! You GET this! And I believe you will GET what I discovered without being led to the well, so to speak. And yes, as the saying goes, "All roads lead to Rome."; figuratively speaking of course. The easiest way I can summarize my understanding of scriptural 'loving obedience' is to illustrate the stark contrast between a literal interpretation of Torah and the dogma of man. The supernatural influence of the Accuser in this regard is stunning to me and I wonder why more people don't see it!

The Seven Miracles of the Exodus reveals a startling contrast to the Seven Appointed Times. I would be ever so grateful to have you all examine them. I need someone to see it for themselves without my having to explain it. Mainly because I don't want to influence your perceptions.

Spoiler Alert: They do not line up chronologically. Please see Post #161.

If by the third miracle you mean Exodus 15:22-27 it appears we do not read it the same way. I understand that passage to be the sacrifice of an Ayil, a strong tree, (the date palm), because of what is said and where they end up, Elim. This is the sacrifice mentioned before Pharaoh when Mosheh demands that he let the people go three days in the wilderness to offer sacrifice. I have posted several explanations of this in several different threads but now I cannot find the forum search feature, (PS: I tried the little magnifying glass symbol in the upper right corner of the page and it keeps telling me there is a server error). PPS: It's working today, (Renewals#4, Controversy#24).

Lulav · Nov 29, 2022

daq said:
I have posted several explanations of this in several different threads but now I cannot find the forum search feature, (PS: I tried the little magnifying glass symbol in the upper right corner of the page and it keeps telling me there is a server error).

I'm getting the same thing.

visionary · Nov 30, 2022

daq said:
If by the third miracle you mean Exodus 15:22-27 it appears we do not read it the same way. I understand that passage to be the sacrifice of an Ayil, a strong tree, (the date palm), because of what is said and where they end up, Elim. This is the sacrifice mentioned before Pharaoh when Mosheh demands that he let the people go three days in the wilderness to offer sacrifice. I have posted several explanations of this in several different threads but now I cannot find the forum search feature, (PS: I tried the little magnifying glass symbol in the upper right corner of the page and it keeps telling me there is a server error).

I experienced the same thing with the forum search feature. .... but it the only method that I use all the time to find other related threads to subject at hand.

Yahudim · Nov 30, 2022

@visionary @Lulav @daq @Torah Keeper

Shalom shalom my Brothers and Sisters

I have already explained my view of 1 Cor 14:33. It MUST be read in context, as is true of all scripture. To apply this to Gen 1:1 is a leap too far in my mind. But let me try once again to put this to rest. Believe what you will. But this has little or nothing to do with what I am trying to show you here. Nonetheless, here is my view of this topic.

In context, 1 Cor 14:33 appears to be instruction on how to 1) behave in the assembly, 2) when to speak in tongues or 3) how to discern false words of prophecy. Look at verses 22-32 to establish the intent of the author.

20 Brothers and sisters, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature.
21 In the Law it is written: “BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME,” says the Lord. (READ: Deuteronomy 28:49; Jeremiah 5:15–17; Jeremiah 6:22–23; Isaiah 5:26–30)
22 So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe.
23 Therefore if the whole church gathers together and all the people speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are insane?
24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all;
25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.

26 What is the outcome then, brothers and sisters? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. All things are to be done for edification.
27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it must be by two or at the most three, and each one in turn, and one is to interpret;
28 but if there is no interpreter, he is to keep silent in church; and have him speak to himself and to God.
29 Have two or three prophets speak, and have the others pass judgment.
30 But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, then the first one is to keep silent.
31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be [l]exhorted;
32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;
33 for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace.

As far as Gen 1:2 is concerned, He also is credited with saying,

Isaiah 45:7, KJV, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
Amos 3:6, “Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?”

Adonai has taken credit for confusing everything from languages to protect us from ourselves, to confusing the enemy to protect us from evil. So, unless HE SAID that someone else was screwing up His work in creation, then I don't get it and I don't care. I am perfectly fine with Him creating all things according to His own purposes. I don't need to read 1 Cor 14:33 into it. Besides, it has nothing to do with what I am trying to show you that I found. So can we PLEASE drop it?

There is a very important point that I should have made clearer concerning the Miracles of the Exodus. I am looking specifically for Light, Water, Seed and Rest in My Father's Word. They occur in patterns of Sevens. These are the signposts that tell me I have found related places.

So yes, Our Creator performed wonders and mighty deeds on His own and in response to Pharaoh. But I am speaking of Our Father's responses to Moses and the Children of Israel as they match the pattern of Seven, the themes from the Days of Creation and are subject to His instruction.

He gave Moses the instructions about the Passover. The actions of Moses and the response of the Children of Israel determined the miraculous salvation and blessings that followed. They remained inside during the time of darkness in a place marked by the Blood of the Lamb. They emerged into the LIGHT. All of this is foundational in discerning the Agent of Adonai's salvation.

Three days later, Adonai gave Moses the instructions about the parting of the WATERS. Moses obeyed and parted the waters with the staff. The Children of Israel obeyed Moses and crossed over in what I can only believe was terrifying circumstances - at night no less. And they were blessed for doing so by the destruction of the army seeking to enslave them.

Three days later, days of hard travel without water in the desert, they came to an oasis with undrinkable water. He gave Moses the instruction about a SEED-bearing bush or tree. Moses obeyed and cast the tree into the bitter waters. The water was made sweet. Whether a date palm or mustard tree is immaterial to the end result. Date palms have SEEDs.

Does any of this make sense to you? Do you see the patterns and themes I do? I hope so.

Be blessed in Him and His Word!

Lulav · Nov 30, 2022

There is a very important point that I should have made clearer concerning the Miracles of the Exodus. I am looking specifically for Light, Water, Seed and Rest in My Father's Word.

Lulav said:
What I can find of the miracles of Exodus are

Passover - saving from death - water to blood --
Burning Bush
Pillars of Fire
Pillar of Cloud
Red Sea parting
Manna
Water turned from bitter to sweet
Water from the rock
Crossing over Jordan on dry land

I'm seeing, Water, Fire and Blood here

Besides, it has nothing to do with what I am trying to show you that I found. So can we PLEASE drop it?

Lulav said:
I don't want to further derail Phil's thread so won't be commenting on further replies on this subject.

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